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Mugen910 12-17-2009 10:55 AM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Calexan (Post 684219)
I guess to me it just seems like the photographer matters more than the camera.... I would much rather see a photo from a POS Nikon/Canon taken by a pro photographer, than from a Pro Level Canon/Nikon in the hands of a beginner.

Ive seen some pretty amazing pictures from the low end D40s and Rebels......

If I can find it..there was one photo I took this year while in San Fran of that curvy street...It was off of a side view mirror...I've gotten some nice compliments on it..it was with a Nikon.

I do tend to agree with Joey though..even a low end DSLR makes some diff over say a Nikon power shot...But then again my love for photos is avg.

kenstogie 12-17-2009 11:06 AM

Re: Photography Thread
 
I think you can get great photos from some basic equipment, if you follow the "parameters" and limitations of that equipment.

DBall 12-17-2009 11:28 AM

Re: Photography Thread
 
I just went and bought a couple lenses to play around with:

Nikon 55-200mm f/4-5.6G ED AF-S VR DX


and just for fun a cheap fisheye from Amazon:

.42x HD Super Wide Angle Panoramic Macro Fisheye Lens

:D

Mugen910 12-17-2009 11:29 AM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DBall (Post 684260)
I just went and bought a couple lenses to play around with:

Nikon 55-200mm f/4-5.6G ED AF-S VR DX


and just for fun a cheap fisheye from Amazon:

.42x HD Super Wide Angle Panoramic Macro Fisheye Lens

:D

Whoa...no cigars for you for a few months :D

DBall 12-17-2009 11:46 AM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 684262)
Whoa...no cigars for you for a few months :D

Dude... they were cheap... about $200 for both.

The telephoto was $161 refurbished and the "fisheye" was $27

MarkinAZ 12-17-2009 11:48 AM

Re: Photography Thread
 
My daughters cat Skitten kickin' back on the sofa (she's a Manx):

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/g...IMG_0295-1.jpg

Mugen910 12-17-2009 11:49 AM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DBall (Post 684277)
Dude... they were cheap... about $200 for both.

The telephoto was $161 refurbished and the "fisheye" was $27

what? Linky please!



Nice pic mark...haha

ir13 12-17-2009 11:56 AM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Calexan (Post 684219)
I guess to me it just seems like the photographer matters more than the camera.... I would much rather see a photo from a POS Nikon/Canon taken by a pro photographer, than from a Pro Level Canon/Nikon in the hands of a beginner.

Ive seen some pretty amazing pictures from the low end D40s and Rebels......

I completely agree with you, but in capeable hands there will be a drastic difference in quality from a d40 to a 1ds MIII

DBall 12-17-2009 12:45 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...G_ED_AF_S.html

and

http://www.amazon.com/Panoramic-Fish...1079089&sr=8-1

Darrell 12-17-2009 01:25 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
I have the 55-200 VRII. Is your VRII? I hope so. :D

DBall 12-17-2009 01:53 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 684357)
I have the 55-200 VRII. Is your VRII? I hope so. :D

It's the one listed above... all I know is that the VR is in red. I just took a few shots on my lunch break off the balcony... holy hell... what a zoom!

I'm gonna do a bit of skateboarding this weekend and we'll see if it takes good action pictures.

Darrell 12-17-2009 02:02 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DBall (Post 684380)
It's the one listed above... all I know is that the VR is in red. I just took a few shots on my lunch break off the balcony... holy hell... what a zoom!

I'm gonna do a bit of skateboarding this weekend and we'll see if it takes good action pictures.

Cool.

I have my eye on an 18-200 after Christmas. :D

ir13 12-17-2009 02:46 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 684383)
Cool.

I have my eye on an 18-200 after Christmas. :D

Dont waste your money on that. Get a nice used 70-210 f/4 and a wide angle. The optics in the 18-200 arent that good IMO.

Dux 12-17-2009 03:24 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DBall (Post 684260)
I just went and bought a couple lenses to play around with:

Nikon 55-200mm f/4-5.6G ED AF-S VR DX


and just for fun a cheap fisheye from Amazon:

.42x HD Super Wide Angle Panoramic Macro Fisheye Lens

:D


I have the 55-200 VR / Really wonderful Lens :tu

DBall 12-17-2009 03:47 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
I was looking at Tamron's 18-270 that boasts 15x zoom... sounds like a great all around lens if it functions as advertised.

