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loki 03-15-2011 01:53 PM
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so the nflpa is asking people who aren't even part of a union that no longer exists to do stuff? at this point I don't care if football ever comes back. ****em all

chippewastud79 03-15-2011 05:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tx_tuff (Post 1206219)
Funny thing is the NFLPA wanted a lower cap on the rookies also, they just didn't agree with what to do with the money saved. But I think they agreed on the lockout.

Funny how the NFL players are no longer part of the NFLPA, and in fact the undrafted players would not be anyway. But NFLPA is still running the show? Please!
Players don't hold a lot of power in this whole process. Sadly the people who exploit them do. Encouraging the college players to not attend the draft is slightly pointless as the draft will go on regardless. Without free-agency it makes the draft even more of a crap shoot. There are a lot of free agents out there and no one knows where they will end up. Once a player is drafted he will have little to do anyways. There won't be a single contact with coaches or negotiations for a contract anyway, so what is the point of having the draft. :hm

Starscream 03-15-2011 07:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruins Fan (Post 1206280)
What I just heard on the radio is the NFLPA was going to hold it's own draft with the draftees at a different venue, and sell the TV.
It is kind of brilliant, but who would butt heads with the NFL, Ted Turner is a wild card he don't give a crap, HBO ?
So if the NFLPA holds a draft, where do they get drafted to?:confused::confused: Do they come in as free agents?

loki 03-15-2011 07:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1206522)
Players don't hold a lot of power in this whole process. Sadly the people who exploit them do. Encouraging the college players to not attend the draft is slightly pointless as the draft will go on regardless. Without free-agency it makes the draft even more of a crap shoot. There are a lot of free agents out there and no one knows where they will end up. Once a player is drafted he will have little to do anyways. There won't be a single contact with coaches or negotiations for a contract anyway, so what is the point of having the draft. :hm
exploiting them? i'll tell ya what, you pay me 58 million and you exploit the hell out of me.:rolleyes:

Stephen 03-15-2011 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 1206060)
Baseballs attempt to give mid and small market teams a better chance to stay competive with large markets without capping salaries.
But doesn't that fly in the face of what you said earlier?
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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 1205140)
All sports are a business and they should operate like any other business in this country imho. If a team or league can't cut it, it should fail :2
If the Wal-Mart down the road isn't making any money, the Wal-Mart that is successful out by the interstate isn't going to cut them in on the action.
(Devil's Advocate off)

I'll let you have the last word to close the chapter on this issue; I'm a socialist like that.:D

chippewastud79 03-15-2011 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by loki (Post 1206690)
exploiting them? i'll tell ya what, you pay me 58 million and you exploit the hell out of me.:rolleyes:
Whether people want to agree with the priciple or not, the players make far more money for the owners than they are compensated for. Ticket prices and revenues continue to rise and players salary have not kept up. Now the owners complain that they need more money to build new stadiums (paid for by tax money :rolleyes: and giving them the ability to raise prices on everything) and to keep from taking a loss. Owners won't show their books to show the deficit that they have, something has to give. :hm Without the players, there is no product. :2

loki 03-15-2011 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1206776)
Whether people want to agree with the priciple or not, the players make far more money for the owners than they are compensated for. Ticket prices and revenues continue to rise and players salary have not kept up. Now the owners complain that they need more money to build new stadiums (paid for by tax money :rolleyes: and giving them the ability to raise prices on everything) and to keep from taking a loss. Owners won't show their books to show the deficit that they have, something has to give. :hm Without the players, there is no product. :2
and i make more money for my boss then i'm compensated for...this is not their unique and special situation it's the way of the world.

also, without the fans there is no league

chippewastud79 03-15-2011 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by loki (Post 1206779)
and i make more money for my boss then i'm compensated for...this is not their unique and special situation it's the way of the world.
Well when people start paying millions and billions of dollars to show up to watch teachers in the class room or fire fighters fight a fire or my wife crunch numbers, then everyone else might have a bit more bargaining power. I'm not saying its right, its just the way people pay to watch these guys play. :2

