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Thought you weren't going with a shorty?

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:r changed my mind. Gonna go for a 10.5" barrel me thinks.

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I like this...

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That's what my work one is, perfect size.

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wwell, no luck today at the show. people seemed out of money and not willing to pay high prices. vendors had most of the "hard to find" items in stock and things "looked normal" until you checked the price tags. AR's were in stock but still running around $1400 for basic models. Mags were in stock, $35 for pmags, genuine glock mags were running $50-$90... I even saw a 50rd glock DRUM for $300 and a 60rd surefire AR casket mag for $200.

No luck selling the guns I wanted to sell (since I wanted to sell em at gunbroker prices, not local prices)

found one to buy, and I hesitated, and missed out on the deal, and I'm still kicking myself on that one. Kel-Tech Sub 2000 for $580 .... :bh

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Prices are silly! Good luck though.

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My trunk!

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RIP Mr. Noveske :usa thank you for your great firearms.

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forgot to add, ammo was through the roof on popular rounds. "basic grade" .223 was running around .80/rnd, green tip was $1/rnd.

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nice :tu

I think that sub 2k would have made a PERFECT trunk gun, bag gun, whatever. Particularly since it could have folded into a pack and stayed HIDDEN if needed.

That, and its not a "scary" AR or AK, so I avoid the automatic "and which school were you on the way to?" line of questions if someone ever looked in the trunk....

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Francis pretty much what I saw today / fair amount of inventory HUGE price tags $50 averg on p mags, all the lower end AR's (dpms-Olympics-bushmaster) around $1800 not selling. Saw pretty many 6920's averg $2200!!! One dealer had one at $1795 (felt like a deal :r) I think the bubble has broke on the crazy crack head pricing and all the fools with more money then brains maybe fizzling out. One thing for certain I am going to remember what dealers are gouging, I am sorry they say "selling at current market value".

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I like this... Even Better...

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Ridiculous I paid 1100 each for my 6920's, people have lost their minds!!!

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Yes sir!

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I think its every guys dream atleast once to walk around to the back of the car, pop the trunk and see one of these laying in there...

Mike gets to do it legally tho... :lr

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You can shoot it when you come to town!

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You talking guns or bodies? :r

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That my brother is an offer I WILL take you up on! :banger:banger

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Exactly, 6920's are sold at Walmarts for $1059 thought I found one this morning there was local Wally World that showed one in inventory but when I called they said no.

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No dreaming needed,( just throw one in your trunk) I usually always have one of my AR's or AK's in my truck in nice padded tactile case and my pistol on me or in my center console.

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This! Guess it depends on where you live though.

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depends on local regulations. Ohio was HORRIBLE with guns in cars. A loaded magazine constitutes a LOADED GUN in ohio. yeah, that means a loaded mag in your trunk was illegal. and other horrible nuances. they JUST fixed this, should go into effect in a couple of months.

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Here in Pa I some time forget how we'll we have it.

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Went gun shopping with my friend (for him, he bought a M&P 9mm) and I got my eye on a M&P 15-22. Decent gun and super cheap to shoot

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Same here bro :tu

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I've seen a couple of them popping back into stock here and there....
Mine should come in end of next week. I've got a slidefire waiting for it, should be a blast :D

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They were available at most of the stores I went to today. The prices ranged from $490-550.

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For the .22? :tu Fun plinker for sure.

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This.

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Just picked this up yesterday, should be a great all around gun for birds and on the clay range.
Browning White Lightning 12 gauge with 28 inch barrels.
Going to break it in this morning :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...psc7c80c88.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...psde9a6c33.jpg

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Purdy! :tu

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Agreed ! :tu

In case you missed yesterday's gun show covered on the news this A.M. They interviewed vendors who said they did "a year's worth of sales in one month".

Biggest seller ? "military style semi auto" like the Bushmaster and A.R.15, and capacity clips.

When asked about the rise in prices, a very common, (and realistic) reply:
"No we aren't price gouging because of recent events. It's the manufacturers. They have stopped making them ! When they are gone, they are gone. That's the issue. "

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man, I'm raising the :bs flag on that one. Those manufacturers may not be shipping many out to the venders (cuz EVERYONE wants em), but you can be damned certain they'll keep making em right up until the last second!

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Yeh this. They're still making them, the supply line between dealer and manufacturer is just depleted right now

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The shop I was in sold 300 AR type guns last week, they had to hire Four more sales people.
Also said they sold a truck load of 223, heck when I was at the counter a guy bought 45 boxes 9mm -(P

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Guess this is one way to jump start the economy, start a gun control debate.

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I will remember which scum bag dealers ( and 99% of them are, for years I have commented on how every every scam artist own gun shop) pushed prices 100% over retail. Once the idiot panic buyers leave the market these dealers will have to go back to facing there regulars, and I hope the regulars take there money else were.

If you think about these guys are benefiting from extreme volumes which should make them happy as a pig in slop, but yet they feel the need to double prices.

All the manufactures are running balls to the walls and yet the dealers push blame to them.... I have even heard of numerous complaints were the dealers are even removing the 3 mags out of the box provided by Glock in the gen 4's!!! Another buddy of mine had a Colt AR shipped to dealer and after happily looking over his new rig he noticed the 2 mags were missing that it shipped with. He even contacted the seller who right away told him the were in the case when it shipped......

