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hammondc 01-16-2013 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1782060)
To ME generally width of the pistol effects how easy it is to conceal than any other factor.

Yep. I am fairly small. 5'7" & ~ 170lb. 33" waist. It has to be slim or it pokes me and imprints pretty heavy. My Glock 26 is too thick. I am in the market now for something thinner. I really want the Sig Mk25, but it is too thick. Single stack 9mm is probably going to be the ticket.

spectrrr 01-16-2013 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hammondc (Post 1782453)
Yep. I am fairly small. 5'7" & ~ 170lb. 33" waist. It has to be slim or it pokes me and imprints pretty heavy. My Glock 26 is too thick. I am in the market now for something thinner. I really want the Sig Mk25, but it is too thick. Single stack 9mm is probably going to be the ticket.

Keltec PF9 has a great reputation. I really love my Diamondback DB9, although apparently lots of people like to dis on the DB380... I don't know about the 9, I've never had problems, FWIW.

The company is very responsive. I called em up one day, said I needed to order a replacement set of sights. They asked what was wrong, I said absolutely nothing, my current sights are fine, but I wanted to experiment with a different sight picture and didn't want to butcher my original sights. He took my address and sent out a new set, free of charge. THAT's customer service. I'm fairly confident if I ever did have problem's, they would make it right. But so far, no problems at all after about 300rnds through it, mostly bulk commercial reloaded ammo purchased at a gun show 10 years ago.

hammondc 01-16-2013 07:45 PM

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I have a PF9. It is a my summer gun along with a Ruger LCP. I am looking for something a bit bigger, but not as thick as the Glock. Maybe a Sig 229. Maybe the new Springfield XDS in 9mm when it comes out. May even go back to looking at 1911s. Maybe the Sig 938, although it kinda overlaps with the PF9. I'm really in no hurry.

spectrrr 01-16-2013 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Digs (Post 1782370)

:wo :) thanks :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digs (Post 1782432)

typical gunbroker markup :r

spectrrr 01-16-2013 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by J0eybb (Post 1782365)
A buddy of mine ordered a AR57 upper for his ar in 16.04" and they shipped him the 12" upper. Instead of returning it he now has an AR57 pistol.

I might have done that with a 10" barrel.... or a barrel that wasn't a rather expensive Daniel Defense one. But I don't exactly need that level of quality in what I guess would become a home defense pistol.

spectrrr 01-16-2013 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hammondc (Post 1782466)
I have a PF9. It is a my summer gun along with a Ruger LCP. I am looking for something a bit bigger, but not as thick as the Glock. Maybe a Sig 229. Maybe the new Springfield XDS in 9mm when it comes out. May even go back to looking at 1911s. Maybe the Sig 938, although it kinda overlaps with the PF9. I'm really in no hurry.

I'm halfways tempted to experiment with a 1911 9mm for a 3gun pistol... not because my Glock17 is bad, but just because I LOVE shooting 1911s :) .... but a decent 9mm 1911 is also a decent $$$, so I think i'll probably stick with the G17 for now.

emopunker2004 01-16-2013 09:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hammondc (Post 1782466)
I have a PF9. It is a my summer gun along with a Ruger LCP. I am looking for something a bit bigger, but not as thick as the Glock. Maybe a Sig 229. Maybe the new Springfield XDS in 9mm when it comes out. May even go back to looking at 1911s. Maybe the Sig 938, although it kinda overlaps with the PF9. I'm really in no hurry.

Kahr cw9 is the ticket

Ogre 01-16-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1782509)
Kahr cw9 is the ticket

I tried it, didn't like it.

emopunker2004 01-16-2013 09:45 PM

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Why not larry

Ogre 01-16-2013 09:48 PM

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It just didn't sit right with me, maybe my hands are to big for this gun. It felt like a toy to me.

emopunker2004 01-16-2013 09:55 PM

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Lol yeh but I think it's a good size for normal people, maybe not ogres

spectrrr 01-16-2013 11:05 PM

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I don't know which model it was, but I tried a small Kahr 9mm years ago (5 maybe?) and it didn;t feel good at all in my small sized hands.. IDK why.

spectrrr 01-16-2013 11:08 PM

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Anyone have any recommendations OTHER THAN Mechanix for an inexpensive tactical shooting glove?

I can't use the Mechanix that everyone else seems to use. The Small size fits my finger length, and I can squeeze my hands in, but it constricts blood flow a bit too much, I start getting tingly hands. The Medium is just a tad loose (but manageable), but leaves nearly 1/2" of slop at the finger tips (NOT ok at all!)... *sigh*... so I need to find something like the mechanix small, but slightly fatter.

jluck 01-16-2013 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1782316)
damnit....

I was all excited today. Got most of the parts needed for my custom AR upper in today. Enough to start building it at least.

