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Mugen910 04-24-2010 01:14 PM

Is it odd?
 
1). Would it be odd if I showed up to herfs with my cigars precut? Even if I don't smoke them all? That also brings up another question about storage.

2). Does it effect the cigar in any way to have been cut and then rested for months, maybe even years? I am still new to this cigar stuff so I was just curious.

TIA
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awsmith4 04-24-2010 01:22 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
I would find that the least odd thing about you :D

leasingthisspace 04-24-2010 01:37 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Me too.
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DPD6030 04-24-2010 01:39 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Well it sure would save time for you to not have to cut the stick. I would not find it strange.

Storage wise I wouldn't think it would matter much. It may soak up/ release more humidity as it now has two open ends but as long as it's near constant I don't think that would be a problem. But, what do I know :confused:

tomc3084 04-24-2010 02:04 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
I do not think it's odd for someone to show up to a herf with pre-cut smokes, not at all whatsoever....and as far as storing them cut, I have had a problem with this...I did this once and it was cedar wrapped...long story short it tasted like cedar when I was smoking it. I am not talking hints of cedar I am saying it tasted like I was smoking a cedar cigar. Then again it was a Gurkha:r

Don Fernando 04-24-2010 02:22 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 838367)
1). Would it be odd if I showed up to herfs

Yes!

GKitty 04-24-2010 02:40 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by awsmith4 (Post 838375)
I would find that the least odd thing about you :D

:tpd:

massphatness 04-24-2010 02:52 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
I'm more curious as to why you would employ this methodology.

sikk50 04-24-2010 03:26 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
I'm willing to bet you bought a new cutter and got a little bored...am I right?

:r

kelmac07 04-24-2010 03:29 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by massphatness (Post 838441)
I'm more curious as to why you would employ this methodology.

I'm with Vin on this. :D

G G 04-24-2010 03:39 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
yes:r

NCRadioMan 04-24-2010 03:41 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 838367)
1). Would it be odd if I showed up to herfs with my cigars precut? Even if I don't smoke them all? That also brings up another question about storage.

2). Does it effect the cigar in any way to have been cut and then rested for months, maybe even years? I am still new to this cigar stuff so I was just curious.

TIA
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1. It doesn't matter. They are yours, you can do whatever you want to with them.

2. Again, it doesn't matter.

RevSmoke 04-24-2010 03:59 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
1. I don't think it matters.

2. It may not matter, but I think that there might be the issue of the fact that the cap ultimately holds the whole cigar together. But, it may not matter.

Let us know how the experiment works out.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

bobarian 04-24-2010 04:08 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Nice review. :banger

cort 04-24-2010 05:16 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Do you leave the cello on or take it off?

icehog3 04-24-2010 05:51 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 838367)
2). Does it effect the cigar in any way to have been cut and then rested for months, maybe even years? I am still new to this cigar stuff so I was just curious.

Some use this method to try to get tight cigars to open up, Bao.

NeuRon 04-24-2010 06:15 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 838545)
Some use this method to try to get tight cigars to open up, Bao.

I have heard this as well, unfortunately im not sure if it actually works.. Good question..

I will join you at the podium though, as i have a fetish of testing draws on random cigars in my humidors, so i might have random cigars that are cut..

Nothing to be self conscious about; its all in the name of science, lol..



FWIW...... ive found myself bringing 2-3 cigars to the cigar lounge, and sometimes snipping them before i get to the lounge, as i dont want to get to the lounge and have a cigar thats plugged to sh*t!. Ya kno?

Mark 04-24-2010 07:11 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
I learned from James Suckling and my friends at that most illustrious magazine that you shouldn't cut the cigar until after you have lit it, because this way you look like more of an @sshole.

Oh wait, maybe it was something about sulfur. Either way, if you want to have friends, it doesn't really matter. If you want to hang with Suckling, well then we have bigger problems :r

md4958 04-24-2010 07:11 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leasingthisspace (Post 838390)
Me too.
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Fernando (Post 838427)
Yes!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GKitty (Post 838434)
:tpd:

I find it hilarious how well everybody knows you :r:r

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 838367)
I am still new to this cigar stuff so I was just curious

:bs

I think the only drawback to this is that the cigars MAY unravel in your humidor.

Cigary 04-24-2010 08:33 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark (Post 838598)
I learned from James Suckling and my friends at that most illustrious magazine that you shouldn't cut the cigar until after you have lit it, because this way you look like more of an @sshole.

Oh wait, maybe it was something about sulfur. Either way, if you want to have friends, it doesn't really matter. If you want to hang with Suckling, well then we have bigger problems :r

Friggin hilarious. I heard someone say the same thing about lighting the cigar before you cut it and this has to be the same place I read it from.:r

MajorCaptSilly 04-24-2010 10:14 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
I will answer your question but only if you answer mine first:

Do you like me?

___ Yes

___ No


Your biggest fan,

MCS

Texan in Mexico 04-25-2010 10:00 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark (Post 838598)
I learned from James Suckling and my friends at that most illustrious magazine that you shouldn't cut the cigar until after you have lit it, because this way you look like more of an @sshole.

