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Cornrow_Wallis 10-19-2010 06:24 PM
School me on smoking jackets
 
Anyone wear these things anymore? Do they work? If I start wearing one do I get to take over Hugh Hefner's job?

replicant_argent 10-19-2010 06:28 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
fleece lined hoodies are popular, as are Carhartt jackets. Sartorial splendor in the classic sense of the smoking jacket is mostly gone, I think, sir.

markem 10-19-2010 06:28 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
My smoking jacket is a gray hoodie

gijoey959 10-19-2010 06:45 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
My smoking jacket is a can of ZEP smoke odor eliminator

ninjavanish 10-19-2010 06:48 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
A simple Single-Breasted Velvet Blazer gets the trick done with style. It's not merely enough to wear something that keeps you warm. (Would you merely smoke something that you could catch on fire!?!?! NO!)

The idea of a smoking jacket is almost as important as the function of it... if not more!

The Importance of Being Earnest gives a nice idea of how important this article of clothing is.

"[Lane presents several letters on a salver to Algernon. It is to be surmised that they are bills, as Algernon, after looking at the envelopes, tears them up.]

Algernon: A glass of sherry, Lane.

Lane: Yes, sir.

Algernon: To-morrow, Lane, I’m going Bunburying.

Lane: Yes, sir.

Algernon: I shall probably not be back till Monday. You can put up my dress clothes, my smoking jacket, and all the Bunbury suits . . .

Lane: Yes, sir. [Handing sherry.]"


It comes between Nice Dress Clothes and Suits...

I know I know... to each his own. I'm not knocking the hoodies... but I'm also saying... Bah. Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

gijoey959 10-19-2010 06:52 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
O.o this makes me want a smoking jacket

Bill86 10-19-2010 07:06 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gijoey959 (Post 1029394)
O.o this makes me want a smoking jacket
This.

Patrick B 10-19-2010 07:11 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
I wish I could find an old one that fit. I'd wear it to every herf.

ninjavanish 10-19-2010 07:20 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick B (Post 1029418)
I wish I could find an old one that fit. I'd wear it to every herf.
How do you think old ones become old? they are bought new and worn into submission!

Lumpold 10-19-2010 07:26 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick B (Post 1029418)
I wish I could find an old one that fit. I'd wear it to every herf.
one word... EBAY! Should you not like the idea of this, three words... vintage clothes shop! (if you location is correct... click here for google's take on vintage clothes shops near you!)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjavanish (Post 1029436)
How do you think old ones become old? they are bought new and worn into submission!
This man is quite correct...

DocLogic77 10-19-2010 07:27 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
The smoking jacket: like the cigar itself, it's a timeless emblem of leisure, idleness, "the good life." First widely worn in England during the Victorian period, the smoking jacket has undergone a bit of a resurgence in recent years, as younger consumers turn to it - as they have to, again, the cigar - for a touch of old-fashioned elegance.

Though the term is sometimes used to mean "any old jacket you do most of your smoking in," a proper smoking jacket is a considerably more formal affair. Typically, they're made from velvet or silk of a rich color - not a plain black but, perhaps, bottle green, dark blue, or claret red. A classic smoking jacket features a shawl collar, turned-up cuffs, rich colors (burgundy and green, bottle green, dark blue, claret).

They're ventless, and come in either coat-shaped or sashed form. Coat-shaped smoking jackets can be single-breasted with shawl lapels, or double-breasted with braided closures - usually called, no kidding, "frogs."

We don't know precisely who was the first to wear one, but many sartorial historians trace the smoking jacket back to the same moment in history that brought smoking to the West - the beginning of the sixteenth century, when trade opened up between England and the countries then known to Europeans as the Far East, especially Turkey and India. (It was, of course, this same trade, along with tobacco farming in the New World, that introduced the English to tobacco.)

Silk and velvet robes de chambre, designed for indoor wear by a wealthy and leisured minority, made a great status symbol and comfortable daywear. This fashion development was so intimately bound up with trade and colonialism that when famous seventeenth-century diarist Samuel Pepys rented one to sit for his portrait, he refers to it, in his journal entry for that day, as an "Indian gown."

