Manny and Ortiz on Roids
 

Brought this over from the MLB Thread...figured I'd create a thread for this one....

There's a report that Manny and Ortiz were both on the list of those who tested positive in 2003.

Link.


Let's see what spin Faux-Sox Nation has! The only thing I'd rather hear less than that is what the Weasel Empire has to add!

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I dunno about everyone else, but at this point, I assume that every single MLB player active within the last 15 years has taken them at some point.

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:tpd: At least the somewhat successful ones.

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Such a shame. I love major league baseball, and this is putting a permanent stain on a great sport. I have a lot of respect for those two (have met them both at Red Sox training camp), and if this turns out to be true (which it seems it is) I will lose respect for two people who I thought were great players. :(

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Not really surprised. Ortiz will have some egg on his face since he was so outspoken about it and felt that the MLB punishment policy wasn't strict enough :r

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Not saying I agree or disagree with finding out who the people were, but wasn't the list supposed to be confidential? I thought I remember reading that somewhere????

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It was supposed to be.

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The list was confidential. Baseball and the players union dropped the ball and did not have the list destroyed before it was suppeonaed for the grand jury. It was supposed to be sealed by the govt. also.

I agree that I would believe any player in the last fifteen years that was any good was on them.

Most people on them were pitchers for the recovery and hitters still have to put the bat on the ball.

I personally could care less if they all did it, because if I was that close enough to make a couple of million a year sign me up!!!!!

Something else to ponder about the steroid issue:
-The most publicized team for doing steroids were the Steeler teams of the late 70's- Some good home run hitters on Phils and Pirates in late 70's early 80's
-Steroids were big in the power lifting community and cattle industry which both were very big in Texas during 70's and 80's- I still remember a skinny fireballer from Texas on the Mets that as he got older had unreal trainning techniques to keep him young, O yea he owned a ranch also.

And again I am not on a witch hunt. I am a Rays season ticket holder, Love baseball, and if I had the ability I would have taken them also if that would have put me over the edge. My only problem is the lyimg! Because some of them are and were OBVIOUS!

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Yes. IMHO, they should just release all of the names and get it over with. Hearing about it over the course of several years will just be worse for baseball, again IMHO.

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I hope the idiots who were so vocal when the ARoid news hit are equally vocal now.

It is no surprise whatsoever that Ortiz and Manny are roid cheaters. But I cut them slack, because after all the red sux suck, and they need all the help they can get.

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That is the same list that implicated A Rod and Abreu and others...... it has just become fully public though.

A Rod was the first slip a couple years ago.... It'll be interesting to see what names come out now.

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Hooray, now that sorry sack of **** Manny can be banned from the HOF!

This makes my day!! :wo

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So... you think he is good enough numbers wise?......
What Darrell... you got a lil secret man crush on him?:D

jk

I don't think he woulda ever made it anyway... basket case.:2

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I can't stand the guy, Tim. I think he's a pompous moron and when they benched him for 50 games, they should have just kicked him from MLB.

I don't know that he would have ever made it either, numbers wise -- now I know for sure he won't. :r

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I've had the pleasure of watching him all week at my park.
The fans have been relentless booing him. Not typical for STL fans.
Funny thing is they (me not included) think McGuire walks on water. Hypocrites.

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McGwire is no better than Manny, he was just smart enough to retire before **** hit the fan. :r

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Everyone is/was on 'roids. Every sport has/had it, the problem was the MLB Players Union wouldn't allow the testing because they knew steroids were so prevelant. Then congress and the commisioner finally forced them into a testing program and now everyone is so suprised they were all cheating. :rolleyes:

Some people say: "Can you blame them?" Well ofcourse you can. They were still illegal drugs, regardless of whether they are banned. Would people be getting a pass if everyone was doing heroin to make them faster? :hm

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[sarcasm]
I'm just glad Congress did get involved.
[/sarcasm]

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Your tax dollars hard at work :rolleyes:

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Stay classy Boston.

Oh wait... :D

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This coming from a Cowboys fan! :r ;)

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:)Exactly why I put the "oh wait.." in there :D

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I LOVE the game of baseball...always have since I was a little boy and my father used to take me to Municipal Stadium to see the Indians play (and this is when they sucked). I remember the days of Rick Manning (my childhood hero) patrolling center field and Buddy Bell (with his bushy bleach blond air) holding down third base. For love of the game, MLB just needs to release all 103 names and get it over with. This one name here every few months is tearing the fabric right off the game that I love. While I truly want to believe that some of these guys are innocent...it becomes harder and harder to swallow this pill (at least for the guys who had monster years). I remember the old adelage, "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying"...as well as "If you get caught, you weren't trying hard enough". Even though these guys were "on the juice"...everyone still overlooks one big factor...they still have to hit the ball!!!! This is a sport based on failure...you only have to be successful 3 out of 10 times in this sport to be REALLY GOOD!!!! At least as far as hitting goes. Put this thing to rest and publish the damn list already!!! Let's get on the road to recovery to the greatest game in the world and one that I still LOVE!!!

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Not really surprised about Manny or Ortiz. When I abused the Yankee fans I also suggested Damon, Nomar and Varitek may have used them. I suspect every player on every team of using them.

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Your tune has really changed on Papi Paul. I remember back in the A-Roid thread you mentioning that my research was bad and Papi was just a big dude who magically became awesome with the Sox after being waived by the Twins :r

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Let's be real... the Yankees were juiced up too, Gotta Love A-Fraud & Giambi. Jeter on the other hand... well he's probably taking something that makes him look like a woman. Doesn't he look like some Tranny who could be your next door neighbors Mary Kay Lady? LOL

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They didn't have A-Roid in 03. And if you think Jeter looks like a woman, you got issues :r

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After thinking about certain repetitive use injuries that were similar to those sufferred by Nomar and Giambi, it made me reconsider what I thought. I had considered Ortiz to be an honorable man and I trusted his word.

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For what it's worth (and I mean this) I genuinely feel bad for Sox fans. As much as loathe the organization, it's a lousy feeling to have a marque player turn out to be a liar and a cheat. The Yankees have had enough of them over the years, it sucks, it's disappointing, and it's bad for baseball.

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No surprise they tested positive in 2003. I'm sure the entire list would make for interesting reading. The whole list should just be published instead of leaking a name or two every couple of months.

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Yeah the Yankees were on the Dbol, but RSN was taking a "holier than thou" attitude. Then Manny gets caught, and now Papi. Someone here told me Papi changed his plate mechanics and that is how he hit so many dingers when he came to Boston. Guess he was just a bit off.