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DPD6030 03-06-2009 08:25 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yazzie (Post 273102)
Were they local or internet Aliens?
Maybe resident aliens or illegal aliens :D

Da Klugs 03-06-2009 08:25 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
sapientia of vir can tantum exsisto copiose postulo per propono of is adversus

ahc4353 03-06-2009 08:27 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
OK, I need a link to a translator.

DPD6030 03-06-2009 08:29 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ahc4353 (Post 273942)
OK, I need a link to a translator.
:tpd:

dunng 03-06-2009 08:29 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ahc4353 (Post 273942)
OK, I need a link to a translator.
:hm Maybe I need a new translator...

"wisdom of man can only to emerge fully to ask very display of this facing"

DPD6030 03-06-2009 08:32 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dunng (Post 273948)
:hm Maybe I need a new translator...

"wisdom of man can only to emerge fully to ask very display of this facing"
Or an interperator

SeanGAR 03-06-2009 08:33 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dunng (Post 273948)
:hm Maybe I need a new translator...

"wisdom of man can only to emerge fully to ask very display of this facing"
The actual translation is:

"knock it off, dumbass, before I ban you".

Oh, and before anybody else takes offense, he was speaking to me.

ahc4353 03-06-2009 08:41 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanGAR (Post 273952)
The actual translation is:

"knock it off, dumbass, before I ban you".

Oh, and before anybody else takes offense, he was speaking to me.
But what does yours translate to for those of us who are clueless?

landhoney 03-06-2009 08:42 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanGAR (Post 273952)
he was speaking to me.
Like the Fawlty Towers bit, "he has looking at you but talking to me" :r

Stick 03-06-2009 08:53 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ahc4353 (Post 273965)
But what does yours translate to for those of us who are clueless?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

ahc4353 03-06-2009 08:59 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanGAR (Post 273952)
The actual translation is:

"knock it off, dumbass, before I ban you".
I just knew I remembered that from somewhere! PNOON sends me that all the time in PM! :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stick (Post 273979)

Thank you David. :tu

SeanGAR 03-06-2009 12:02 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stick (Post 273979)
Or as I like to say, keep the explanation simple.

I remember a student who was having trouble with the HPLC, an instrument we were using to measure vitamin A.

He gave a long and convoluted explanation of what he thought was happening. I asked if he checked to see if the light bulb was burned out. He hadn't. It was. Simplest explanation wins again.

Legend 03-06-2009 12:08 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanGAR (Post 274329)
Or as I like to say, keep the explanation simple.

I remember a student who was having trouble with the HPLC, an instrument we were using to measure vitamin A.

He gave a long and convoluted explanation of what he thought was happening. I asked if he checked to see if the light bulb was burned out. He hadn't. It was. Simplest explanation wins again.
Please excuse me for being thick, but what did you mean?

SilverFox 03-06-2009 12:09 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Occam's razor is one of my favorite principles and I often use it in business to simplify complex transactions, in truth it is also the same principle I used to decide to stop working.

ahc4353 03-06-2009 12:12 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend (Post 274340)
Please excuse me for being thick......

You're excused. :tu

SilverFox 03-06-2009 12:16 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 273800)
This thread was a mockery long before the banter started. In my opinion, from the original post.

It is my opinion that this thread was started just to irritate people and make waves, and I find that offensive. If you wanna create drama, Cigar Asylum isn't the place to do it. You might have luck at another forum.

It is also my opinion that if the OP doesn't like the feedback he is receiving from other members, that he should think twice before posting threads that he knows will create waves.
While it might not have been the OP's intent that this be the case I do agree with Moe in that it certainly did come across that way.

The post was in my opinion intended to illicit argument not debate which in my opinion are very different ends of the spectrum, in several cases the counter posts from the OP took a personal edge.

Anyway the best bet is too ignore these types of threads, however I seem to be drawn like a moth to a flame, I sometimes take on a high moral position (at least in my mind) that is not necessarily healthy or in fairness sufficiently supportable, in doing so I see the flaws in my own approach......................typically after I hit submit reply

Legend 03-06-2009 12:17 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ahc4353 (Post 274345)
You're excused. :tu
Thank you.

I rereading my response I can see how the "excuse me" could come off more like the old Steve Martin bit. Sarcastic. However, I am honestly not making the connection the Seangar is making and blaming me for not being able to do so.

SeanGAR 03-06-2009 12:50 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend (Post 274340)
Please excuse me for being thick, but what did you mean?
Look for the simplest explanation in things.

In this case, what is the simplest explanation for the observation that cigars purchased in a B&M taste better than ones bought online.

1. Age of cigars.
2. Selection by the manufacturer giving better smokes to the B&M.
3. Other.

I think you would agree that age is a simpler explanation than anything else, as there is no active involvement of anybody in the difference.

Of course, the simplest explanation is not always the right one, but looking at problems this way is often helpful.

shilala 03-06-2009 12:58 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanGAR (Post 274419)
Look for the simplest explanation in things.

In this case, what is the simplest explanation for the observation that cigars purchased in a B&M taste better than ones bought online.