During the Crimean War (1853-1856) Turkish tobacco - the lusty, semi-sweet, full-flavored tobacco that makes Middle Eastern travel such a joy for the nonallergic - was made generally available to Europeans for the first time, and smoking swept England, becoming as universal a pastime for Victorian gentlemen as cricket and grouse-hunting.

But these Victorian gentlemen worried that their new hobby posed certain problems for the Victorian lady - who was generally imagined as an infinitely delicate creature barely hardy enough to breathe on her own. (Ironically, this assumption was most widespread at the very moment when industrialism, combined with barbaric social policy and the popularity of social-Darwinist ideas that forbade charity to the poor, forced many working-class Englishwomen not only to work while pregnant but to actually give birth on the factory floor.)

Tobacco, these gentlemen reasoned, has a strong scent, perhaps offensive to the nostrils of proper ladies. Therefore, well-equipped Victorian homes began sporting smoking rooms, parlors designed specifically for masculine inhalation and conversation. That kept the fumes out of the lady's boudoir, but what about the smell?

As even casual smokers know, the odor of tobacco settles on furniture, hair, clothes - it's impossible to segregate. "Indian gowns," now rechristened and repurposed as "smoking jackets," came to the rescue - along with caps, slippers, even waistcoats specially designed for smoking. The entry for "smoking jacket" first turns up in Cunningham's Handbook of English Costume, a standard reference, in 1852 - the beginning of a long love affair between the smoker and his (always his) jacket.

In the twentieth century, as dress became less an art form (with an entire wardrobe for every occasion) than a matter of convenience, and as tobacco went from being a social ritual to a private addiction, the smoking jacket disappeared along with the occasion that gave rise to it, relegated to old movies and certain flamboyant TV personalities (Liberace, Hugh Hefner).

During the 1990s, though, an overstressed, overdriven American workforce began turning to such old-fashioned pleasures as the coffee house, the tea room, and the fine-tobacco store to restore a sense of specialness and ritual to the pressure-chamber of postmodern life. Smoking jackets, like smoking, made a comeback. Today they're considered a perfect alternative for social occasions when a suit-and-sweater won't do but a tuxedo's too formal. They're more distinctive than dinner jackets, and their rich colors and romantic connotations make them perfect for entertaining. Women are turning to them, too, as a form of brisk-weather outerwear.

http://www.content4reprint.com/beaut...modern-day.htm

http://www.nextag.com/Men-S-Velvet-A...5222A9AEE57663

Patrick B 10-19-2010 07:27 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
I've been checking ebay for months. People were skinnier 75 years ago. I'd need a 2xl most likely. I'll call some vintage shops, thanks for the link!

Wharf Rat 10-19-2010 07:31 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/200605A40.html

markem 10-19-2010 07:32 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick B (Post 1029453)
I've been checking ebay for months. People were skinnier 75 years ago. I'd need a 2xl most likely. I'll call some vintage shops, thanks for the link!
http://www.ninedeep.com/index.php?cP...3acc30e89dba37

The new style isn't exactly the old style

ninjavanish 10-19-2010 07:59 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocLogic77 (Post 1029452)
The smoking jacket: like the cigar itself, it's a timeless emblem of leisure, idleness, "the good life." First widely worn in England during the Victorian period, the smoking jacket has undergone a bit of a resurgence in recent years, as younger consumers turn to it - as they have to, again, the cigar - for a touch of old-fashioned elegance.

Though the term is sometimes used to mean "any old jacket you do most of your smoking in," a proper smoking jacket is a considerably more formal affair. Typically, they're made from velvet or silk of a rich color - not a plain black but, perhaps, bottle green, dark blue, or claret red. A classic smoking jacket features a shawl collar, turned-up cuffs, rich colors (burgundy and green, bottle green, dark blue, claret).

They're ventless, and come in either coat-shaped or sashed form. Coat-shaped smoking jackets can be single-breasted with shawl lapels, or double-breasted with braided closures - usually called, no kidding, "frogs."

