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mrreindeer 10-09-2009 11:56 AM
Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize - Discuss
 
Treading lightly, I can't help myself but put this out there.

REALLY?

Let's not get into political debate...just whether or not the guy really deserves it. A discussion, as a person and his ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

I say NO!

Come on....

Times must be harder than we think...205 seems like a pretty low turnout of submissions for the prize to me (note submissions were made by February 1st so Obama had a full 12 days in office to put this in the bag)!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/...bel-prize-win/

Get your submissions in now for 2010; YOU might just have a shot!

Some other articles on the topic: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-g..._b_315168.html

The peace prize was created partly to encourage ongoing peace efforts but Obama's efforts are at far earlier stages than past winners'. The Nobel committee acknowledged that they may not bear fruit at all.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_314907.html

ade06 10-09-2009 11:57 AM
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Yeah... I'm going to stay clear of this thread :)

mrreindeer 10-09-2009 11:59 AM
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Ooof, I know, I know, Ade...

But seriously....I feel as if the organization just f'd themselves and are making a mockery of the Prize and everyone who has won in the past.

I don't feel the guy deserves it....yet.

I understand their 'intent' but boy did they f' up.

KidRock 10-09-2009 12:01 PM
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who cares...I thought there was an economic struggle going on....

Mugen910 10-09-2009 12:02 PM
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prob best to lock this one up...it will prob go into a political thing Dave..

Blindjimme 10-09-2009 12:03 PM
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http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/u...me/popcorn.gif

King James 10-09-2009 12:04 PM
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A list of a few of the people that Mr. Obama beat out:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...were_passe.asp

with that, Im outta here!

mrreindeer 10-09-2009 12:06 PM
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Sorry guys if I you feel I might be promoting political debate but let's just keep politics out of this thread.

I made no mention of my political viewpoint..I just think it's nuts. Has nothing to do with politics really, just what the guy has accomplished in order to EARN the prize....we should be okay, I'd think.

And know I go to Jim's link.

s15driftking 10-09-2009 12:11 PM
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I'll bite, and this is merely my opinion on his image and technique...

What a bunch of propaganda & hooplah... he's no saint, he's diabolical and only out for his best interest... or those conductors who pull the strings...



Here's what i wrote to the WSJ the day after the joint session about a month back....


Quote:
The stench of stale & outdated propaganda must still linger in the room after last night’s joint session of congress. I cannot believe the tactics that were used in trying to convince the general public that they were doing the right thing by supporting Obama’s healthcare reform plan. Did anyone else notice that many members of the GOP sat there with the look of disgust written across their faces in reaction to statements that seemed to be written by Marx & Engels?

I’m no expert! I am a 26 year old male who is a few years out of school (state school: art degree) that is forging ahead to do “great things” (I use that term loosely) in the business world rather than become an artist. Was it just me? Or, does anyone else feel that President Obama lacks business acumen and sounds ridiculous when he uses slang terms such as “jacked up” in regards to availability and cost of healthcare. Come on people! This man is insane in regards to his projections versus the actual outcomes of this reform.

I want to make a personal note now to our beloved friend Barry (sarcasm).

Obama, I understand that your plan is to “keep insurance companies honest”… Well, I would retort with asking you to be honest and quit slighting and attempting to circumvent the need to confront and answer how the “tough angles” will have to be “worked out” as you so quietly/quickly put it. Sir, please explicate. Let us confront and discuss those tough issues/angles and let us talk about how we are going to (as you said) “work them out”…. Or maybe, just maybe you don’t want these issues to surface on national television because even the derelicts that exist would see fault and reason to not support your “need” for healthcare reform.

Point # 2:
I was relaxing at a local cigar shop about two months ago when I noticed a new face amongst the crowd. I struck up a conversation with the gentleman and after introductions I soon found out that he was a trauma surgeon who worked in a medium-large sized (500 bed) hospital in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. We began to speak about the plan that Obama had for our national healthcare system and he explained to me two very valid points. 1. He noted that if the bill was passed he would terminate his employment with that hospital and use his earnings/savings to become an entrepreneur and go in to some other form of business. 2. He noted that when many others followed suit that our country would then be ridden with B-level surgeons, doctors, practitioners, etc who didn’t fall into that “top 10th percentile of graduates” and now are eligible to be trusted in practicing medicine because that’s the best we could get due to all the A-level employees quitting their jobs/practices. How does that make you feel America?

All my Best,

jledou 10-09-2009 12:11 PM
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:2, but like the person or not and politics aside this is good for the global image of the United States as a whole.

Darrell 10-09-2009 12:13 PM
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Say no to Political threads.

Blueface 10-09-2009 12:13 PM
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I think you make a great point that this CAN be a non political discussion. Will it? Remains to be seen.
I think I totally agree the merits is incredibly questionable.
However, go back to 2001 and note what famous Cuban was nominated. That was equally as absurd.