1. Age of cigars.
2. Selection by the manufacturer giving better smokes to the B&M.
3. Other.

I think you would agree that age is a simpler explanation than anything else, as there is no active involvement of anybody in the difference.

Of course, the simplest explanation is not always the right one, but looking at problems this way is often helpful.
That's why I tend to go with the amatuerphylactics rather than the prophylactics. I like to keep it simple, and I don't wanna feel all "uppity" when I'm gettin sexy. :tu

Legend 03-06-2009 01:22 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanGAR (Post 274419)
Look for the simplest explanation in things.

In this case, what is the simplest explanation for the observation that cigars purchased in a B&M taste better than ones bought online.

1. Age of cigars.
2. Selection by the manufacturer giving better smokes to the B&M.
3. Other.

I think you would agree that age is a simpler explanation than anything else, as there is no active involvement of anybody in the difference.

Of course, the simplest explanation is not always the right one, but looking at problems this way is often helpful.
A way of looking at it. Granted.

Scottw 03-06-2009 01:23 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shilala (Post 274433)
That's why I tend to go with the amatuerphylactics rather than the prophylactics. I like to keep it simple, and I don't wanna feel all "uppity" when I'm gettin sexy. :tu


:r:rHAHAHAHAHA

Dgar 03-06-2009 01:29 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shilala (Post 274433)
That's why I tend to go with the amatuerphylactics rather than the prophylactics. I like to keep it simple, and I don't wanna feel all "uppity" when I'm gettin sexy. :tu

Thats funny stuff.

To the original question/observation...... I have never noticed a difference in the taste of cigars ordered online vs cigars purchased at a B/M, well I've noticed a difference in price but I dont think the OP was commenting on that.

gnukfu 03-06-2009 06:53 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shilala (Post 274433)
That's why I tend to go with the amatuerphylactics rather than the prophylactics. I like to keep it simple, and I don't wanna feel all "uppity" when I'm gettin sexy. :tu
...gettin sexy? :pu What the heck are you doing with your cigars Scott?

shvictor 03-06-2009 09:39 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnukfu (Post 274877)
...gettin sexy? :pu What the heck are you doing with your cigars Scott?
If you have to ask....

WildBlueSooner 03-06-2009 10:15 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Did I come in at a bad time?

Legend 03-06-2009 10:49 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
OK. I spoke with Eddie Ortega of 601 Cigars tonight at my cigar lounge and his perspective on this subject was very interesting.

He said his cigars are all the same, but his reasoning for the local being better is not the aging at the B&M, but the storage at the big internet guys. he said while they do have humidified warehouses etc. they are stored in their boxes and celo wrapped which isn't the best for cigars.

Now 601 is a smaller producer of cigars and the reports I got were from some larger cigar makers, So when I go to Nicaragua in May I'll ask Don Pepin about his. So for now I am have some egg on my face. :al

icehog3 03-06-2009 10:50 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend (Post 275241)
OK. I spoke with Eddie Ortega of 601 Cigars tonight at my cigar lounge and his perspective on this subject was very interesting.

He said his cigars are all the same, but his reasoning for the local being better is not the aging at the B&M, but the storage at the big internet guys. he said while they do have humidified warehouses etc. they are stored in their boxes and celo wrapped which isn't the best for cigars.

Now 601 is a smaller producer of cigars and the reports I got were from some larger cigar makers, So when I go to Nicaragua in May I'll ask Don Pepin about his. So for now I am have some egg on my face. :al
A little egg never hurt anyone. ;) :)

Col. Kurtz 03-07-2009 07:30 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend (Post 275241)
OK. I spoke with Eddie Ortega of 601 Cigars tonight at my cigar lounge and his perspective on this subject was very interesting.

He said his cigars are all the same, but his reasoning for the local being better is not the aging at the B&M, but the storage at the big internet guys. he said while they do have humidified warehouses etc. they are stored in their boxes and celo wrapped which isn't the best for cigars.

Now 601 is a smaller producer of cigars and the reports I got were from some larger cigar makers, So when I go to Nicaragua in May I'll ask Don Pepin about his. So for now I am have some egg on my face. :al
I guess I need to take all my boxes out of the coolerdor and strip the sticks down? What did he recommend for storage?
Isn't the 601 made in Don Pepin's factory?

BTW, I don't think I'd ask Pepin Garcia this question.

SeanGAR 03-07-2009 09:26 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend (Post 275241)
he said while they do have humidified warehouses etc. they are stored in their boxes and celo wrapped which isn't the best for cigars.
Well, that explains why MRN stores boxes for aging in ziplock bags.

icehog3 03-07-2009 09:28 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanGAR (Post 275646)
Well, that explains why MRN stores boxes for aging in ziplock bags.
Not to mention the Dark Lord. :)

Legend 03-07-2009 09:41 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanGAR (Post 275646)
Well, that explains why MRN stores boxes for aging in ziplock bags.
MRN???