We don't know precisely who was the first to wear one, but many sartorial historians trace the smoking jacket back to the same moment in history that brought smoking to the West - the beginning of the sixteenth century, when trade opened up between England and the countries then known to Europeans as the Far East, especially Turkey and India. (It was, of course, this same trade, along with tobacco farming in the New World, that introduced the English to tobacco.)

Silk and velvet robes de chambre, designed for indoor wear by a wealthy and leisured minority, made a great status symbol and comfortable daywear. This fashion development was so intimately bound up with trade and colonialism that when famous seventeenth-century diarist Samuel Pepys rented one to sit for his portrait, he refers to it, in his journal entry for that day, as an "Indian gown."

During the Crimean War (1853-1856) Turkish tobacco - the lusty, semi-sweet, full-flavored tobacco that makes Middle Eastern travel such a joy for the nonallergic - was made generally available to Europeans for the first time, and smoking swept England, becoming as universal a pastime for Victorian gentlemen as cricket and grouse-hunting.

But these Victorian gentlemen worried that their new hobby posed certain problems for the Victorian lady - who was generally imagined as an infinitely delicate creature barely hardy enough to breathe on her own. (Ironically, this assumption was most widespread at the very moment when industrialism, combined with barbaric social policy and the popularity of social-Darwinist ideas that forbade charity to the poor, forced many working-class Englishwomen not only to work while pregnant but to actually give birth on the factory floor.)

Tobacco, these gentlemen reasoned, has a strong scent, perhaps offensive to the nostrils of proper ladies. Therefore, well-equipped Victorian homes began sporting smoking rooms, parlors designed specifically for masculine inhalation and conversation. That kept the fumes out of the lady's boudoir, but what about the smell?

As even casual smokers know, the odor of tobacco settles on furniture, hair, clothes - it's impossible to segregate. "Indian gowns," now rechristened and repurposed as "smoking jackets," came to the rescue - along with caps, slippers, even waistcoats specially designed for smoking. The entry for "smoking jacket" first turns up in Cunningham's Handbook of English Costume, a standard reference, in 1852 - the beginning of a long love affair between the smoker and his (always his) jacket.

In the twentieth century, as dress became less an art form (with an entire wardrobe for every occasion) than a matter of convenience, and as tobacco went from being a social ritual to a private addiction, the smoking jacket disappeared along with the occasion that gave rise to it, relegated to old movies and certain flamboyant TV personalities (Liberace, Hugh Hefner).

During the 1990s, though, an overstressed, overdriven American workforce began turning to such old-fashioned pleasures as the coffee house, the tea room, and the fine-tobacco store to restore a sense of specialness and ritual to the pressure-chamber of postmodern life. Smoking jackets, like smoking, made a comeback. Today they're considered a perfect alternative for social occasions when a suit-and-sweater won't do but a tuxedo's too formal. They're more distinctive than dinner jackets, and their rich colors and romantic connotations make them perfect for entertaining. Women are turning to them, too, as a form of brisk-weather outerwear.

http://www.content4reprint.com/beaut...modern-day.htm

http://www.nextag.com/Men-S-Velvet-A...5222A9AEE57663
Wow. That was a freakin history lesson. Very interesting though... at least to me. I really enjoy a lot of the old English traditions. It's just so rich and thick... steeped in history. Timeless!

DocLogic77 10-19-2010 08:05 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
If you ask me smoking jackets are a corny cool. I actually like them but it would take some serious balls to wear one to a herf. :)

gorob23 10-19-2010 08:12 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocLogic77 (Post 1029507)
If you ask me smoking jackets are a corny cool. I actually like them but it would take some serious balls to wear one to a herf. :)
You should meet my friend Long Hung ... no really you should :=:

Rob :tpd:

T.G 10-19-2010 08:40 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
After what happened to DA Burr once Johnny gave him that smoking jacket while he was drinking that beer, I just don't know if I could wear one. What a way to go out... trampled... eeehh... *shudder*

mariogolbee 10-19-2010 08:55 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
I've been wanting one for a while now.