Good luck with this thread as time will tell the direction it takes.
I am going to take a nap.

mrreindeer 10-09-2009 12:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jledou (Post 592273)
:2, but like the person or not and politics aside this is good for the global image of the United States as a whole.
Yes and no, Jay...I kind of agree with the writer of that Huffington Post that it could be pointing out that he hasn't done enough. I do agree that guy has done a great job SO FAR improving our image overseas. I just would have liked him to continue and do MORE (real solid accomplishments like peace in the middle east or something) in order to earn such a prestigious award, 'ya know?

And Bobbie, ya may have blown this one up!

BlackDog 10-09-2009 12:18 PM
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An interesting fact about the Nobel Peace Prize: Nominations had to be turned in by Fenruary 1, 2009. President Obama had only been in office for 12 days when he was nominated.

jledou 10-09-2009 12:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrreindeer (Post 592279)
Yes and no, Jay...I kind of agree with the writer of that Huffington Post that it could be pointing out that he hasn't done enough. I do agree that guy has done a great job SO FAR improving our image overseas. I just would have liked him to continue and do MORE (real solid accomplishments like peace in the middle east or something) in order to earn such a prestigious award, 'ya know?

And Bobbie, ya may have blown this one up!
Total merits on which the award was won ... I will agree that it would be suspect as to if everything would add up ... sad to say it but there probably should not have been a winner this year

mrreindeer 10-09-2009 12:22 PM
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Yeah, that's what's in that Fox news link above. Pretty funny. Sure, they have between that time & September to make a decision but come on...the nomination should have been warranted BY Feb. 1 and really, did he EARN the prize by Feb. 1?

mrreindeer 10-09-2009 12:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jledou (Post 592291)
Total merits on which the award was won ... I will agree that it would be suspect as to if everything would add up ... sad to say it but there probably should not have been a winner this year
Jay, I nominate YOU for 2010!

jledou 10-09-2009 12:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackDog (Post 592287)
An interesting fact about the Nobel Peace Prize: Nominations had to be turned in by Fenruary 1, 2009. President Obama had only been in office for 12 days when he was nominated.
when people are involved there is always politics being played ... any questions see the BCS :D

jledou 10-09-2009 12:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrreindeer (Post 592295)
Jay, I nominate YOU for 2010!
Thanks David, I'll get my speech ready :r

ahc4353 10-09-2009 12:25 PM
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I just put Fox and his Phatness in for next year. :tu

mrreindeer 10-09-2009 12:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jledou (Post 592296)
when people are involved there is always politics being played ... any questions see the BCS :D
What people? We're all computers.

mrreindeer 10-09-2009 12:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ahc4353 (Post 592302)
I just put Fox and his Phatness in for next year. :tu
Uh oh, Jay!

md4958 10-09-2009 12:28 PM
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glad to see Mr Obama lumped in there with Mother Theresa :tu

themoneycollector 10-09-2009 12:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ahc4353 (Post 592302)
I just put Fox and his Phatness in for next year. :tu
Well, they have contributed to a country's economic growth and supported USPS :r

Another vote from me +1

Drazzil 10-09-2009 12:46 PM
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No. He didn't deserve the Nobel prize. But half the people who get it dont deserve it nowindays.

mrreindeer 10-09-2009 12:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by themoneycollector (Post 592344)
Well, they have contributed to a country's economic growth and supported USPS :r

Another vote from me +1
Damn right....

And I've been reminded of others he shares company with.

Yasser Arafat, a master terrorist, was awarded the prize in 1994.

THAT is truly when the prize took a dive for me.

And now I wonder why I care....

It's....it's....it's just that it's SUPPOSED TO BE such an honor...

And I have way too much time on my hands to be discussing this stupid thing. :D

md4958 10-09-2009 12:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrreindeer (Post 592356)
And I have way too much time on my hands to be discussing this stupid thing. :D
:tpd:

dont you have a newborn? shouldnt you be doing something more interesting, like change a diaper perhaps?

King James 10-09-2009 12:55 PM
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This just in: Obama awarded Nobel Prize in Chemistry for mixing himself a whiskey with Red Bull onboard Air Force One.

LOL!

Back on point. I do find it odd that he was President for less than 2 weeks when he was nominated. And just find it so insulting to the people he beat out (if you look @ the link above)

Maybe it does pan out and he does improve relations, but hold off on the Nobel Prize until then.....don't give it now just because he is thinking about fixing relations, or has sorta started to try and fix relations

jledou 10-09-2009 01:00 PM
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Maybe the Nobel committee is really just a bunch of psychics, or a bunch of ...

mrreindeer 10-09-2009 01:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 592371)
:tpd:

dont you have a newborn? shouldnt you be doing something more interesting, like change a diaper perhaps?
yeah, but stuck here at work....really wanting to get outta here!