Sorry guys rant over :2

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Pete I wouldn't consider the Sig 522, it's a better fire arm constructed like its big brother the 556. It also uses the industry standard black dog mags. I had the M&P 15-22 back when they came out and below $400, my sig 522 is twice the rifle.

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Hey Remo, I said 10.5" but I might go with 11.5". We'll see which barrel is easier to find when it's time to build her. I'll type my Form 1 up at work Tuesday night and when I get paid on the 18th I'll mail it all in :D

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One of the shops I went to had the sig but I didnt check the price. I'll definately look into it when I'm ready to buy one

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I would have asked him if he was willing to back that up by betting his balls on it and called him out on this BS.
I am going to two back to back shows this next weekend and the following just so I can see who are the local a..holes I will never patronize even if they are the last to have something I want/need.

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+1

Although I purchased the M&P 15-22 specifically for ergo training on the AR platform, and a little good ol fashioned fun with the slidefire, the Sig is largely regarded as the superior firearm. Better reliability, eats anything for ammo, etc.

Nutnfancy reviewed it a while back if you got 45 minutes :r: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ilpMzqDq4

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Got my holster in yesterday.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...R/IMAG0466.jpg

Gonna try it out in about an hour when we hit some stores and a hockey game.

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Sweet

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I own quite a few holsters but have never gotten one of these kydex with that large leather area and extra side clips. Let us know how that feels as I have always sought the minimal amount if material as possible. Curious as to how the comfort is with this version.
Enjoy!

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Looking good, what type of holster is that?

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ehhhhhhhh

regarding taking mags out of the boxes, that's just low and despicable...

(note that it is not my intent for this to be a defense of scumbag dealers, just an economic commentary on why raising your prices should NOT automatically make you a scumbag dealer, that title should be earned through other actions, like the jackass mentioned earlier in the thread that tried to raise the price on a forum member's rifle AFTER the member had already put money down on it and reserved it at the previous price. THAT is a scumbag.)

but in terms of prices, a counterpoint argument to that would be the need/demand based viewpoint of a classical economist. One could argue that BOTH business models (mark prices up and leave them the same) serve a viable and necessary role side-by-side in the overall consumer buying experience.

At times of high demand, the venders who leave their prices the same will sell out instantly. When they get in new stock, there will be a short rush, and then they're sold out again. This means that some customers, regardless of whether they "wanted" that rifle a lot or just thought now might be a good time to buy it (impulse buy), some will get it, some will not. Customers that get one are happy, customers that don't get one will continue hunting for it and hope they get lucky next time.

But for the vendors that mark up their prices, I'll argue that serve a different market. Sure, you're not happy with them, but that's OK, because honestly, you're not their targeted customer, economically speaking. I'll interject a personal example to illustrate what I'm trying to say.

I'm moving out of the country in 10 weeks. I'll be gone for a year. But for the sake of argument, lets say I'm leaving in 3 weeks. I NEED to buy anything I want before I go. I don't have a choice in this matter. In that case, I'll try my hand with the cheaper deal lottery like everyone else, at least for a week... but then my personal demand for the product rises and I'm willing to pay more to have it right now. Or maybe my father's birthday is next week and I really have a specific item in mind for him. In those cases, I have outside mitigating factors that make me willing to pay more for the convenience of having an item RIGHT NOW than you would be.

In that instance, a vendor who chooses to inflate his prices becomes a good thing, because that vendor will the only one available that still has stock on hand to cater to the smaller group of customers that have a higher demand and need for the product than the average buyer. I am grateful for a system that not only votes with it's dollars, BUT ALSO recognizes the inherent value in having both types of vendors in the marketplace. If everyone were forced to keep their prices low, by dearth of law or simply sheer terror of guaranteed and immediate public shunning, then someone like me with a higher need for the product would be S.O.L. when it came time to buy.

The market needs a balance, enough fear of the public voting $$'s that most will keep their prices low and let the public play the supply lottery, but also enough understanding from the public that some vendors can raise their prices and cater to the other side of the market that has a higher need for the product right now. If everyone had high prices, there would be a segment of the market (those unwilling or unable to pay higher prices) left out in the cold. But equally, if everyone had cheap prices, there would be a segment of the market (those able to, or willing to pay the higher prices) also left out in the cold. We need both!

I see a lot of people angrily decry that they will vote with their dollars elsewhere when this is over, which is fine, I support and encourage the capitalist system's freedom to do so. But when raising prices suddenly becomes synonymous with scumbag, I have to draw the line there. It seems that some of the persecution leveraged at the higher priced vendors is just a misunderstanding that they are serving a different market, but a valid market nevertheless. In those cases, I'm sad to see the consumer voting with their dollars like that over a misunderstanding...

I have purchased some stripped lowers at higher prices than necessary for this exact reason. In stock, or shipping before the end of January is my target. If I was willing to wait until March to have my product, I would have had many many more options in terms of what I purchased. (legislation won't take effect until after that anyway). But I needed the product now, so I paid the higher price for the in stock lower instead of the backorder one.

just my :2 on the subject (I also happened to be an economics major in college, which influences my view a bit :))

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I believe his was made by tommy theis of theisholsters.com

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I havn't either, but I might get one for my next holster... having the extra leather behind the slide to keep it from digging into me just looks damned comfortable to me!

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Bit of a minimalist myself, here are my 3 I usually use. Ankle mainly for the winter, little neoprene one just to throw in my lower back. They all fit my compact or full size.

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