CasaDooley 10-20-2010 01:07 AM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
I want this one. :ss
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...y/afgomez1.jpg

RRocket 10-20-2010 01:07 AM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
I actually have a few of them. I have one from the 50s waist length (brocade, real wool fleece lined similar to the one in the picture above)) one from the 60s waist length (looks like something from Sgt. Peppers album) one from the 70-80s full length (silk) and one a bit newer...cotton full length, fake fleece lined. I'll try and get some pics up. The full length silk is great in the summer...especially with nothing on underneath. Feels great on the skin. The 50s is great for outside, cool weather. It is rather gaudy. The 60s one is CRAZY. I'm not sure if it has palm leaf pattern on it, or pot leaf pattern on it. It also has dangly tassles on the button holes. I never wear it..just a great conversation piece.

I do want a black or brown velvet one to complete my "set".

Wife's sister is a fashion designer...both asian. So they have an "eye" for these types of things.

mariogolbee 10-20-2010 09:37 AM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RRocket (Post 1029732)
I actually have a few of them. I have one from the 50s waist length (brocade, real wool fleece lined similar to the one in the picture above)) one from the 60s waist length (looks like something from Sgt. Peppers album) one from the 70-80s full length (silk) and one a bit newer...cotton full length, fake fleece lined. I'll try and get some pics up. The full length silk is great in the summer...especially with nothing on underneath. Feels great on the skin. The 50s is great for outside, cool weather. It is rather gaudy. The 60s one is CRAZY. I'm not sure if it has palm leaf pattern on it, or pot leaf pattern on it. It also has dangly tassles on the button holes. I never wear it..just a great conversation piece.

I do want a black or brown velvet one to complete my "set".

Wife's sister is a fashion designer...both asian. So they have an "eye" for these types of things.
:banger

Lumpold 10-20-2010 10:09 AM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RRocket (Post 1029732)
Wife's sister is a fashion designer...both asian. So they have an "eye" for these types of things.
Did anyone else think 'custom designed CA smoking jacket?' when they saw this?

GreekGodX 10-20-2010 10:18 AM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumpold (Post 1030080)
Did anyone else think 'custom designed CA smoking jacket?' when they saw this?
Well first I thought if his wife's sister is asian, I sure hope his wife is asian too. Then I thought of how much I'd like to meet his wife's sister. THEN I thought about the custom smoking jacket :ss

Powers 10-20-2010 10:33 AM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
I know I'd sure like to have one. Not just as a cigar smoker but a history nerd as well!

Eleven 10-20-2010 11:07 AM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumpold (Post 1030080)
did anyone else think 'custom designed ca smoking jacket?' when they saw this?
group buy!

wayner123 10-20-2010 11:08 AM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
I have never seen one in person before, but I assume it has a long tradition. The coolest one I saw was from a B&M in NYC. It was an older Fire Department Jacket (the kind with relflection cloth, that firefighters wear).

shilala 10-20-2010 11:25 AM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
I want a smoking jacket and a pan flute. Then I'm going to make everyone call me Zamfir. Except in the evening, in which case it will be proper to call me Loretta.

mariogolbee 10-20-2010 11:26 AM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumpold (Post 1030080)
Did anyone else think 'custom designed CA smoking jacket?' when they saw this?
Quote:
Originally Posted by UFPowersmoker320 (Post 1030104)
I know I'd sure like to have one. Not just as a cigar smoker but a history nerd as well!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleven (Post 1030165)
group buy!
:tu:banger

gvarsity 10-20-2010 12:28 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/search...oking%20jacket

Still available to the rich and powerful. There is one available on new york craigslist for only 750$.

waffle 10-20-2010 01:16 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Seriously, this may be my next purchase!

Patrick B 10-20-2010 01:18 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
$200, though. I want one for about $5.

waffle 10-20-2010 01:21 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick B (Post 1030337)
$200, though. I want one for about $5.
I'm hitting up the local Goodwill on the way home tonight... if I see anything promising I'll give you a buzz.

Brian D. 10-20-2010 01:37 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick B (Post 1029453)
I've been checking ebay for months. People were skinnier 75 years ago. I'd need a 2xl most likely. I'll call some vintage shops, thanks for the link!