11" Troy alpha rail
14.5" Daniel Defense barrel
YHM 5C2 Comp/hider to pin to the barrel and make it legal.
Low profile Wilson Combat adjustable gas block.
Some random stripped upper that Midway has in stock, etc.


No sign of a BCG yet (it's coming... eventually :rolleyes:), and I still havn't found an in stock barrel nut to buy, but that wasn't going to stop me from playing with the parts :)

so I picked up the barrel, screwed on the comp, and grabbed a tape measure to check the length to the chamber.

"hmm.... that can't be right... I'm a couple inches short..."
*measure barrel*
"twelve inches???"
*check invoice*
"14.5" M4 Carbine 1:7"
*check label on shipping tube*
"5.56, 1:7, 12.5" M4 Carbine"

Son of a ***** :bh

Got it from Brownells, so I know they'll fix it... but erm... you know, there's the slight issue of "WHEN" in this century they might get more stock in! :bh

Is it actually legal to just add a long flash hider to a short barrel? Regs I read a while back said this is a no-no, even welded on is not OK.....I was under the impression rifles had to have over 16.00" of rifled barrel to be legal for civilians (non class 3). Does someone have legit info to confirm otherwise? I would love to get a 14.5.....

spectrrr 01-16-2013 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jluck (Post 1782539)
Is it actually legal to just add a long flash hider to a short barrel? Regs I read a while back said this is a no-no, even welded on is not OK.....I was under the impression rifles had to have over 16.00" of rifled barrel to be legal for civilians. Does someone have legit info to confirm otherwise? I would love to get a 14.5.....

Yes, it's legal. Take it to a gunsmith and have them blind pin the muzzle device and you'll be GTG. (with a blind pin you also have the future option of destroying the muzzle device and saving the barrel if you need to in the future).

I don't remember exactly, but from my previous reading, I seem to remember that there was a brief period during which the ATF f*cked up the rules and made it so that a blind pin wasn't legal and even a partial weld all the way around was questionable, had to have a fully seamed and welded setup. Or something like that. But that has long since been "fixed" back to the way it was, and blind pins are specifically allowed now... I'll see if I can hunt up a link...

LostAbbott 01-16-2013 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1782535)
Anyone have any recommendations OTHER THAN Mechanix for an inexpensive tactical shooting glove?

I can't use the Mechanix that everyone else seems to use. The Small size fits my finger length, and I can squeeze my hands in, but it constricts blood flow a bit too much, I start getting tingly hands. The Medium is just a tad loose (but manageable), but leaves nearly 1/2" of slop at the finger tips (NOT ok at all!)... *sigh*... so I need to find something like the mechanix small, but slightly fatter.

Posted via Mobile Device

Look into full finger mountain bike gloves. There are many options and brands. I would try to find your local bike shop or REI and see what you can try on.

spectrrr 01-16-2013 11:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jluck (Post 1782539)
Is it actually legal to just add a long flash hider to a short barrel? Regs I read a while back said this is a no-no, even welded on is not OK.....I was under the impression rifles had to have over 16.00" of rifled barrel to be legal for civilians (non class 3). Does someone have legit info to confirm otherwise? I would love to get a 14.5.....

here you go: second page, 2.1.3 Rifle: http://www.atf.gov/publications/down...-chapter-2.pdf

Quote:

The ATF procedure for measuring barrel length is to measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to
the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device. Permanent methods of
attachment include full-fusion gas or electric steel-seam welding, high-temperature (1100°F) silver
soldering, or blind pinning with the pin head welded over. Barrels are measured by inserting a dowel rod
into the barrel until the rod stops against the bolt or breech-face. The rod is then marked at the
furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device, withdrawn from the barrel, and
measured.

spectrrr 01-17-2013 12:05 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jluck (Post 1782539)
Is it actually legal to just add a long flash hider to a short barrel? Regs I read a while back said this is a no-no, even welded on is not OK.....I was under the impression rifles had to have over 16.00" of rifled barrel to be legal for civilians (non class 3). Does someone have legit info to confirm otherwise? I would love to get a 14.5.....

Good info here about the pros and cons of a 14.5 .... http://www.tacticalyellowvisor.net/c...carbine-barrel

spectrrr 01-17-2013 12:53 AM

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What it comes down to - Once you permanently attach that muzzle device to your 14.5" barrel, you're not going to be able to change the gas block, many/most available handgards, etc. -- You're STUCK with that configuration unless you want to have a machinist grind off the muzzle device, then you have to buy a new muzzle device and pay a gunsmith to attach it again!

I'm 50/50 on whether it's worth it or not.... I'm tempted to tell brownells I'll take whichever they get in stock first, 14.5" or 16" and see where the dice fall...


