Has anyone seen this Cohiba? Cohiba 40 Aniversario 1966-2006
 

Okay this is my first thread outside the welcome area so hopefully I did everything right, I think I did haha. Well I went to the store the other day with a few bucks burning a hole in my pocket. I go in the humidor and see the cohibas are on sale, so I decide to pick up a couple. I came home to research this cigar and found nothing. I also asked another member what he thinks of them and he says that he has never seen them before either. Take a look at the pictures I took and please share any information you may know about them.
Pauly
http://russianboy4.webs.com/apps/pho...lbumid=7812861

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Interesting cigar, but to my knowledge General Cigar changed over to the current Red Dot band in 1997. General is the owner of the non-Cuban version of the Cohiba made in the Domincan Republic. :2

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So did this one come from somewhere else do you think?

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the cohiba brand from cuba has only been around since the 80's i believe

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Whatever they are, they are fake. The only Cohiba 40 Anny is the very limited edition Cuban Cohiba Behike. I wouldn't touch those.

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After looking at the pics, the design doesn't match the General Cohiba logo either. This seems to be one of the lookalikes similar to the mildly popular siglo brand. Can you get a pic of the box? I also didn't find a band or stick that matched this anywhere, so there's a chance its a local roll possibly made by a former roller from Cuba paying homage?

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Yeah, these aren't cuban, they are from a B&M in the states I believe.

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Maybe. I've never seen such a thing as that cigar. The band looks like a lame General Cigar copy of a Cuban Aniversario Cohiba, but I'm pretty sure the General Cohibas only come in four varieties - original, Black, XV, and Puro Dominicana, and they don't use the Cuban Cohiba colors, patterns or markings, such as the yellow and black, the white squares and the gold Taino on your band.

This one has me stumped.

There was another Cohiba at one time, that used a band that looked just like the Cuban Cohiba bands, but with "Republica Dominicana" instead of "La Habana, Cuba," but those were ordered off the market a long time ago.

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As a public brand. Cohiba was established in 1966.

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are you saying i shouldnt smoke them? because theyre already purchased and id hate to have to waste my money on some cigars i cant afford in the first place and not even smoke them lol

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Next time I go in there I'll take a picture of the box. I might go in today and ask the guy some questions just out of curiosity considering it has all of us stumped.

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JNot at all. Imho, id smoke anything at least once. By fake, he meant not a real behike 40th cuban cohiba, which we both already knew. However, after smoking it, you might find that its a solid non cuban smoke.

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You can smoke them if you want, you bought them. They are probably just a run of the mill Dominican with a fancy band to fool people. I just don't like perpetuating the black market. If I saw those I would have a word with the owner or manager about it.

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Yea Ill give it a try to see what its all about. and I think I will have a talk with the owner to see what he has to say about em and get back to you guys.

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It's interesting they don't have an "Hecho en xxx" location on the band. Makes me wonder, too. Most Cuban fakes would have the fact that they are from Cuba somewhere on the band, like real ones. Most non Cubans also have a provenance listed on the band. So, very odd, indeed!

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6 rows of dots would be the first thing that would make me say "huh"...

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With all this confusion I'm really curious so I'll go over there right now and have a word with this guy. I'll post when I get back.

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There used to be a third entity using the Cohiba name. A Dominican company by the name of Montikristi (or something very similar IIRC), they had bands that were basically identical to the current Cohiba bands except I think that that they were either blank on the bottom yellow field or said "Republica Dominica" - I can't remember which it's been so long since I've seen one. The wooden boxes had a clearly pressed/burned in Dominican Republic in script on the front. If memory serves, they weren't supposed to be exported off of the island.

I haven't seen or heard of them in years, so I wonder if this is from them.

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Whoops, missed this part of your post on the first read.

That was my thought, that they might have been from them (Montikristi or whatever their name was). I never followed what happened to the company, so I didn't know that they were ordered off the market.

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The only Cuban Cohiba 40th Anniversary cigar is indeed the Behike which measures 7 1/2 x 52 and is extremely expensive so I'm pretty sure that if this cigar is being sold as a genuine Cuban, it's fake. The Behike band also does not look anything like that and instead, is the traditional Cohiba band with an additional white and gold band underneath it that reads "Behike" and has a limited edition number below that.

Does the band on your cigar indicate that the cigar is Cuban? If yes, it's a fake Cuban cigar. If not, it may be a non-Cuban cigar produced strictly to cash in on Cohiba's 40th anniversary.

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How much did they cost?

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Tyler and Tim, this is the one that us FOG's (Fine Older Gentelman) still remember....before General threatened to sue them or put them out of business!


http://www.socialcigar.com/video/dom...iba-is-it-fake

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A local B&M has boxes and boxes of those cigars. They even come in glass tops.

As to the OP, I am sorry I have never seen those before.

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Yup, those are the Montikristi's...

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They were $13.50 on "sale"

Just got back and got the pictures. There were different varieties, the one pictured then a different box said Siglo VII and I forgot what the other ones said but it was similar. The guy essentially said "you've never seen the band because it's the 40th anniversary, and that this is indiana noone would dare." whatever that means. Take a look at the new pictures of the box i just posted here:
http://russianboy4.webs.com/apps/pho...lbumid=7812861

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He's ripping people off, imo.

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Ohh that kinda hurts, but ill smoke em to see if they are truly a ripoff.

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No worries. We have all paid too much for a cigar that we liked or didn't like. :D


And like I said before, I don't like perpetuating fakes and the black market.