JE3146 12-17-2009 07:29 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ir13 (Post 684411)
Dont waste your money on that. Get a nice used 70-210 f/4 and a wide angle. The optics in the 18-200 arent that good IMO.

I mentioned that to him already...

~70 - ~200 is the sweet spot for lens makers of all brands.

Why anyone would want an 18-200 is beyond me. I've yet to see an optic in that range that impressed me.

:confused:

Mugen910 12-17-2009 09:04 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4ZACkRetH6k/Sy...2/DSC_0011.JPG

I took soo many pics and out of about 20 only 4 were decent.:confused:

Mugen910 12-20-2009 02:34 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Everything was on auto...still have to learn how to use it manually :(

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/attach...6&d=1261344711

Wolfgang 12-20-2009 06:20 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JE3146 (Post 684717)
I mentioned that to him already...

~70 - ~200 is the sweet spot for lens makers of all brands.

Why anyone would want an 18-200 is beyond me. I've yet to see an optic in that range that impressed me.

:confused:

Being a photographer means getting the shot and if you miss it by changing lenses you aren't doing your job.

with 10+ megapixels like in most DSLR's these days so what if the corners are a little soft or there is some vignetting.

Your shoulders will thank you for not carrying around a heavy bag full of lenses. Anyone can be a lens snob or a brand junkie. It comes down to the skill of the person. :2

Roland of Gilead 12-20-2009 11:47 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang (Post 688450)
Being a photographer means getting the shot and if you miss it by changing lenses you aren't doing your job.

with 10+ megapixels like in most DSLR's these days so what if the corners are a little soft or there is some vignetting.

Your shoulders will thank you for not carrying around a heavy bag full of lenses. Anyone can be a lens snob or a brand junkie. It comes down to the skill of the person. :2

While I agree that "getting the shot" is important if you're a photo jounalist, I do believe that you won't get published as a sports photog if the shot isn't tack sharp with a great Bokeh. This is where glass is everything.

-Mark.

DBall 12-21-2009 07:24 AM

Re: Photography Thread
 
I need to find out how to take good action shots. For instance, of skateboarding... where the subject is moving, but not super fast, however the board is moving fast, like in the middle of a flip trick (where the board is spinning and flipping and the person is moving much slower over it). Any suggestions?

Wolfgang 12-21-2009 02:38 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
What camera? Increasing Shutterspeed will help accomplish this but it all depends on available light. Adding another flash will help too. Or you can go out and spend 5K+ on a lens that has a lower Fstop.

Mugen910 12-21-2009 02:39 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
ok question....

I took a photo (non moving object) and it needed more light. Besides adding more light on top of the flash. Do I increase the iso or exposure? What's the effect?

Wolfgang 12-21-2009 02:42 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roland of Gilead (Post 688821)
While I agree that "getting the shot" is important if you're a photo jounalist, I do believe that you won't get published as a sports photog if the shot isn't tack sharp with a great Bokeh. This is where glass is everything.

-Mark.

Going back to Darrel who was wanting the 18-200. Is he looking to have photos published and make "art" or is he looking to capture a moment at hand?

Blueface 12-21-2009 02:42 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 689457)
ok question....

I took a photo (non moving object) and it needed more light. Besides adding more light on top of the flash. Do I increase the iso or exposure? What's the effect?

Increasing your ISO will provide you with more light but will also provide you with more grain.

To compensate for light, either open up your f stop (but you do lose depth of field, meaning objects that are near each other won't all be in focus) or you can reduce your shutter speed (which is OK as you said it is not a moving object, so blurring is not an issue). Practice shooting slow shutters and if you move too much, use a tripod. Or better yet, do both shutter and f stop.

DBall 12-21-2009 02:44 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang (Post 689455)
What camera? Increasing Shutterspeed will help accomplish this but it all depends on available light. Adding another flash will help too. Or you can go out and spend 5K+ on a lens that has a lower Fstop.

Nikon D5000... no flash except the built in one (in fact, I wasn't using even that) and under what, I believe, were fluorescent lights.