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Originally Posted by LostAbbott (Post 1782546)
Posted via Mobile Device

Look into full finger mountain bike gloves. There are many options and brands. I would try to find your local bike shop or REI and see what you can try on.

good advice, I'll give that a try...

jluck 01-17-2013 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1782548)
here you go: second page, 2.1.3 Rifle: http://www.atf.gov/publications/down...-chapter-2.pdf

Thanks Francis,great info.

I was thinking about it too....if rifles overall length is near the same with a short barrel/long flash bidet and a longer barrel and short FH then I think I would take the slight accuracy advantage of the longer barrel. IMO of coarse.

spectrrr 01-17-2013 06:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jluck (Post 1782580)
Thanks Francis,great info.

I was thinking about it too....if rifles overall length is near the same with a short barrel/long flash bidet and a longer barrel and short FH then I think I would take the slight accuracy advantage of the longer barrel. IMO of coarse.

primarily the difference between barrel weights is only about 3oz in many cases.

BUT it's 3oz on the very end, subject to leverage and the laws of physics, so it feels like a lot more when you're shooting it.

emopunker2004 01-17-2013 06:20 AM

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My wife's ar is 14,7" with a vortex perm attached

Brian D. 01-17-2013 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1782480)
I'm halfways tempted to experiment with a 1911 9mm for a 3gun pistol... not because my Glock17 is bad, but just because I LOVE shooting 1911s :) .... but a decent 9mm 1911 is also a decent $$$, so I think i'll probably stick with the G17 for now.

Once in a while Springfield Armory will run off a batch of the Mil Spec line in nine millimeter, 5" barrel. Less features than the Loaded Series but if you can live with the the Mil Spec fixed sights (I'm NOT talking about the GI model) the other amenities are things you could add later or do without.

I don't have one anymore but Colt made the plain jane 1991 Series in 9mm and .38 super as well as .45acp. All three were available in Gov't and Commander sizes if memory serves. Until the current hysteria hit you could pick one of those up at a very good price most of the time. The 5" 1911 in 9mm is indeed an easy gun to shoot.

Another alternative (not easy to find either, sorry, you were born too late :D ) would be the Browning Hi Power, one of the later versions with ambi safety and decent sights.

For what it's worth the newest variant is available with adjustable sights that are low-mounted into the slide. Trouble is those haven't been out very long so you'd be paying new-gun-prices for them.

emopunker2004 01-17-2013 09:57 AM

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Well took my Cw45 to the range. They had a limit of 2 boxes of range ammo per person. Shot 2 boxes of the range reloads and 1 box on Win PDX. Gun hated the range loads. Think they're loaded too long. Zero problems with the PDX JHPs. :tu

bonjing 01-17-2013 11:25 AM

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Limit of two boxes? That's kind of stupid, regardless your going to sell them all and your still going to run out. Unless their trying to stretch it out till supposed restock date, either way your still going to make customers angry. Are they one of those ranges that allow instore ammo only?

emopunker2004 01-17-2013 11:34 AM

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No they allow any ammo u bring. They were trying to stretch it out. I guess they figure if I pay the range fee and buy all their ammo they only make 12 plus the ammo. It they spread it out over 10 people then they still sold all the ammo but got 10 range fees.

Steve 01-17-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1782770)
No they allow any ammo u bring. They were trying to stretch it out. I guess they figure if I pay the range fee and buy all their ammo they only make 12 plus the ammo. It they spread it out over 10 people then they still sold all the ammo but got 10 range fees.

Which range Justin?

dijit 01-17-2013 12:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian D. (Post 1782717)
Another alternative (not easy to find either, sorry, you were born too late :D ) would be the Browning Hi Power, one of the later versions with ambi safety and decent sights.

Another option only slightly newer than the browning but hard to distinguish is the CZ75 that was my first 9mm and was about the most reliable one I ever owned even fed 147gr black talons with no issues.

bonjing 01-17-2013 12:37 PM

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So nothing here at SHOT, not many companies are taking on new accounts, and the ones we have are not taking any orders and the ones that do are still estimating 1 year plus out. Good news is they are all working overtime trying to push stuff out without sacrificing quality!!! So be patient guys.

emopunker2004 01-17-2013 01:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 1782787)
Which range Justin?

Gun gallery on beach.

At least she feeds my jhps like butter

Steve 01-17-2013 01:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1782823)
Gun gallery on beach.

At least she feeds my jhps like butter

That's what I thought, thanks.

J0eybb 01-17-2013 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonjing (Post 1782806)
So nothing here at SHOT, not many companies are taking on new accounts, and the ones we have are not taking any orders and the ones that do are still estimating 1 year plus out. Good news is they are all working overtime trying to push stuff out without sacrificing quality!!! So be patient guys.

