Camacho Cigars
 

While this is a duplicate posting, I felt the need to post it in the general forum as most people stopped reading the Black Band Project thread. I know that I did and just happen to get an update today that got me upset.

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Not sure I totally understand what is going on here...

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:tpd: Someone get butt hurt?

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Bob and SmokinApe-

As you may or may not know, the promotional "Black Band Project" basically fell flat on its face after the offered free cigars to the participants of the promotion, but has yet to deliver to many of those participants due to shortage of the promotional cigars. Dylan Austin replied to the "Black Band Project" thread on CA and told us that another wave of shipments would be sent out soon, however some the the original cigars promised will be substituted for others that they currently have in stock. This is Kris' response to that promise.

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:tpd:

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Thank you, but how does Camacho play into this?

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Camacho is the brand behind the promotion.

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I guess I'm wondering how mad could you possibly be about not getting "free" stuff? It's not like they charged you for something and didn't come through. They were giving away free stuff and ran out. Guess everyone has to choose their battles, this wouldn't be one I would make a big deal about. To each his own. :2

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I must say they make a darn fine cigar!!!
the camacho Havano Gigante is phenomenal!!!

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Anyone and Everyone who wishes to rid themselves of Camocho Cigars is welcome to send them right on down here to me, I will gladly smoke all of them.:tt

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I don't see how giving over 36,000 free cigars could be considered falling on your face, slinging mud at the face of our company, and not holding up our end of the bargain. Truly, I am bewildered by his attempt to attack me and I refuse to answer the unfounded claims which he has detailed, mainly because the statements are false.

As of this Friday, the remaining 300 out 12,300 who participated will have been taken care of.

If anyone has an inquiry regarding the project, please feel free to call me directly at any time, 305-592-0722 x747 or email me dylan at camachocigars dot com.

Kris, if you would like to call and chat, I would be more than glad to talk.

Cheers,

Dylan@Camacho

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where the heck was I at when you gave out over 36,000 cigars! please let me know if you plan on giving out any more!!!

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:tpd: You were up here, freezing in MI with me! :tpd:

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I hope Kris never sees a damn thing from that promotion. What a weenbag.

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I guess I need to send K Hansotia an email. I never got my FREE Gurhka hat or cigar case! I will never smoke another Gurkha! :r

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haha, me either.

Course, Gurkhas are less desirable than Camachos, imho.

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Point well taken guys. Principles are principles whether items are free or not. I guess that we all have differing opinions.

Mods, since I am apparently way off base with this lock it up

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:tpd:

complaining about free cigars, WTF???

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My mouth is shut on this... both parties do have some decent arguments. Oh well...

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:tpd:

I never got mine either, but who gives a rat's ass. Like Bob I never got my Gurkha swag either. Or some free Montecristo I emailed for a couple years ago. I thought their attempt at viral marketing went pretty well, except for demand being more than expected. Hey, sh*t happens. I once didn't get my promotional bat at an A's game cause they ran out. I didn't complain to the team about it.

The sad thing to me is that they are turning to marketing cigars in a way they mocked in the viral videos, especially with the 101 line of cigars and they way they jacked up their prices even before SCHIP. That's the legitimate stuff to complain about. But that said, I have many boxes of Camachos and will still continue to buy their product as they make a damned fine smoke.

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I have a question about camacho, does anybody remember the camacho's that came in a pyramid wood box, and you had to roll the cigar out of the box to get it out, and they had no labels on them, they were about eight bucks a stick. Does anybody remember what they were called.

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What Steve said. Getting this upset about not getting your free cigars is comedy gold.

I think I'll pick up a box of Camacho SLR Maduro's this week just to support this fine cigar manufacturer.

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I have not tried the SLR...I have only smoked the Havana ones, which btw were spectacular....
How do the SLR compare to the havanas?

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It's a heavy maduro with tons of smoke. Nice spice but not overwhelming while still retaining some of the typical maduro sweetness.

The triple maduro is also a great smoke but the Corojo is my favorite.

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Ratters, the 101's are $7-$9...

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Those were the old Diploma's. Believe it or not, Bonita Smoke Shoppe still has a few of those boxes intact and for sale. Those suckers have about 6 years of age on them and are delightful!

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Comparing the SLR and Havana is like comparing apples to oranges. Both are completely different smokes... I favor the SLR over the Havana's

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I have a few corojo's with about 5 years on them and they are stellar. One of the smoothest smokes I've had. I really enjoy them. I have a 10th anniversary in my humi now that I'm going to let sit for quite a while in order to try and achieve the same affect.

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Not complaining about the price of the 101 Dylan, just the marketing. The price of the regular ones jumped quite a bit last year, but you guys aren't the only ones who did that, so did Joya de Nicaragua, my other regular smoke.

As I posted before, I'm a huge fan of Camachos. I could stack the empty boxes in my house probably pretty close to the ceiling, let alone the boxes in the tower and cooler. Just the current marketing is reminding me too much of Cigar Afficianado and Puff.com.

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Oh man, those old Diplomas where freakin awesome cigars. The current ones are good, but those old ones were something special.

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Oh my god! A company didn't give me my free cigars! How dare they try to substitute another free cigar for the one I paid so much...erm...

The Fskers!

OP be less butthurt. You're the very pinnacle of the age of entitlement.

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Nothing like them in the world!

Not sure about what you are saying regarding the marketing. How does it compare to cA and Puff?

Many do not understand the Room101 brand just yet, the brand is still new and the story will not be clear until the tour starts and people can experience the whole thing first hand. It's a complex fraternity that happens to make products, have you visited the site? To me, Room101 is an brand founded on originality and that goes for the cigar as well. Many of the brands out there today, successful or not, are copies or takeoffs of things from other industries. Room101 is an extension of an original jewelry brand. Read up on it, it's not called the Conspiracy for nothing.