Oh wait, maybe it was something about sulfur. Either way, if you want to have friends, it doesn't really matter. If you want to hang with Suckling, well then we have bigger problems :r

I heard this a while back at another Forum that is currently off-line and have tried it - honestly this doesnt affect if I am an arse or not, my gf says I am at times - it is kind of fun as I really enjoy this part of the ritual, focussing so much on the cigar really helps me enjoy it and block out everything else, I do not do it often but it is fun for me...

As for your questions buddy -

1). No effect IMHO, as long as you take off your white gloves and the bands no one will think the lesser

2). I would be interested to see if this increases wrapper issues

Signed your No. 2 fan - Travis

RGD. 04-25-2010 10:10 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
If I am going out and taking just a 3 or 4 finger case - I routinely pre-cut my cigars. That way I don't have to carry a cutter also. I also pre-cut some that I keep in the box in my truck. Saves from having to cut while driving. So no, I don't find it odd at all.


Ron

alwayslit 04-25-2010 10:21 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sikk50 (Post 838461)
I'm willing to bet you bought a new cutter and got a little bored...am I right?

:r

.......LOL, Nothing wrong with it but you might have issues trading them later.

cort 04-25-2010 10:33 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
What's more odd is that Bao smokes on his roof:confused:

icehog3 04-25-2010 10:39 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cort (Post 839064)
What's more odd is that Bao smokes on his roof:confused:

What's even odder than that is your Avatar, Gary. :r

cort 04-25-2010 10:40 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 839077)
What's even odder than that is your Avatar, Gary. :r

Touche':r

You know you laugh every time you see it.

gnukfu 04-25-2010 10:43 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by massphatness (Post 838441)
I'm more curious as to why you would employ this methodology.

After my experiences with Bao at herfs, probably to check the draw so he doesn't bring cigars that are constructed like tree branches!!!

As far as precutting - I don't see why it would matter - if you decided to prelight them that would be a different story.

sikk50 04-25-2010 12:32 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MajorCaptSilly (Post 838722)
I will answer your question but only if you answer mine first:

Do you like me?

_X_ Yes

___ No


Your biggest fan,

MCS

:tu

Skywalker 04-25-2010 02:12 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Not strange at all.

However, if you start doing pre-draws and pass them out at Herfs, then that would be odd!!!
:D

Mugen910 04-25-2010 02:33 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
You are all a bunch of jokers aren't cha?

1) I had a cigar that from initial draw was way to tight so I just threw it back into the humi for months (1-2). Totally fixed any draw issues it had.

1.5) Maybe if I precut all my cigars, I'll never have draw issues.

2) I was curious if, besides shaving seconds away from me enjoying the cigar, that maybe the flavor changes somehow with having no end cap.

c) You're all a bunch of pecka heads!!:D

Texan in Mexico 04-25-2010 08:46 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/p...urke45/WWP.jpg

c) You're all a bunch of pecka heads!!:D[/quote]

However I have always considered myslef more of a Dog -

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/p...5/Underdog.jpg

pnoon 04-25-2010 08:57 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 839077)
What's even odder than that is your Avatar, Gary. :r

It's o.k., Tom. Darrell gave him permission to use his picture.

cort 04-25-2010 09:20 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 839597)
It's o.k., Tom. Darrell gave him permission to use his picture.

indudabely:banger

wolfandwhisky 04-25-2010 09:25 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cort (Post 839081)
Touche':r

You know you laugh every time you see it.

indeed :tu

sikk50 04-25-2010 09:49 PM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 839597)
It's o.k., Tom. Darrell gave him permission to use his picture.

:r

Nurse_Maduro 04-26-2010 08:40 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark (Post 838598)
I learned from James Suckling and my friends at that most illustrious magazine that you shouldn't cut the cigar until after you have lit it, because this way you look like more of an @sshole.

Wait, what?


lol

wayner123 04-26-2010 08:50 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 839248)
You are all a bunch of jokers aren't cha?

1) I had a cigar that from initial draw was way to tight so I just threw it back into the humi for months (1-2). Totally fixed any draw issues it had.

1.5) Maybe if I precut all my cigars, I'll never have draw issues.

2) I was curious if, besides shaving seconds away from me enjoying the cigar, that maybe the flavor changes somehow with having no end cap.

c) You're all a bunch of pecka heads!!:D

Do you have an idea on why that may be?

Mugen910 04-26-2010 08:58 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wayner123 (Post 840035)
Do you have an idea on why that may be?

nope that's why I am asking.

PeteSB75 04-26-2010 09:02 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Stop buying cigars with trees wrapped inside and you will be fine :2

I do the same thing. If it's a cheapie, or if the draw worsens during smoking, I will use the draw tool. Otherwise, it just goes back in for a month or two. I generally smoke those ones myself though, instead of handing them out.

icehog3 04-26-2010 10:34 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 839248)
1) I had a cigar that from initial draw was way to tight so I just threw it back into the humi for months (1-2). Totally fixed any draw issues it had.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayner123 (Post 840035)
Do you have an idea on why that may be?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 840043)
nope that's why I am asking.

