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HK3- 05-21-2009 04:58 PM

Looks what I found while walking the dogs.
 
This evening I was taking the dogs on their usual stroll around the neighborhood. I noticed something odd with this pine tree and decided to get a closer look. I would imgine the queen is being relocated or something of the sort? Any bee keepers in here wanna explain this?

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...Picture192.jpg
This was as close as I could get without getting lit up.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...Picture196.jpg

Rockestone 05-21-2009 05:09 PM

Re: Looks what I found while walking the dogs.
 
Wow!! Why do I have an urge to run up and hit that heap with a stick!!:D

Something tells me that would be very bad idea.

TanithT 05-21-2009 05:15 PM

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http://www.sciencenews.org/pictures/...aphic_zoom.jpg

lightning9191 05-21-2009 05:18 PM

Re: Looks what I found while walking the dogs.
 
I've seen them swarm the ground before, but I have no clue what causes it.

taltos 05-21-2009 05:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lightning9191 (Post 392500)
I've seen them swarm the ground before, but I have no clue what causes it.

Hive is dividing with a new queen.

JE3146 05-21-2009 05:33 PM

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Very cool :)
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DPD6030 05-21-2009 05:35 PM

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Nice photos Hal.

jjirons69 05-21-2009 06:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockestone (Post 392476)
Wow!! Why do I have an urge to run up and hit that heap with a stick!!:D

Something tells me that would be very bad idea.

Greg, you sound a lot like me. The challenge of hitting it and hauling ass was too tempting growing up! Now that I'm 40, I'd just throw a stick at it. :)

Cool picture Hal. Keep your eye on it and report back what happens.

taltos 05-21-2009 06:52 PM

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I went back and checked some references from when I kept bees. A better explanation than what I gave earlier is that the population outgrew its hive and the old queen and many of the workers and foragers have left the hive. This is a correction to my previous post where I stated that the swarm had a new queen. The workers will raise a new (virgin) queen from some special egg cells and by feeding the larvae special food (queen jelly). The first queen out if healthy will be allowed to sting and kill any remaining queen larvae. If the workers sense that the new queen is not 100 per cent, they will sting this queen to death and await the emergence of the next one. After the queen gains strength, she must make a mating flight where she flies high into the air and is pursued by the drones. One will catch the queen and mate with her and will promptly die. The queen only needs to mate once. The rest of the drones will die by winter and will only be replaced at the next hive division. Hope that this helps.

taltos 05-21-2009 06:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockestone (Post 392476)
Wow!! Why do I have an urge to run up and hit that heap with a stick!!:D

Something tells me that would be very bad idea.

Good move, they fly at about 20 miles per hour. Can you run that fast? They also get very pissed if they sense that their queen is in danger. She is in the middle of that swarm being protected and kept warm by the bodies of all of the other bees in the swarm. They would all willingly die by stinging you to save the queen.:)

kelmac07 05-21-2009 07:40 PM

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I'm with Rockestone...something tells me to throw something at it and run like hell. Must be the 12 year old still in me.

theonlybear4CORT 05-21-2009 08:00 PM

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Very cool,leave it alone honey bees are disappearing.

Don Francisco 05-21-2009 08:05 PM

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The wonders of nature amaze me.

AAlmeter 05-21-2009 08:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by taltos (Post 392646)
I went back and checked some references from when I kept bees. A better explanation than what I gave earlier is that the population outgrew its hive and the old queen and many of the workers and foragers have left the hive. This is a correction to my previous post where I stated that the swarm had a new queen. The workers will raise a new (virgin) queen from some special egg cells and by feeding the larvae special food (queen jelly). The first queen out if healthy will be allowed to sting and kill any remaining queen larvae. If the workers sense that the new queen is not 100 per cent, they will sting this queen to death and await the emergence of the next one. After the queen gains strength, she must make a mating flight where she flies high into the air and is pursued by the drones. One will catch the queen and mate with her and will promptly die. The queen only needs to mate once. The rest of the drones will die by winter and will only be replaced at the next hive division. Hope that this helps.