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I've had two of these in different vitola's. The first I think was a Churchill and was excellent. It had volumes of creamy smoke and was very chocolaty and sweet yet strong. It lasted over two hours before I put it out because it was getting to be a bit too much for me. I think the second was a corona gorda or double corona and sucked arse. I suffered through a third of it and remembered some of Bobarian's previous advice and let it die on a stirrup of my Stinky. If I could find the first vitola, and it was consistent, I would not hesitate to purchase a box of them. Problem is that the B&M I got it from ran out of that Vitola.

Try it out. Good luck. I hope you have the same experience as with the first one I smoked.

P.S. The local B&M I got them from had said that there were the two companies which had fought over the trademark as others have previously posted and this seems to be the Co. that lost.

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Valuable advice, I'll do that. Hope it turns out similaarly. i just wonder who actually made these things.

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I was trying to find that out as well to no avail. If I can get the same experience as before then I would like more of them. I also paid $13.50 for each of them which for what I got in the first stick is very reasonable for even a smaller size let alone over two hours of smokey goodness. LMK if you find out more.

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Paul, These may indeed turn out to be decent cigars. From the box pictures they are not purporting to be Cuban Cohibas as it clearly states their country of origin. Whether the price is excessive, only you can decide. Out here in California where we pay $10 and up for a Fuente Short Story, $13.50 is not a crazy price for a cigar. I think its interesting to see smokes like this, its amazing the stuff that is out there. :2

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If this one is good like the one you had ill let you know. and if they ran out of em at your B&M i could ship ya some.

Thats a good way of looking at it, Ill probably smoke one tonight and post how it was. It is cool stumbling upon a unique cigar that doesnt claim to be Cuban.

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wow, the box even has a "Habano" (Red/Yellow)style banner wrapper that looks to say DR

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Yet uses a trademark and likeness exclusive to the Cuban cigar that many novice cigar smokers recognize. That makes them fake. I can attest to the fact that it doesn't matter if it says it's Dominican on the box, people do not read. Therefore, are suckered into thinking they are getting a Cuban Cohiba. And the strange, cryptic response from the the guy you asked doesn't help.

I am a hardliner when it comes to these things. :su :D

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hang on im gonna go look at the sticky with all the lingo abbreviations on it and ill be right back!
EDIT hmm it wasnt there, probably because its so obvious i should know it..

yea his response was virtually useless, i just took my pictures and walked outta the joint lol

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Tuxguy is talking about the Habanos box seal:
http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/inf...ng.htm#BoxSeal

DR = Dominican Republic

The box you snapped a photo of has a Habanos DOP styled box seal that appears to read "Dominican Repulic".

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:tpd: now just pretend that arrow is pointed at me... :D wow common sense haha

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As you well know Cuban trademarks are not recognized in the United States. In the most recent case a Federal District judge has ruled for a second time in favor of Cubatobacco. But his original almost identical ruling was overturned on appeal. The appellate court ruled that due to the embargo a Cuban company could not own property in the US and that a trademark was property.

The company producing the "Cohiba" in question is most likely not even General Tobacco, but a small producer just trying to make a buck.

Anyone thinking they are buying a genuine Cuban Cohiba in a US B&M deserves whatever they get.

What about the other Cuban cigar names that are used by General or Altadis? Punch, Partagas, El Rey Del Mundo and others were originally owned by individuals in Cuba. Many left after the revolution because their property had been taken by the Cuban government.

I dont see this as a black and white issue, both sides have some legitimacy to their claims. :2

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NOWHERE on the boxes, nor on the sticks is the word "cohiba" anywhere... yes the symbol is there... but look at the "fleur de lis" its everywhere in the cigar world.. so theyre just using the symbol... other than that the cigar is not claiming to be a cohiba... sketchy marketing in my opinion... but again no where does this stick claim to be from cuba or say cohiba

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I didnt think that I was buying a Cuban cigar, I did think that it was a real Cohiba though, but not from Cuba.

He isnt trying to sell them as Cuban, but he did make a sign using Cohibas name so he is trying to use the name. I think he truly believes they are Cohiba. noone else seems to think so.

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From what I was told the company did use the name Cohiba but stopped after the trademark dispute. I think what I was told was that they are now using the name Gran Reserva or something like it. I think that was also on all of the boxes on at the B&M where I got them from. And I know that Cohiba in Cuba makes a Gran Reserva for the record.

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The authentic 35th anniversary Cohiba band. Notice the 6 rows of dots
http://www.shojikido.com/cgi-local/m...h_julieta2.jpg

googling "Cohiba 40th anniversary" yields this image
http://www.aficionado.org.uk/img/LogoCohiba40Aniv.png

Just because they are labeled as Dominican, and dont say "Cohiba" on them dosesnt make them "non-fake"

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If there are more like the first one I smoked then who really cares if they're fake?

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So would you be happy with a fake Rolex that you paid a premium for just because it told time properly?

It might be a good cigar, but the intent to deceive is there, and I would really care if they were fake.

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For the record I agree with Kool Moe D... I wouldn't buy or smoke these...

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Huh? A particular blend was made for Castro to smoke and give out as gifts after the revolution, lancero sans label since they had no name back then. But as an actual brand? '80s is right.

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from cuban cigar website:

http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/bra...x?brand=Cohiba

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I think they were made to deceive unwitting customers and any Cigar Merchant that knows a lick about cigars knows that. If your willing to shell out $13 a pop for something pretending to be something else then enjoy. Otherwise, Move along.

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It was a mistake... but maybe they'll be enjoyable at the very least so i won't feel as bad about supporting a fake cigar.

If you had it, you'd smoke it cmon now :ss