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ucubed 04-11-2009 04:03 PM

Airforce question
 
So the backstory is...
My cousin who wanted to be a pilot for the airforce got denied acceptance. he passed all the exams on the 99 percentile and got lasik eye sirgery to corret his vision. He passed the physicals and exams though he has a heart murmur too. However he wasn't denied for any of those, he was denied because the skin on his nose is too dry? I'm curious to know why this matters...

*might I add he also obtained his pilot license before hand...

Thanks guys!

md4958 04-11-2009 04:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ucubed (Post 331788)
I'm curious to know why this matters...

me too!

taltos 04-11-2009 04:08 PM

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It may have to do with the fit of the oxygen mask where the lack of skin oils could cause scraping and pain that could distract the pilot from completing his mission. Just a guess though.

TheJ 04-11-2009 04:31 PM

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There are a few USAF pilots staying at my hotel. I'll ask the next one or more until I get an answer for you.

leasingthisspace 04-11-2009 06:22 PM

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Sounds fishy, I have no idea about this one.

WildBlueSooner 04-11-2009 06:25 PM

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I actually got a pilot slot then lost it because of medical reasons..however I have never heard of anything like that, nor did have them exam the oils of my skin on my nose!

hotreds 04-11-2009 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by leasingthisspace (Post 331907)
Sounds fishy, I have no idea about this one.


Someone who passes everything in the 99th percentile would not be dumped because of a small amount of eczema on his nose.

WildBlueSooner 04-11-2009 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hotreds (Post 332014)
Someone who passes everything in the 99th percentile would not be dumped because of a small amount of eczema on his nose.

I agree 100%. I know many pilots who have had waivers for various things...a dry nose would not be a problem.

leasingthisspace 04-11-2009 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hotreds (Post 332014)
Someone who passes everything in the 99th percentile would not be dumped because of a small amount of eczema on his nose.

Exactly.

TheJ 04-11-2009 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hotreds (Post 332014)
Someone who passes everything in the 99th percentile would not be dumped because of a small amount of eczema on his nose.

Only run into one pilot thus far this evening. He says he's met other pilots with eczema.

TheJ 04-11-2009 07:44 PM

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Maybe there aren't any slots available. I don't know why it didn't occur to me earlier, but I have friend, Kevin, who was a commercial pilot for years before joining the Air Force. He's still not flying. He's waiting for his turn.

WildBlueSooner 04-11-2009 07:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJ (Post 332051)
Maybe there aren't any slots available. I don't know why it didn't occur to me earlier, but I have friend, Kevin, who was a commercial pilot for years before joining the Air Force. He's still not flying. He's waiting for his turn.

The slots are there brother believe me! In fact they are taking applicants out of other career fields if you qualify. As far as waiting, actual pilot training is backed up about 12 months right now, meaning candidates usually go to causal status before they begin UPT (undergraduate pilot training)

TheJ 04-11-2009 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBlueSooner (Post 332075)
The slots are there brother believe me! In fact they are taking applicants out of other career fields if you qualify. As far as waiting, actual pilot training is backed up about 12 months right now, meaning candidates usually go to causal status before they begin UPT (undergraduate pilot training)

That could be what he's doing. Tyndall is a training base. Most of my friends I've met here in Florida are all military. I just don't talk shop with them as I don't know what they're talking about most of the time with their darn acronyms.

ucubed 04-12-2009 12:28 AM

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Well he told me that he got his pilot license because Airforce likes to see that you are competent enough to fly plus acing all exams. He is a graduate of Princeton in aeronautical engineering and works for Boeing in Seattle as Design Engineer. I just find it strange and very annoying that a top applicant gets turned down for supposed dry skin on the nose.

michael88n 04-12-2009 12:41 AM

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[quote=ucubed;331788 he was denied because the skin on his nose is too dry? I'm curious to know why this matters... [/QUOTE]

An Air Force Pilot //insert// Dry Nose //insert// Butt kisser //insert//End Joke.

Partagaspete 04-12-2009 01:13 AM

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This does not scan at all. There must be something more to it.

T

Savvy 04-12-2009 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Partagaspete (Post 332524)
This does not scan at all. There must be something more to it.

T

:tpd: I definitely can't figure out why that would really be a problem. Especially with how good his scores were. There has to be something else to it.

michael88n 04-12-2009 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Savvy (Post 332555)
:tpd: I definitely can't figure out why that would really be a problem. Especially with how good his scores were. There has to be something else to it.


I agree. You can get a waiver for being too tall, too short, too old, too... whatever! So why can't he get a waiver for dry skin on his nose?

Cheers,
Michael

The Navy rules the waves, and the Air Force waives the rules.

ade06 04-12-2009 11:32 AM

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Maybe you should have your friend write a letter to his congressman or senator.

alley00p 04-12-2009 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ade06 (Post 332941)
Maybe you should have your friend write a letter to his congressman or senator.