Jay, psychics or psychos...

tedrodgerscpa 10-09-2009 01:17 PM
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Whew... Potentially dangerous thread, but glad to see that it's still civil. Before it gets bad, I wanted to make a comment.

My only contribution to this thread are two simple facts.

1. Nobel prizes are ONLY awarded to a person who is living - source http://nobelprize.org/contact/faq/index.html

2.Mahatma Gandhi NEVER won a Nobel Peace Prize.

ahc4353 10-09-2009 01:18 PM
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Well, I think the NY Rangers should be given this years Stanley Cup now cuz I know they are gonna try real hard. :bh

jledou 10-09-2009 01:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ahc4353 (Post 592423)
Well, I think the NY Rangers should be given this years Stanley Cup now cuz I know they are gonna try real hard. :bh
Funny that's the same thing Jamarcus Russel (Raiders QB) says when he throws the ball ... "I tried real hard to throw it to the receiver ..."

wrench turner 85 10-09-2009 01:28 PM
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obama wining the NPP :pu
how am i going to protest this :al

Blueface 10-09-2009 01:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ahc4353 (Post 592423)
Well, I think the NY Rangers should be given this years Stanley Cup now cuz I know they are gonna try real hard. :bh
Al,
Can we throw in a Championship for my Yankees given they won 103 games?
How about based on the fact they intended to win 162?
Please?

Whee 10-09-2009 01:33 PM
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This won't end well.

ahc4353 10-09-2009 01:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 592439)
Al,
Can we throw in a Championship for my Yankees given they won 103 games?
How about based on the fact they intended to win 162?
Please?

Sure Carlos I don't see why not. :)

replicant_argent 10-09-2009 01:41 PM
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I give it 8 and a half hours. The equivalent of PBO's Senatorial experience.

Sawyer 10-09-2009 01:46 PM
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While he is receiving awards he shouldn't, let's help him win the Heisman trophy too.

Go HERE and put him in as a write in vote.

Dux 10-09-2009 01:48 PM
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It must have been the beer summit..

I think this is the europeans applying political pressure and trying to force the US out of Afghanistan.

Bear in mind, the nominations for this prize were due by February 1st, 12 days after he took office.

Pilon 10-09-2009 01:52 PM
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What did he do? I don't understand. Can I get one too? They should just start putting them into cracker jack boxes.

ahc4353 10-09-2009 01:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by replicant_argent (Post 592453)
I give it 8 and a half hours. The equivalent of PBO's Senatorial experience.
What's the over/under on the total post count?

mithrilG60 10-09-2009 02:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by King James (Post 592387)
Back on point. I do find it odd that he was President for less than 2 weeks when he was nominated. And just find it so insulting to the people he beat out (if you look @ the link above)
I don't think the issue is really how long he was or wasn't President prior to being nominated, after all the vast majority of past winners have never been President/Prime Minister/etc of their respective country. I think the real question is has he actually done anything to warrant such an honour? At this point I think the answer has to be no. He made a lot of great noise during the presidential race but so far has yet to achieve anything from his foreign policy list which would likely be the most applicable to the Nobel Peace Prize.

There's no doubt he's had a positive effect on the US' global image and personally I have great hopes that he will achieve really significant things both for the US and the rest of the world, I don't really think this is warranted yet. There should be more to winning the Nobel Peace Prize than just being perceived as better than your predecessor (especially considering the exceptionally foul odour which, deservedly or not, which most of the world saw GWB in).

md4958 10-09-2009 02:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ahc4353 (Post 592471)
What's the over/under on the total post count?
any action on which MOD will be the one to shut it down? Im taking Tom.

icehog3 10-09-2009 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 592482)
any action on which MOD will be the one to shut it down? Im taking Tom.
Not a bad bet, Moe. ;)

I am amazd it has been non-political this long. I am skeptical that it will last.

mmblz 10-09-2009 02:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Obama
To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.
But I also know that this prize reflects the kind of world that those men and women, and all Americans, want to build -- a world that gives life to the promise of our founding documents. And I know that throughout history, the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes. And that is why I will accept this award as a call to action -- a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/10...l-peace-prize/

timo 10-09-2009 02:38 PM
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http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/y...3858280418.jpg
Ya gotta love the guy nobel or nonobel

Mr. Ed 10-09-2009 02:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spitnchew (Post 592513)
http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/y...3858280418.jpg
Ya gotta love the guy nobel or nonobel
I don't know that Obama was checking anything out over there (I've ummm ermmm investigated this video many times) and it seems he was just letting the young lady pass and was looking past her. Sarkozy, on the other hand, kind of reminds me the cartoon wolf with bulging eyes and spinning bow tie :D

Blueface 10-09-2009 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sawyer (Post 592461)
While he is receiving awards he shouldn't, let's help him win the Heisman trophy too.

Go HERE and put him in as a write in vote.
Done!!!
I say more do the same.:r:r:r

Savor the Stick 10-09-2009 03:06 PM
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Obama--:td--nope


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