Stick 03-07-2009 09:45 AM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend (Post 275668)
MRN???
Min Ron Nee, author of "An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Post Revolution Havana Cigars."

http://www.cigarmony.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=248

Legend 03-07-2009 01:29 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stick (Post 275671)
Min Ron Nee, author of "An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Post Revolution Havana Cigars."

http://www.cigarmony.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=248
Thank you

MajorCaptSilly 03-07-2009 01:32 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend (Post 275241)
OK. I spoke with Eddie Ortega of 601 Cigars tonight at my cigar lounge and his perspective on this subject was very interesting.

He said his cigars are all the same, but his reasoning for the local being better is not the aging at the B&M, but the storage at the big internet guys. he said while they do have humidified warehouses etc. they are stored in their boxes and celo wrapped which isn't the best for cigars.

Now 601 is a smaller producer of cigars and the reports I got were from some larger cigar makers, So when I go to Nicaragua in May I'll ask Don Pepin about his. So for now I am have some egg on my face. :al
That's pretty much what I said very early in this thread.


MCS

Whee 03-07-2009 01:35 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MajorCaptSilly (Post 249954)
Do you really think that cigar manufacturers make varying quality cigars for B&Ms vs internet retailers? I just don't think that's possible. I do think that long-term storage can be a problem at some of the internet retailers. Many tend to keep cigars at higher humidity levels so they can ship better. If cigars are kept at over 70% humidity for long periods of time, I can see some chemical changes happening that could cause problems. I've also been at some B&M's with serious humidity issues. I just don't buy the fact that B&M's are getting "better" cigars.

MCS
Quote:
Originally Posted by MajorCaptSilly (Post 275876)
That's pretty much what I said very early in this thread.


MCS
True story...post #8.

SilverFox 03-07-2009 01:49 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 275244)
A little egg never hurt anyone. ;) :)
I like eggs

vudu9 03-07-2009 04:35 PM
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Quote:
Final thoughts: again just my opinion and I will still order and smoke internet cigars. But I think the makers know who their clients are and will give superior product to the local guys. It helps keep them in business when they can't compete price wise and reduces complaints.

It makes no sense to to me as a brand owner to send better product to one venue and so-so/inferior product to another. Everything I make I want to be perfect no matter where it ends up. I would imagine this rings true to all other manufacturers out there. It all has to be good all the time.

ahc4353 03-07-2009 04:42 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverFox (Post 275903)
I like eggs
From the local grocer or Costco? :hm

shvictor 03-07-2009 04:43 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverFox (Post 275903)
I like eggs
I like my eggs over medium...I love the runny yolk :D

G G 03-07-2009 04:45 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shvictor (Post 276112)
I like my eggs over medium...I love the runny yolk :D
:tpd:

Legend 03-07-2009 04:55 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
I'm an over easy fella myself. Like the yolk very runny and mix it up with my hashbrowns.

Love it with rye toast and sausage. Throw some peppers. Onions and garlic on the hashbrowns and we are doing awesome.

Ok. Sorry. Don't post hungry.

Starscream 03-07-2009 06:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend (Post 276130)
I'm an over easy fella myself. Like the yolk very runny and mix it up with my hashbrowns.
Try eggs over easy mixed w/ grits and sausage. A lot better than mixing it up w/ hashbrowns.:tu

shvictor 03-07-2009 08:01 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andysutherland (Post 276193)
Try eggs over easy mixed w/ grits and sausage. A lot better than mixing it up w/ hashbrowns.:tu
I haven't had grits since i was a kid living in North Carolina..I don't even remember what they taste like

pnoon 03-07-2009 08:01 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shvictor (Post 276329)
I haven't had grits since i was a kid living in North Carolina..I don't even remember what they taste like
Lucky for you.
:pu

SeanGAR 03-07-2009 08:04 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend (Post 275668)
MRN???
I was being facetious with my statement.

MRN wraps cuban cigar boxes in zip lock bags to slow the aging process and supposedly IMPROVE the quality of the cigar during storage. So Mr. Ortega's explanation that a box wrapped in cello is not good for the cigars does not jive with what at least one respected Cuban cigar collector is doing.

But it does bring up another possible difference .. that the cigars in the B&M age faster because boxes are opened .. which isn't exactly age per se, but might affect the taste. So equal age 1 YO cigars, one that spent its life in a cello covered box, and the other that was in a B&M humidor might taste different for that reason.

replicant_argent 03-07-2009 08:07 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andysutherland (Post 276193)
Try eggs over easy mixed w/ grits and sausage. A lot better than mixing it up w/ hashbrowns.:tu
That's at least the second time this thread has made me think of Buttered Kitty Litter. (and that was before the breakfast talk)

shvictor 03-07-2009 08:32 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
What was this thread about? :r:r

taltos 03-07-2009 09:33 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shvictor (Post 276382)
What was this thread about? :r:r
Absurd conspiracy theories.

shvictor 03-07-2009 10:34 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by taltos (Post 276523)
Absurd conspiracy theories.
Thats right I forgot. Its your favorite thread Paul

Legend 03-08-2009 05:31 PM
Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Love me some grits. Unfortunately no one here in so Cal has a clue on how to make them. Including me.

Seangar aside from being a smart ass brought up what my point was. There was an entirely different possibility than we even thought of. Which is why we shouldn't mock and dismiss but have an intelligent discussion on the topic which is what I was looking for.


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