This sounds so much better than 10 months of ads for congressional and presidential elections....



I just pity the poor drone that would have to pursue Hillary or Pelosi. :pu

taltos 05-21-2009 08:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AAlmeter (Post 392811)
This sounds so much better than 10 months of ads for congressional and presidential elections....



I just pity the poor drone that would have to pursue Hillary or Pelosi. :pu

How about if this also worked in show business. The drone who had to catch Rosie O'Donnell would kill himself first.:D

HK3- 05-21-2009 08:57 PM

Re: Looks what I found while walking the dogs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taltos (Post 392646)
I went back and checked some references from when I kept bees. A better explanation than what I gave earlier is that the population outgrew its hive and the old queen and many of the workers and foragers have left the hive. This is a correction to my previous post where I stated that the swarm had a new queen. The workers will raise a new (virgin) queen from some special egg cells and by feeding the larvae special food (queen jelly). The first queen out if healthy will be allowed to sting and kill any remaining queen larvae. If the workers sense that the new queen is not 100 per cent, they will sting this queen to death and await the emergence of the next one. After the queen gains strength, she must make a mating flight where she flies high into the air and is pursued by the drones. One will catch the queen and mate with her and will promptly die. The queen only needs to mate once. The rest of the drones will die by winter and will only be replaced at the next hive division. Hope that this helps.

Very cool! Thanks for the info! :tu

Quote:

Originally Posted by TanithT (Post 392487)

Thanks for the cool info as well! :tu

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Originally Posted by sonic_mike (Post 392741)
Very cool,leave it alone honey bees are disappearing.

Every blueberry farm around me has tons of bee houses to help pollinate all the shrubs. We have a boat load of bees in these parts.

sodomanaz 05-21-2009 10:51 PM

Re: Looks what I found while walking the dogs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taltos (Post 392646)
I went back and checked some references from when I kept bees. A better explanation than what I gave earlier is that the population outgrew its hive and the old queen and many of the workers and foragers have left the hive. This is a correction to my previous post where I stated that the swarm had a new queen. The workers will raise a new (virgin) queen from some special egg cells and by feeding the larvae special food (queen jelly). The first queen out if healthy will be allowed to sting and kill any remaining queen larvae. If the workers sense that the new queen is not 100 per cent, they will sting this queen to death and await the emergence of the next one. After the queen gains strength, she must make a mating flight where she flies high into the air and is pursued by the drones. One will catch the queen and mate with her and will promptly die. The queen only needs to mate once. The rest of the drones will die by winter and will only be replaced at the next hive division. Hope that this helps.

Who wants to start a human bee culture society?

Thrak 05-22-2009 05:55 AM

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Are those bees or hornets? I had a couple gigantic hornets flying around me the other day.. not kidding, they were at least 2-2.5" long. You could feel the wind when they flew by.

I guess they liked the smell of my Padilla Habano :D

taltos 05-22-2009 05:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrak (Post 393004)
Are those bees or hornets? I had a couple gigantic hornets flying around me the other day.. not kidding, they were at least 2-2.5" long. You could feel the wind when they flew by.

I guess they liked the smell of my Padilla Habano :D

Those are honey bees. Those giant wasps are probably cicada killers, also known as locust killers and are basically harmless and rarely sting. It is possible that they could be tarantula hawks but that would be very rare in your part of the country.

adampc22 05-22-2009 05:58 AM

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its makes me think of the aliens movies for some reason

Thrak 05-22-2009 06:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by taltos (Post 393005)
Those are honey bees. Those giant wasps are probably cicada killers, also known as locust killers and are basically harmless and rarely sting. It is possible that they could be tarantula hawks but that would be very rare in your part of the country.

Rarely sting? Man I hope so, they were pretty intimidating!!

taltos 05-22-2009 06:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrak (Post 393012)
Rarely sting? Man I hope so, they were pretty intimidating!!

