Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not?
 

Hoping for some civil discourse on your thoughts on Pete being in the HOF. After 20 years, he would have to be voted in by the 65 members of the Veteran's Committee if his lifetime ban from baseball was lifted.

I know how Selig feels, sportswriters feel, players feel...I am curious as to how you feel.

Thanks for any constructive comments on a (currently) hypothetical situation.

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In.
If character and morality were a factor, then a bunch would have to be booted out.
Nobody in my lifetime played as well and as hard every day as Charlie Hustle.

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Pete is a great player, he made a mistake -- but his record as a professional athlete speaks for itself.

LET PETE IN!!!

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He's worthy.

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I have no clue what we talking about... seeing as there was a "I could care less" option I chose that one. ( Not that I actually do care less, im just oblivious.)

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Thanks for your contribution. :r

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http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...01.shtml?redir :D

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No question in my mind. In. You can't tell me he was the only one that bet on games. He just got caught. There are racists, druggies and overall bad people in the Hall. Pete lived the game all his life and nobody was as dedicated to his craft.

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Well, he made more than one mistake, but he should still be in. It's like "disrepect of cop" -- but unless I missed it, he never did apologize ..

again --> IN!!!

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He did the crime, he did the time, it's all in the past as far as I'm concerned......in!

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Was that sarcasm, Brother?
:D


:fu

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Dood, it's Charlie Hustle.
No one every laced up a pair of shoes that played the game harder or with more passion. I can't wait to see him in the Hall. :tu

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NEVER! ;)

On the square,

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:r

Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not?
 

YES

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He should most definately should be in the HOF. He is one of the greatest hitters in the history of baseball. Hank Aaron told Selig this past weekend that it is time to lift the ban. I really hope he listens to Hank.

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He is the greatest hitter in the history of baseball. IN..IN...IN!!!!!!

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why did he get banned for all thos years ?

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Nope.

Regardless of his contributions on the field, he touched what some have called "the third rail" of baseball by gambling on games he was involved in, and for that the penalty they say is death.

I kind of agree with that analogy. Nobody who has ever bet on baseball has ever been let back in, once you make an exception you open the floodgates and need to justify why this one, and not that one.

Examples are wonderful things, all the more so when the example being made is someone noteworthy. Yup, other players did bad things too, or weren't nice guys (see Ty cobb), but they didn't bet on the game. Not an apples to apples comparison.

Not that I don't appreciate his contributions, but we've all broken things in our lives that we just can't fix, no matter how hard we try or how remorseful we may be.Some things may be forgiven, but can't be forgotten.

As an aside, from what I've read he's never getting in anyways, because the people who do the voting don't want him there.

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Yeah gambling was/is against the rules and he screwed up. I think he has been punished enough by going through a 20 year sentence excluded from the Hall. Time to let him in.

And if they let even one of the known steroid users in then there is absolutely no excuse to keep him out.

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I said no. The fact that "others" have done the same/worse things is not a defense or excuse. He was well beyond the age of knowing what is right and wrong. He chose to break the rules, got caught, and got a punishment. I'd have some respect for him if he cowboy'ed up, went public, said he did it and accepted the punishment like a man.

I'm pretty much a black and white type person. Not saying I don't do wrong but when I do I take what ever comes. Nobody forces me to do "bad" things, momma didn't beat me, I didn't grow up in a "depressed" area, etc. A little personal responsibility and courage would go a long ways in today's society. If he really wants to be a "hero" or an example" - go on tour, tell the kids he screwed up, show respect and responsibility to the game and rules. That being a thug or rule breaker does have consequences.

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I also voted no. Gambling is the one area that is unforgivable especially when you are betting on a game in which you are managing one of the teams. It is too easy to fix a game and destroy the credibility that Major League Baseball has worked hard to earn. If Joe Jackson is still banned while there is testimony that he was not involved in the Black Sox Scandal, I can see no credible reason to reverse Rose's ban. Maybe I would agree with the Old Timers Committee voting for his admission after his death so that he could never market himself as a Hall of Famer.

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Put Pete in! :banger

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As long as he never bet against his own team, he should be in.

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Do you get into the HOF for playing achievements or for helping little old ladies cross the road?

Rose, a switch hitter, is the all-time Major League leader in hits (4,256), games played (3,562), at-bats (14,053)[1], and outs (10,328). He won three World Series rings, three batting titles, one Most Valuable Player Award, two Gold Gloves, the Rookie of the Year Award, and made 17 All-Star appearances at an unequaled five different positions (2B, LF, RF, 3B, and 1B).

He didn't fix games, he bet his team would win. According to the Dowd Report itself, "no evidence was discovered that Rose bet against the Reds."

He bet his team would win and he is being placed in with people who knowingly threw games for profit? That's ridiculous.

Rose lied about his gambling for years ... that is the real problem I see here. If he came out at the beginning and admitted he bet that his teams would win ... I can't see giving him a lifetime ban for that.

On February 4, 1991, the Hall of Fame voted to formally exclude individuals on the permanently ineligible list from being inducted into the Hall of Fame by way of the Baseball Writers Association of America vote. AFTER THE FACT.