Prices went up across the board for 99% of the manufacturers. Our price increase are never more that 5 cents a cigar, and if we increase, it's only 1 time a year. It may be the retailer or state taxes + SCHIP that made you think we increased prices.

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Is it really free if you have to watch a series of videos?

I'll give you 2 "free" tickets to Disneyland, all you have to do it sit through my 2 hour timeshare presentation...

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For any interested in info about Room101 or Matt Booth, here is a good place to start: http://www.room101cigars.com/category/video/

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Yes, it is still free

If you include my flights we have a deal :ss

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Black band cigar A

Black band cigar B

Black band cigar C

Reviews off the cigars.

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You proved my point. You don't barter for free stuff :-)

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I didn't prove your point Danny, you just gave a bad example. You don't have to make costs to watch the vids and get the cigars, but I have to make (a lot of) costs to get to Disneyland, flights are expensive.

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FTC GUIDE CONCERNING USE OF THE WORD ``FREE''
AND SIMILAR REPRESENTATIONS

§251.1 The guide.

(a) General. (1) The offer of ``Free'' merchandise or service is a promotional device frequently used to attract customers. Providing such merchandise or service with the purchase of some other article or service has often been found to be a useful and valuable marketing tool.

(2) Because the purchasing public continually searches for the best buy, and regards the offer of ``Free'' merchandise or service to be a special bargain, all such offers must be made with extreme care so as to avoid any possibility that consumers will be misled or deceived.

Click on this link if you want further clarification. http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/guides/free.htm

Camacho's use and the timeshare example both fall under the FTC's guidelines for the usage of the term "Free":rolleyes:

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This thread is really getting silly...


Everyone is entitled to their opinions on the matter.

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I wasn't comparing the SLR to the Havana. Don't actually care for the Havana much.

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Sorry, that comment was directed at bigheadmark

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so the official launch of the cigars is in December at the Cigar oasis?

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Yes, it will be the official launch at Cigar Oasis. The first launch party was Oct. 1 in Los Angeles.

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:tpd: I've even seen legal actions arising out of a marketer's failure to comply with the FTC's Mail Order Rule/ 30-day Rule (even for "free" items). See http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/business/adv/bus02.shtm for more legal fun. Bottom line is that marketers of "free" items are still legally responsible to consumers for the delivery of the "free" items within the terms and conditions of their promotion (of course there are plenty of exceptions, like for example a consumer not meeting all of the terms and conditions of the promotions, etc.).

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Thanks Daustin, totally forgot what those were called. Those diploma's were really good, do you know were there are any olivia cloth bands (red or blue).

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The newer Havanas are actually pretty good.

Dylan, the CA/Puff thing is that I feel the marketing for the 101 is very much style over substance, though I've heard very good things about the smoke itself. I was given a pre-release I'm looking forward to trying.

My only other complaint is that they give no support to shops around me in the SF bay area. When I talk to shop owners about why they don't carry Camacho they basically say they don't sell well and don't get support. But when weak link got his shop to carry them they sold well. But I can't remember the last time there was a Camacho event around here. That's kinda depressing because I really believe they are great smokes.

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Well, since I sat here and read through this whole thread, I decided I would put my :2 in to the mix too!

First of all, I wrote off the whole "Black Band Project" a long ago. I figured that if the cigars showed up, I'd try 'em out. Since they never did, Oh Well.

I'm constantly being surprised when a box shows up in the mail, from some offer I put in for, and totally forgot about! When it does, I thankfully try the product, and, if I like it, I buy more.

But, if I don't receive it... I move on! Life is way too short to worry about the small stuff! :D

BTW, Nice reviews, Ferdie! I'll have to try one of them "C" cigars, when they finally show up locally! :tu

:dance:

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Thanks for your note.

The beauty of Room101 is that the substance actually generated the style, if you watch the videos you'll see what I mean. The brand in itself is tough to digest for some, simply because of it's complexity. When I discovered this brand in Vegas a few years back, I was immediately moved by the followers, or Conspiracy. The people that really got it, the people that lived the brand, the pride that they had being a part of this movement. I was immediately enamored and I wanted to know more about this global fraternity of conspirators.

Room101 is a lifestyle, a lifestyle that breaks the mold and trailblazers it's own path, not a brand that follows trends or succumbs to the pompous nature of over commercialized ****. Room101 is about me and what I want, a custom line of products created to my liking and identify with how I want myself to be represented. I was a customer of Matt Booth's long before I was a business associate and I was bitten by the bug. To break it down a little easier, Room101 is like a "Skull 'N Bones" type of organization, a fraternal order. One example, I was in Santa Rosa and I happened to be at an event where Guy Fieri was. We were introduced and the first thing he did was look down at my hand and said, "Matt Booth?", I said indeed. A few hours later, I was having dinner at his house with his family like we were old time pals. He recognized I was part of this brotherhood and we've been friends ever since. This is just one account, there are plenty others. The cigar brand is an extension of this into a different arena.

I could ramble on and on, and I may have confused the living hell out of alot you. However, Room101 is something that must be experienced first-hand, whether it's at an in-store event or by you coming to our bi-annual party in Vegas (Mid-February, all are invited if you can make it out). You'll get it sooner or later.

There is a great feature coming out in the new Cigar Snob magazine, it is from an outsiders perspective and how they came to understand what Room101 was all about.

In regard to No Cal, I know! Our guy in Cali has a lot of ground to cover and does not do many events. However, next time I'm in town we'll get together for a smoke.

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Ok Dylan, keep me posted when you head out this way. :ss