The ones who were acting in an aggressive manner can't sting, they are males. One suggestion that might help is not to walk on your lawn in bare feet. The wasps live in burrows and the best chance for getting stung is if you step on one of the females while she is emerging from the burrow after leaving food for the emerging young.

kaisersozei 05-22-2009 08:00 AM

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That's awesome, Hal--nice find & great photos!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrak (Post 393004)
Are those bees or hornets? I had a couple gigantic hornets flying around me the other day.. not kidding, they were at least 2-2.5" long. You could feel the wind when they flew by.

I guess they liked the smell of my Padilla Habano :D

Your post reminded me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ncUANdbvlY

BlackDog 05-22-2009 08:12 AM

Re: Looks what I found while walking the dogs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taltos (Post 392822)
How about if this also worked in show business. The drone who had to catch Rosie O'Donnell would kill himself first.:D

:r :r :r

rizzle 05-22-2009 08:28 AM

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I would definitely throw a rock at it.

taltos 05-22-2009 11:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rizzle (Post 393159)
I would definitely throw a rock at it.

Unless you threw it from a moving closed vehicle, you would probably be stung to death.

ir13 05-22-2009 12:50 PM

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This right here is what you should do with those bees

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/come...dmine/bees.php

Thrak 05-22-2009 12:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kaisersozei (Post 393127)
That's awesome, Hal--nice find & great photos!



Your post reminded me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ncUANdbvlY

HOLY CRAP those are the hornets!! Their sting can disolve human flesh! :O

Skywalker 05-22-2009 01:21 PM

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Just blow a little cigar smoke at 'em!!!:r

lightning9191 05-22-2009 01:55 PM

Re: Looks what I found while walking the dogs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taltos (Post 393495)
Unless you threw it from a moving closed vehicle, you would probably be stung to death.

That sounds like a challenge:ss

kdog 05-22-2009 02:00 PM

Re: Looks what I found while walking the dogs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taltos (Post 392646)
The queen only needs to mate once. The rest of the drones will die by winter and will only be replaced at the next hive division. Hope that this helps.

Crap, now I understand, I think I used to date a Queen Bee :r:r:r

HK3- 05-22-2009 04:17 PM

Re: Looks what I found while walking the dogs.
 
I checked them again today while walking the dogs.... They are still there in the same place? The formation shape has changed though.. Must be too cheap to pay rent and got kicked out. ;):r

SvilleKid 05-22-2009 10:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HK3- (Post 393860)
I checked them again today while walking the dogs.... They are still there in the same place? The formation shape has changed though.. Must be too cheap to pay rent and got kicked out. ;):r

The cool thing about the "swarm" is that you can walk right up to it with an empty super (those wooden boxes used in bee-keeping), gently rake the swarm around until you can spot the queen, easily brush her into the super, and the rest of the bees will follow her in. Put the lid on the super, and you have the start of a colony.

Hard to tell without a reference, but they look big enough to be Italian bees. If they were wild bees, probably wouldn't be able to get close enough for those photos. Italian bees tend to be very docile, even when in a swarm. Mainly, they are looking for a home. I've helped capture half a dozen swarms in the past, all but one without the need of protection other than a bee hood. The one exception was a wild bee swarm. They tend to be a little more excitable.

I would imagine that somewhere within a mile or so away, someone is missing a colony out of their hive! As a rule, you would keep a "queen excluder" between the layer of supers with the queen and the super with the exit slot. This keeps the queen inside the hive, and the colony around to serve her.

Maybe a good opportunity for you to take up a new hobby??

Rockestone 05-23-2009 05:47 AM

Re: Looks what I found while walking the dogs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taltos (Post 392649)
Good move, they fly at about 20 miles per hour. Can you run that fast? They also get very pissed if they sense that their queen is in danger. She is in the middle of that swarm being protected and kept warm by the bodies of all of the other bees in the swarm. They would all willingly die by stinging you to save the queen.:)

So, you wanna give it a go?:r

HK3- 05-23-2009 06:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SvilleKid (Post 394372)
The cool thing about the "swarm" is that you can walk right up to it with an empty super (those wooden boxes used in bee-keeping), gently rake the swarm around until you can spot the queen, easily brush her into the super, and the rest of the bees will follow her in. Put the lid on the super, and you have the start of a colony.