I don't know "why" either, but I have had the same experience that Bao did.

Mugen910 04-26-2010 10:38 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 840161)
I don't know "why" either, but I have had the same experience that Bao did.

you're suppose to have the "omniscient point-of-view", Tom!

icehog3 04-26-2010 10:53 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 840166)
you're suppose to have the "omniscient point-of-view", Tom!

Nah, I have as much to learn as anybody and more to learn than some. :)

wayner123 04-26-2010 11:07 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 840043)
nope that's why I am asking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayner123 (Post 840035)
Do you have an idea on why that may be?

Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 840161)
I don't know "why" either, but I have had the same experience that Bao did.

Well the popular belief is that if you have a "plugged" cigar you keep it in a dry box to help with any "plugs". But in this thread I looked at the issue of a wetter cigar might be able to produce less "plugs".

Whether your single experiment proves that point, I doubt it. But it does lend to the notion of a higher RH is not a bad thing like many have said before.

icehog3 04-26-2010 11:15 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wayner123 (Post 840212)
Well the popular belief is that if you have a "plugged" cigar you keep it in a dry box to help with any "plugs". But in this thread I looked at the issue of a wetter cigar might be able to produce less "plugs".

Whether your single experiment proves that point, I doubt it. But it does lend to the notion of a higher RH is not a bad thing like many have said before.

I am missing the correlation here, Wayne.

I never dryboxed the cigars I speak of, just cut them and found them to seem to have a very tight draw. Put them back in the humi at the same RH they had been stored previously, and let them sit a few months. So the RH was never higher, or lower, always the same. How does that "lend to the notion of a higher RH is not a bad thing"? It seems to me to be irrelevant in this situation.

Mugen910 04-26-2010 11:21 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 840221)
I am missing the correlation here, Wayne.

I never dryboxed the cigars I speak of, just cut them and found them to seem to have a very tight draw. Put them back in the humi at the same RH they had been stored previously, and let them sit a few months. So the RH was never higher, or lower, always the same. How does that "lend to the notion of a higher RH is not a bad thing"? It seems to me to be irrelevant in this situation.

:tpd:

I'm too lazy to have something separate from my vino. I mean I even throw my humis in there so I know where everything is. I've never dryboxed cigars but why is it that cutting off the end and letting it sit sends the cigar pixies in and fixed the plugs?

wayner123 04-26-2010 11:22 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 840221)
I am missing the correlation here, Wayne.

I never dryboxed the cigars I speak of, just cut them and found them to seem to have a very tight draw. Put them back in the humi at the same RH they had been stored previously, and let them sit a few months. So the RH was never higher, or lower, always the same. How does that "lend to the notion of a higher RH is not a bad thing"? It seems to me to be irrelevant in this situation.

Because more of the cigar is affected by the RH. The cap, while not airtight, does provide some insulation to the cigar's filler. So by allowing more humidity into the cigar it swells and thus "unplugs" the cigar.

*disclaimer - I am not saying this is fact or some magical effect. I am just stating what happens and what the outcome might be.

icehog3 04-26-2010 11:30 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wayner123 (Post 840233)
Because more of the cigar is affected by the RH. The cap, while not airtight, does provide some insulation to the cigar's filler. So by allowing more humidity into the cigar it swells and thus "unplugs" the cigar.

So you are saying that my cigars, humidifed at 62%, actually reach a higher RH than 62% in the same environment when the cap is cut? Or that perhaps my cigars are not reaching that 62% when the caps are on in a 62% enviroment?

I am not sure I would agree with that, but like you, I am no scientist.

wayner123 04-26-2010 11:38 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 840238)
So you are saying that my cigars, humidifed at 62%, actually reach a higher RH than 62% in the same environment when the cap is cut? Or that perhaps my cigars are not reaching that 62% when the caps are on in a 62% enviroment?

I am not sure I would agree with that, but like you, I am no scientist.

The latter.

In that thread we looked at wetting cigars and how much of the water reached the filler due to absorbtion. The conclusion was it didn't reach the filler at all, or was so small it couldn't be quantified. So based on that info, you "could" say that the filler of a cigar is not at 62%, but through experience you have come to like the way your cigars smoke at 62%. Have you tried bumping your cigars up to say 70% for a few months and see if you like them? Or have less plug issues? It might be a worthwhile experiment.

So my understanding is that by allowing the humidity to come into more contact with the filler, you are raising the inside of the cigar's RH.

GKitty 04-26-2010 11:40 AM

Re: Is it odd?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 840230)
I've never dryboxed cigars but why is it that cutting off the end and letting it sit sends the cigar pixies in and fixed the plugs?


There are pixies in my cigars?!? Does freezing get rid of them like it does beetles? Is plume really cigar-pixie dust? OMG PIXIES IN MY HUMI!!!!

;s

On a serious note, I think that letting a cigar rest after being cut allows an ever so slight loosening of the wrapper which improves the draw. When talking about airflow, even the smallest change can make a vast improvement.


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