:tpd:

That was my first thought as I was reading through this thread!

He could always try the Navy or the Marines...



:dance:

WildBlueSooner 04-12-2009 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ade06 (Post 332941)
Maybe you should have your friend write a letter to his congressman or senator.

My guess is he maybe he doesnt want to say why he got DQd...so he came up with that. Just a thought

hotreds 04-12-2009 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by alley00p (Post 332959)
:tpd:
He could always try the Navy or the Marines...
:dance:

Naval aviation!

http://www.montgomeryaviationphotogr...d_IMG_0093.jpg

Tenor CS 04-12-2009 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hotreds (Post 333086)

Who's the big guy bringing up the rear?

ucubed 04-12-2009 02:07 PM

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I highly doubt he wouldn't say why he had his application denied, considering he paid for his lasik and his pilot's license, plus his academic prowess. He's in top physical condition too, he rowed for Princeton and biked from Seattle to New York with a friend a few times. So odd no?

WildBlueSooner 04-12-2009 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ucubed (Post 333112)
I highly doubt he wouldn't say why he had his application denied, considering he paid for his lasik and his pilot's license, plus his academic prowess. He's in top physical condition too, he rowed for Princeton and biked from Seattle to New York with a friend a few times. So odd no?

Im just saying...the AF would not deny someone for that. There must be something else...I was just speculating.

ucubed 04-12-2009 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBlueSooner (Post 333114)
Im just saying...the AF would not deny someone for that. There must be something else...I was just speculating.

I see I see. Maybe they just don't like Asian pilots =P

WildBlueSooner 04-12-2009 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ucubed (Post 333117)
I see I see. Maybe they just don't like Asian pilots =P

:r....that made me laugh my arse off. However, we can throw that theory out because I know an Asian pilot :tu

hotreds 04-12-2009 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenor CS (Post 333098)
Who's the big guy bringing up the rear?

E-2C Hawkeye

http://www.history.navy.mil/planes/e2.htm

TheJ 04-12-2009 07:48 PM

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Talked to 3 pilots today; T-18, F-16(asian pilot), and F-22A.

All agreed dry nose is not the reason.

sodomanaz 04-12-2009 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBlueSooner (Post 333121)
:r....that made me laugh my arse off. However, we can throw that theory out because I know an Asian pilot :tu

Maybe he ruined it for the rest of us!

ucubed 04-13-2009 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TheJ (Post 333387)
Talked to 3 pilots today; T-18, F-16(asian pilot), and F-22A.

All agreed dry nose is not the reason.

Interesting, so either my cousin is hiding something (which I HIGHLY doubt) or the Airforce is, thanks a lot for the information

19thHole 04-13-2009 05:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJ (Post 332051)
Maybe there aren't any slots available. I don't know why it didn't occur to me earlier, but I have friend, Kevin, who was a commercial pilot for years before joining the Air Force. He's still not flying. He's waiting for his turn.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of commercial pilot is he? I was always under the assumption that commercial pilots that flew for the airlines were almost always ex-USAF because that was about the only way to get enough hours. I am not speaking from experience, but I always heard that airline pilots needed like 1000 hours of flight time or something huge like that before they could fly people.

Thrak 04-13-2009 05:49 AM

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1000 hrs of flight time isnt that much really...

You can always tell a military/navy pilot on a commercial flight by the way they land.... privately trained pilots are generally much much smoother on the landing.

19thHole 04-13-2009 05:55 AM

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My cousin is a pilot. I worked for the Air Force as a civilian for some years. That is the extent of my experience. :)

That is interesting though about the landings. I will pay attention on my next flight.

hotreds 04-13-2009 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrak (Post 333675)
1000 hrs of flight time isnt that much really...

You can always tell a military/navy pilot on a commercial flight by the way they land.... privately trained pilots are generally much much smoother on the landing.

I flew on Aeroflot in the 1960s. Talk about rough landings!

ucubed 04-13-2009 04:01 PM

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He can fly small Aircrafts as of right now or something of the sort, I forget exactly.

Partagaspete 04-14-2009 11:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ucubed (Post 333625)
Interesting, so either my cousin is hiding something (which I HIGHLY doubt) or the Airforce is, thanks a lot for the information

It may be something as simple as the fact that he has a waiver for the lasiks and another for the murmer just might be one too many and he doesn't really want to get into it because from his point of view it is a minor technicality and those are the most frustrating. In th military they say everything is waiverable however you can only have only so many for such and such a job or special duty.

I do work with some very good Flight docs and if your cousin wants I will run his stuff up through them and see what they say. Ask him and if he says okay PM me and then we will work out the details. If I can help I will but I will tell you this; the A.F. is really looking hard for pilots right now so they would reluctantly let one go for a silly reason.

T

Volt 04-14-2009 11:57 AM

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Hmmm, Navy no good for him if he needs more than 500 ft to land... :) I agree a little dry skin doesn't sound kosher to me.


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