Hard to tell without a reference, but they look big enough to be Italian bees. If they were wild bees, probably wouldn't be able to get close enough for those photos. Italian bees tend to be very docile, even when in a swarm. Mainly, they are looking for a home. I've helped capture half a dozen swarms in the past, all but one without the need of protection other than a bee hood. The one exception was a wild bee swarm. They tend to be a little more excitable.

I would imagine that somewhere within a mile or so away, someone is missing a colony out of their hive! As a rule, you would keep a "queen excluder" between the layer of supers with the queen and the super with the exit slot. This keeps the queen inside the hive, and the colony around to serve her.

Maybe a good opportunity for you to take up a new hobby??

Sounds like fun. I have messed around with some bees in the past but it was all just helping out for me. An old friend of mine from back home had a nice little colony. I remember having to go to the USPS to pickup a large humming box. I had no idea you could order bees online and have them sent to you. (I would imagine a mean joke could be played somewhere with these capabilities.) When it arrived the queen was inside a little wooden box with two or three drones to keep her safe, etc. Looks like it would be a fun hobby.

G G 05-23-2009 07:05 AM

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Make sure you have an autoinjector of benadryl when you start messing with them.

taltos 05-23-2009 07:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ggainey (Post 394547)
Make sure you have an autoinjector of benadryl when you start messing with them.

Sting allergies is why I gave up bee keeping. I still have an epi pen close by in the warm months.

G G 05-23-2009 07:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by taltos (Post 394558)
Sting allergies is why I gave up bee keeping. I still have an epi pen close by in the warm months.

i knew benadril wasn't right, but my mind wouldn't tell me epi.:D And I am the guy that picks you up in the ambulance, scary aint it?

taltos 05-23-2009 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ggainey (Post 394564)
i knew benadril wasn't right, but my mind wouldn't tell me epi.:D And I am the guy that picks you up in the ambulance, scary aint it?

Maybe you can be room mates with Scott in the Gaytor Home for the Bewildered.:fu

G G 05-23-2009 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by taltos (Post 394570)
Maybe you can be room mates with Scott in the Gaytor Home for the Bewildered.:fu

Well maybe, but the GAYTOR part wouldn't work out too good. I hate the gaytors.:dance:

HK3- 05-23-2009 07:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by taltos (Post 394570)
Maybe you can be room mates with Scott in the Gaytor Home for the Bewildered.:fu

Ha ha ha! You must be referring to Scott who doesn't know his name? :r

G G 05-23-2009 07:32 AM

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Yeah I forget mine sometimes too.:tu My selective hearing problem acts up a lot as well.

taltos 05-23-2009 07:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HK3- (Post 394588)
Ha ha ha! You must be referring to Scott who doesn't know his name? :r

Bingo!:D

G G 05-23-2009 07:34 AM

Re: Looks what I found while walking the dogs.
 
was his namo

HK3- 05-23-2009 07:37 AM

Re: Looks what I found while walking the dogs.
 
My hearing is shot. It's always, HUH? Whhhhat?

My dad got some cool new digital hearing aids that work great for him. I don't think I'm old enough to make that purchase yet. :)

G G 05-23-2009 07:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HK3- (Post 394597)
My hearing is shot. It's always, HUH? Whhhhat?

My dad got some cool new digital hearing aids that work great for him. I don't think I'm old enough to make that purchase yet. :)

I agree, better to be deaf than wear something in your ears.:ss

HK3- 05-23-2009 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ggainey (Post 394600)
I agree, better to be deaf than wear something in your ears.:ss

What? (little Jon style) ;)

G G 05-23-2009 07:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HK3- (Post 394603)
What? (little Jon style) ;)

Huh?:r you gotta type louder.:tu

HK3- 05-25-2009 08:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ggainey (Post 394606)
Huh?:r you gotta type louder.:tu

:fu2


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