I live here and I'm not even going to SHOT. Too much on backorder as is.

big pete 01-17-2013 07:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonjing (Post 1782761)
Limit of two boxes? That's kind of stupid, regardless your going to sell them all and your still going to run out. Unless their trying to stretch it out till supposed restock date, either way your still going to make customers angry. Are they one of those ranges that allow instore ammo only?

My friend just stopped by Reed's (to pick up his new gun) and they were only selling 9mm ammo for range rentals. 4 box max per lane

spectrrr 01-17-2013 11:42 PM

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Botach tactical just lost more than a few notches in my book....

Placed an order last week for 9 items of various kinds. A few parts for the glock, a rail for an HK, a hand grip, a .22 mag, you get the idea. various stuff. ALL IN STOCK.

Just got an email listing EIGHT of those nine things as out of stock, some with as much as an 8 week ETA.... not cool....Shipping & email delays I understand fully... but 8 out of 9 items out of stock? .... >.<

emopunker2004 01-18-2013 12:00 AM

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Um Francis, you know Botach is one of the worst places to order from right? They're shady as **** and A TON of people have issues with them.

emopunker2004 01-18-2013 01:35 AM

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Well just ordered up 200rds of 7.62x54r for the mosin :tu

Robulous78 01-18-2013 01:46 AM

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Had a friend just pick up the Berretta PX4 Storm 9mm... Interesting looking pistol... has a twist recoil action on the barrel... just wondering if anyone knew anything about this...

emopunker2004 01-18-2013 01:58 AM

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Yep. Beretta first used it in their Cougar model, Stoeger now makes the Cougar (Beretta holdings owns both companies)

Blueface 01-18-2013 05:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Robulous78 (Post 1783145)
Had a friend just pick up the Berretta PX4 Storm 9mm... Interesting looking pistol... has a twist recoil action on the barrel... just wondering if anyone knew anything about this...

My son in law has one and I havE fired it at the range.
I find it bulky and not really a fan of that twisting barrel.

spectrrr 01-18-2013 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1783136)
Um Francis, you know Botach is one of the worst places to order from right? They're shady as **** and A TON of people have issues with them.

well I do now :)

I think I'll be cancelling the whole order. The only thing I got there that I couldn't get else ware was a 50rd drum for the 15-22, but that won't be in stock till I'm out of the country, so screw em...

CigarSquid 01-18-2013 07:02 AM

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Anyone got a good, cheap source to score some magazines?

spectrrr 01-18-2013 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by garryyjr (Post 1783213)
Anyone got a good, cheap source to score some magazines?

nope, most places are sold out of most things.

It kinda depends on what particular mags you need ;)

Lots of legwork, just gotta keep an eye out for em, and availability seems to come in waves.

keep refreshing this page throughout the day: http://www.slickguns.com/category/accessories

emopunker2004 01-18-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by garryyjr (Post 1783213)
Anyone got a good, cheap source to score some magazines?

For what?

Blak Smyth 01-18-2013 09:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garryyjr (Post 1783213)
Anyone got a good, cheap source to score some magazines?

PM Digs, I know he has some.

CigarSquid 01-18-2013 09:29 AM

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LC9

Ogre 01-18-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by garryyjr (Post 1783293)
LC9

I had to shop ebay for a Sig Mag. All online dealers and Sig are out.

Digs 01-18-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by garryyjr (Post 1783213)
Anyone got a good, cheap source to score some magazines?

Midway show them in stock at the moment, dont delay or *Poof* they will be gone. haha

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/230...th-finger-rest


I know a local delaer had at leaset 7-8 of them last friday...

Remo 01-18-2013 12:23 PM

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I think things are gonna ease up now that we have heard the plan, I can't see much of any gun control getting passed. unless you are unlucky enough to live in New York

Islayphile 01-18-2013 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1783366)
I think things are gonna ease up now that we have heard the plan, I can't see much of any gun control getting passed. unless you are unlucky enough to live in New York

MD, NJ, VT, MA have all had nasty gun control legislation introduced this session already.

VA did too but the VCDL had it struck down before it made it's way out of committee

spectrrr 01-18-2013 01:45 PM

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Having lived there, MA will probably have no trouble passing whatever they come up with.

Still, that list is mostly north eastern states. no big surprise there :rolleyes:

Still, the legislative battle is only just beginning. I think a lot of people breathed a sigh of relief after Obama's unveiling, mostly because of fear over an instant executive order style ban. But the battle will be heated in the coming months at both the state and national levels.

IF you feel as I do on the issues, I would urge caution in becoming too complacent just yet, this road has a ways to go... Keep on writing :tu

I'm heading to my state capitol tomorrow, I hope that nationwide folks will be doing the same :)


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