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RazzBarlow 02-21-2010 01:05 PM

Razz's Humidity Beads Project
 
Those that know me know that I'm somewhat of a geek. Anything technological or scientific instantly grabs my attention. I'm a freak for Mythbusters and shows like it. For that reason, humidity beads fascinated me from the first time I heard about them.

I decided to make my own humidity beads. The concept is simple...most salts have a "saturation point". That's why a salt test for our hygrometers works. Sodium Chloride (common table salt) has a saturation point equal to 75% Relative Humidity. If 75% rH were the ideal storage humidity for our cigars, we wouldn't have any problem at all. We would just keep a salt tray in our humidors and maintain the perfect humidity. (salty cigars being a completely seperate issue)

Like I said, the concept is simple. The execution is not simple. I've spent weeks researching and experimenting with different formulas and application methods. (The Merck Index has been light reading for me lately)

I've finally come up with a combination that appears to work how I want it to.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...7/100_1065.jpg

It's only been 24 hours, but so far they are maintaining rH perfectly. I put 8 oz in a sealed container along with a salt-tested hygrometer to monitor the results.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...7/100_1064.jpg

I will continue to post the results as I monitor them. I am excited at this new project. Before anyone asks....Yes, I will be offering them for sale once I know they work the way I want them to. (I'm a perfectionist) But I don't want to put that info in this thread out of respect for the board members and administrators. When the time comes, I'll start a sale thread for them.

cort 02-21-2010 01:14 PM

Re: Razz's Humidity Beads Project
 
Good luck with the project Marshall. Those look just like Heartfelt Beads

MarkinAZ 02-21-2010 01:36 PM

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Nice! Keep us posted on the project Marshall...

Cigary 02-21-2010 05:51 PM

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WTG Marshall. I will be interested in pricing this out after its a complete success.

Smokin Gator 02-21-2010 05:54 PM

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Very cool!!

MrOneEyedBoh 02-21-2010 06:10 PM

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Yeah interested if all goes well.

Kreth 02-21-2010 06:26 PM

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Looking for beta testers? :)
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guado 02-22-2010 06:42 AM

Re: Razz's Humidity Beads Project
 
Very nice! Looking forward to the progress...

Emjaysmash 02-22-2010 06:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kreth (Post 767466)
Looking for beta testers? :)
Posted via Mobile Device

:tpd:

LOL

RazzBarlow 02-22-2010 07:21 AM

Re: Razz's Humidity Beads Project
 
Update: Day 2, still holding steady

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...h_100_1069.jpg

RazzBarlow 02-23-2010 06:46 AM

Re: Razz's Humidity Beads Project
 
Update: Day 3, still holding steady. It rained fairly steadily for 2 days here, so the ambient rH is pretty high. (I didn't measure outside the tupperware)
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...h_100_1077.jpg
Obviously, my photo skills this morning are pretty lame. Apologies for that.

RightAJ 02-23-2010 06:55 AM

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I need to get some beads... looks like they're doing well!

aj

eber 02-23-2010 08:46 AM

Re: Razz's Humidity Beads Project
 
looks like they are working, good luck with the project :tu

darkninja67 02-23-2010 09:02 AM

Re: Razz's Humidity Beads Project
 
Looking good. Nice work

shilala 02-23-2010 09:17 AM

Re: Razz's Humidity Beads Project
 
Congrats on the project, Marshall!!!
It's fun, huh?
I used to work at Merck a long time ago. The index is a lot safer than the grounds, I'll tell you that. :D
Take a look at denatured alcohols. They'll yield some pretty excellent RH's over the saturated solution, right in the ballpark you're looking for. Lots more options than binary salts. :tu

RazzBarlow 02-24-2010 07:26 AM

Re: Razz's Humidity Beads Project
 
Got my first non-encouraging test results of this experiment. The rH dropped 5 points in 24 hours. That's a big swing and just the kind of fluctuation that beads are meant to eliminate. I'm not going to panic, we'll keep monitoring and see what happens.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...h_100_1078.jpg

I mentally toyed with the idea of not posting these results. But that just isn't an option!

nater 02-24-2010 08:06 AM

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We appreciate the honesty. It makes any final product have that much more integrity behind it.

RazzBarlow 02-25-2010 06:50 AM

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Final update:

This morning the hygrometer reading is 58% rH. I consider this formula unacceptable and will continue researching a new formula.

Thanks for all your interest.

Tashaz 02-25-2010 07:13 AM

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Keep at it Marshall, Like an Aussie cattle dog! You'll get there I'm thinking. *S*

BigAsh 02-25-2010 07:41 AM

Re: Razz's Humidity Beads Project
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RazzBarlow (Post 770685)
...

I mentally toyed with the idea of not posting these results. But that just isn't an option!

:tu.....science is all about trial and error....keep on truckin'!

Brilliant 02-25-2010 07:42 AM

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Yeah I have two heelers and they don't quit ever 18 inches of snow and they still want to fetch. Best dogs around if you ask me.

Trouble 02-26-2010 09:06 PM

Re: Razz's Humidity Beads Project
 
A tip that may help you

Lithium chloride is a chemical compound with the formula LiCl. The salt is a typical ionic compound, although the small size of the Li+ ion gives rise to properties not seen for other alkali metal chlorides, such as extraordinary solubility in polar solvents (83g/100 mL of water at 20 °C) and its hygroscopic properties.

It is cheap and easy to get....

Trouble 02-26-2010 09:16 PM

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http://www.artsorbonline.com/product/

More than likely what HF beads are...


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