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While betting in sports is against the rules, look at the facts.

1. He did it when he was a Manager and not a player. Ban the Manager Pete, but not the player Pete
2. He always bet that his team would win.

As a side note, if the ban is lifted, the ban on Shoeless Joe needs to be lifted as well.

Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not?
 

Oh, and to allow Manny Rameriz back into the sport with open arms after taking Steroids is a shot in everyones face. This sport is starting to get another black eye.

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They need to let him in.. He is a better player then a lot of guys already in.

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He gambled, so what...he didn't fix any games and it doesn't make his astounding accomplishments any less...he is one of the greatest players of all times and needs to be in! :banger

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I voted "It depends". If the other HOF members are OK with him in, let him in. If they don't, he stays out. Pete Rose was a great baseball player. I don't think anyone would disagree with that statement. But, there are other qualifying factors to get into the HOF. I think Bud Selig should lift the ban, and let the voters decide if he should be admitted. Until Selig lifts the ban, nothing is going to happen.

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If he would have admitted to betting on his team immediately would this even be a question? Or is it just because he denied it? :hm

He clearly has the numbers to put in his own wing in the Hall of Fame. Not sure another player can rival the numbers he put up or the passion with which he played the game. :2

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Pete bet on his team to win.
He ain't the Black Sox.
He is a liar though. A bad one, too. And he ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
But it's the Hall of Fame, we're not putting him up for sainthood.

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I voted no. Gambling has no place in baseball. I genuinely doubt he'll ever get in.

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If Ty Cobb is allowed in, why not Pete?

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Scott, if I can politely disagree. The HOF is that, the place where people who are the above average people. The ones who had careers that shined for many reasons. He is not IMO. It is to me more than a place of stats. Who were the best that did the most for their sport? Staying with only Pete Rose, he did not.

At best - there will have to be a lot of agreeing to disagree on this man.

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Bingo.

Bingo.

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For the guys who keep bringing up how good his stats were, I respectfully give u this to chew on.

Rose was not just a player, he was a manager. And as a manager he bet not only on baseball, but on the very team he was managing. Did he bet on them to win, or to lose? We don't know the answer to that ,question. The fCt that the Dowd report concluded there was no evidence of his betting on them to lose doesn't mean he didn't do it. And I'd be willing to bet there's a lot that we don't know about given Fay Vincents being so adamant about not wanting him in. Bottom line is the HOF has players, managers and broadcasters in it, it's not llimited to on field accomplishments as a player, it includes people for their OVERALL contributions to the sport. You can't seperate Rose the played from Rose the manager, and what he did as a manager is so reprehensible and so outside the pale that to me he doesn't belong there

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Babe Ruth was an alcoholic who threw women down the stairs regularly.
I won't even get started on Ty Cobb. :D

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I disagree Vic....I think you would need to clean house in the HOF if being a good person is one of the requirements! :r

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I respect where your coming from Tom. So……you support Simpsons being in Canton? After all, his crimes are completely unconnected to football:D

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I do, as well as supporting Ogie Oglethorpe's campaign for the Hockey Hall of Fame. :D

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I think we both knownall about my level of hockey knowledge:r, so you'll have to edumacate me on who Ogie is

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPEaOKI8ubU :r

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Most definitely he needs to be let in as a player. You can go in as both a player and a manager. His stats as a player would have made him a first ballot hall of famer.

Because of what he did as a manager, he should never go in as a manager. Had he never managed a baseball game in his life, he would be in. Nothing he did as a player is keeping him out.

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http://apudgeisasandwich.files.wordp.../pete-rose.jpg

Absolutely.

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That's why I was trying to stay on topic with Pete Rose. Adding 1 more bad individual just because others are already there doesn't work for me.

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From 84 to 86 he was a player/manager.
He broke Ty Cobb's all-time hits record as a player/manager.
That makes things a bit more sticky and confusing.

I think Pete screwed up from the get-go because he was pretty egotistical. Had he just said "hell yeah, I love gambling, and I love my boys, and I'm sorry and I won't do it again", he'd have been embraced, cause everyone loved Charlie Hustle.
He's a knucklehead though, and he had a serious gambling problem that's obvious to anyone who's ever followed his ups and downs. Whether he's ever got that under control, I don't know.
Add to all his other accomplishments on the field, he's also a Vet.
We should send him some cigars. :tu

Re: Pete Rose, 20 years later...HOF or not?
 

How can you have the record holder for the most hits ever not be in the Hall of Fame? YES!!!!!!!!!

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hehe, I was waiting on you to chime in. Mr. Baseball!

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We all bet on our own teams to win, in one form or another. This helps drive the desire to win.
Pete wasn't a nice guy when he was playing. I hear he pissed off a bunch of people both as a player and a manager. His attitude didn't help him out of this situation by any means.

He clearly does have the numbers to open up his own wing!:tu Free Pete!
Bobby Cox (a future HOFer) beat his wife.
DiMaggio had mob connections.
Mantle was an alcoholic.
John McGraw cheated when the umpire wasn't looking.
The list goes on.