Its the owners who are saying they don't make enough money, and if they don't get more, everyone else is without a job and they will keep all the revenue. The lockout works out immensely well for the owners, they still have TV contracts and such that will get paid regardless and they won't have to pay a single dollar of salary to players or anyone else for that matter. Nothing like bringing in revenue with no overhead. :hm

chippewastud79 03-15-2011 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by loki (Post 1206779)
also, without the fans there is no league
The fans will be there whenever it is settled. And they will pay the ticket prices the owners demand and buy merchandise and beer at those games. Television contracts aren't going to be dropped like they were for hockey :sad. Unlike any other sport, football has the fan base to absorb owners stupidity for now (unfortunately the owners know this). Fans will pay money for teams who meddle in obscurity for years, a few months of this won't lose enough fans to effect the league as a whole. If there is a full season lockout (unlikely), then you may see a decline in viewership, but it will rebound much faster than hockey or baseball suffered during their labor disputes. :2

VirtualSmitty 03-15-2011 10:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1206765)
But doesn't that fly in the face of what you said earlier?

If the Wal-Mart down the road isn't making any money, the Wal-Mart that is successful out by the interstate isn't going to cut them in on the action.
(Devil's Advocate off)

I'll let you have the last word to close the chapter on this issue; I'm a socialist like that.:D
How so? The part where I said I didn't care much revenue sharing lol.

Wal-Mart vs Wal-Mart analogy doesn't work, same chain. Wal-Mart vs any other business sure. If Wal-Mart forces a local store out of business, they don't share their profits to keep them around for competition :r

No one is calling you a socialist Stephen, just the NFL ;):D:r

Starscream 03-16-2011 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1206671)
So if the NFLPA holds a draft, where do they get drafted to?:confused::confused: Do they come in as free agents?
Anybody answer this question?

Bruins Fan 03-16-2011 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1207212)
Anybody answer this question?
That's a good question,they have no contract so all agreements should be void and null.
There is talk of football being played without a agreement,if so what about the franchise tag?
They can't have it both ways.

Stephen 03-16-2011 09:53 AM
Re: NFL
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruins Fan (Post 1206280)
What I just heard on the radio is the NFLPA was going to hold it's own draft with the draftees at a different venue, and sell the TV.
It is kind of brilliant, but who would butt heads with the NFL, Ted Turner is a wild card he don't give a crap, HBO ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1206671)
So if the NFLPA holds a draft, where do they get drafted to?:confused::confused: Do they come in as free agents?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1207212)
Anybody answer this question?
From my understanding I don't think it's going to be a, "different" draft per se, but instead of the top prospects going up on stage and getting his picture taken with Commissioner Goodell, they'll be at another venue.

From the article:
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The NFL Players Association is putting into place a plan that would prevent each top college prospect from attending next month's draft in New York, according to multiple league sources. The NFLPA already has contacted 17 top prospects who ordinarily would have received an invitation to attend the draft and informed them not to go.


Later Monday, a source said the edict is a recommendation, not an explicit order not to attend the draft. The source said the union plans to give the prospects the "same experience down the street."

Starscream 03-16-2011 11:34 AM
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What experience would that be? If they don't attend the NFL draft, then they won't get drafted by a team. If they are not on a team, then they do not have the opportunity to play. I don't get it.:confused:

Stephen 03-16-2011 01:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1207349)
What experience would that be? If they don't attend the NFL draft, then they won't get drafted by a team. If they are not on a team, then they do not have the opportunity to play. I don't get it.:confused:
:confused: You don't have to be in attendance to be drafted, Andy. Literally hundreds of players every single year are doing their own thing on draft day instead of sitting in the, "green room." One of the cooler stories I remember is Joe Thomas going fishing with his Dad the day of the draft rather than surrounding himself with all the hooplah.

Starscream 03-16-2011 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1207424)
:confused: You don't have to be in attendance to be drafted, Andy. Literally hundreds of players every single year are doing their own thing on draft day instead of sitting in the, "green room." One of the cooler stories I remember is Joe Thomas going fishing with his Dad the day of the draft rather than surrounding himself with all the hooplah.
So they would be at another venue, but still be in the NFL draft.:tu Gotcha.

Stephen 03-16-2011 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1207636)
So they would be at another venue, but still be in the NFL draft.:tu Gotcha.
Correct.


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