Elderboy02 says he gets his smoking jackets here:

http://www.gettent.com/catalog.pdf

Wolfgang 10-20-2010 02:04 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Check out good will. They have fantastic jackets.

Ive got a green plaid wool jacket with leather elbows that I love to death and only paid 25c

Nefari0us 10-20-2010 02:59 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
I think a CA smoking jacket would be rather cool. I have a smoking jacket of the robe type that I wear in the house as I think I'd look like Hef if I were to wear it out. I want to get one of the blazer style ones when I get some money that isn't dedicated to box purchases

RRocket 10-20-2010 06:31 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick B (Post 1030337)
$200, though. I want one for about $5.
Search Ebay under Vintage Smoking Jacket and see what turns up....

RRocket 10-20-2010 06:32 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nefari0us (Post 1030487)
I think a CA smoking jacket would be rather cool. I have a smoking jacket of the robe type that I wear in the house as I think I'd look like Hef if I were to wear it out. I want to get one of the blazer style ones when I get some money that isn't dedicated to box purchases

Ok...I've just contacted my better smelling half to put the feeler out to her sister to see if it's possible to do CA jackets.

Bear in mind, these will each be individually handmade, so I'm not sure of cost.

TheDudeAbides 10-20-2010 06:52 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Got mine free from Black & Mild, I think the promo is over..... but still classy t-shirt.
http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/a...ket-tshirt.jpg
-Dude
{Owns a Tuxedo t-shirt, too}

Powers 10-20-2010 06:58 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides (Post 1030844)
Got mine free from Black & Mild, I think the promo is over..... but still classy t-shirt.
http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/a...ket-tshirt.jpg
-Dude
{Owns a Tuxedo t-shirt, too}
:r

Nefari0us 10-20-2010 07:26 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RRocket (Post 1030807)
Ok...I've just contacted my better smelling half to put the feeler out to her sister to see if it's possible to do CA jackets.

Bear in mind, these will each be individually handmade, so I'm not sure of cost.
Awesome, keep me posted

Nefari0us 10-20-2010 07:28 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
We need a matching CA fez :banger

Superbad 10-20-2010 08:21 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
I would so be all over a CA fez and smoking jacket. http://www.fez-o-rama.com/ make great Fezzes. They do them for groups all the time.

kaisersozei 10-21-2010 08:30 AM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocLogic77 (Post 1029452)
Therefore, well-equipped Victorian homes began sporting smoking rooms, parlors designed specifically for masculine inhalation and conversation.
This is my favorite line in the whole piece.

I'd love to see a B&M adopt it as a slogan: "New Cigar Shop--a parlor for masculine inhalation & conversation" :D

rizzle 10-21-2010 10:05 AM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superbad (Post 1031036)
I would so be all over a CA fez and smoking jacket. http://www.fez-o-rama.com/ make great Fezzes. They do them for groups all the time.
I'd wear a smoking jacket, but I'm drawing the line on a fez.

:su

Nefari0us 10-21-2010 01:18 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rizzle (Post 1031663)
I'd wear a smoking jacket, but I'm drawing the line on a fez.

:su
Oh C'mon, all the cool organizations have there own fez's... It'll be sweet :noon

shilala 10-21-2010 01:27 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
I scored myself a smoking jacket, and to one up you guys, I hired a dwarf to tear my toilet paper for me this weekend. :tu

Nefari0us 10-21-2010 01:33 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1031989)
I scored myself a smoking jacket, and to one up you guys, I hired a dwarf to tear my toilet paper for me this weekend. :tu
I want one!!! where could I hire such a dwarf?

kaisersozei 10-21-2010 01:38 PM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1031989)
I scored myself a smoking jacket, and to one up you guys, I hired a dwarf to tear my toilet paper for me this weekend. :tu
Sure it wasn't a midget? Or a pygmy? How can you tell?

Beklage 10-22-2010 11:11 AM
Re: School me on smoking jackets
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by markem (Post 1029463)
http://www.ninedeep.com/index.php?cP...3acc30e89dba37

The new style isn't exactly the old style
Those are epic robes!


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