Wolfgang 12-21-2009 02:45 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 689457)
ok question....

I took a photo (non moving object) and it needed more light. Besides adding more light on top of the flash. Do I increase the iso or exposure? What's the effect?

Lowering the Fstop will allow more light to hit the sensor (or film) but this can make the picture have a shallow Depth of field . Increasing the ISO cam make it grainy. So if you need more light and it is a stationary object the best thing to do would be to raise the fstop to around F11 and have a longer exposure (tripod required) and an ISO of 200 to 400

What camera are you using?

Blueface 12-21-2009 02:46 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DBall (Post 689467)
Nikon D5000... no flash except the built in one (in fact, I wasn't using even that) and under what, I believe, were fluorescent lights.

Dan,
For what you are looking for, best route is expensive. You need a fast lens.

Blueface 12-21-2009 02:47 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang (Post 689470)
Lowering the Fstop will allow more light to hit the sensor (or film) but this can make the picture have a shallow Depth of field . Increasing the ISO cam make it grainy. So if you need more light and it is a stationary object the best thing to do would be to raise the fstop to around F11 and have a longer exposure (tripod required) and an ISO of 200 to 400

What camera are you using?

Sounds like we both know what we are doing as our answers almost mirror one another.:r

Wolfgang 12-21-2009 02:47 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DBall (Post 689467)
Nikon D5000... no flash except the built in one (in fact, I wasn't using even that) and under what, I believe, were fluorescent lights.

Nikons SB-600 would do the trick. It is a more powerful flash than the on board one that will freeze the object mid frame.

McSmokey 12-21-2009 02:47 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Anybody in here do old school in the dark room black and white photography? I have a fair amount of paper and film from when I spent my life in the local colleges dark room. Anyone interested shoot me a PM

Blueface 12-21-2009 02:49 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang (Post 689474)
Nikons SB-600 would do the trick. It is a more powerful flash than the on board one that will freeze the object mid frame.

That is my flash.
Well worth the money.
Add a Gary Fong Diffuser to do indoor and anyone will shoot like a PRO.

Blueface 12-21-2009 02:52 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by McSmokey (Post 689476)
Anybody in here do old school in the dark room black and white photography? I have a fair amount of paper and film from when I spent my life in the local colleges dark room. Anyone interested shoot me a PM

Personally, I haven't done that in years. With digital, don't even see the need to ever use all my medium format equipment, let alone 35mm. Digital is much too easy of a way to go.

McSmokey 12-21-2009 02:55 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
I myself am working towards a Digital Nikon but with a baby coming in January my camera will probably have to wait a few monthes

Mugen910 12-21-2009 02:57 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang (Post 689470)
Lowering the Fstop will allow more light to hit the sensor (or film) but this can make the picture have a shallow Depth of field . Increasing the ISO cam make it grainy. So if you need more light and it is a stationary object the best thing to do would be to raise the fstop to around F11 and have a longer exposure (tripod required) and an ISO of 200 to 400

What camera are you using?

Thanks for the info blueface & wolfgang.

Nikon D3000

My cousin is letting me borrow his 200mm lens he got at Circuit City when they were closing their B&Ms. You said it's a crap to be able to zoom too much right?

Wolfgang 12-21-2009 02:58 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
I took this picture using only my cameras on board flash.

picture info.
18mm
F7.1
1/200 sec
ISO 400

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...810/Steven.jpg

Wolfgang 12-21-2009 03:00 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugen910 (Post 689492)
Nikon D3000

My cousin is letting me borrow his 200mm lens he got at Circuit City when they were closing their B&Ms. You said it's a crap to be able to zoom too much right?

I think its great to have the capability to zoom. As long as there is enough ambient or supplemental light you are golden :-)

DBall 12-21-2009 03:01 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang (Post 689474)
Nikons SB-600 would do the trick. It is a more powerful flash than the on board one that will freeze the object mid frame.

Do any off-brand ones work close to as good? That flash is more expensive than my 55-200 lens!

DBall 12-21-2009 03:03 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang (Post 689495)
I took this picture using only my cameras on board flash.

picture info.
18mm
F7.1
1/200 sec
ISO 400

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...810/Steven.jpg

What about quicker moving things like kickflips/tre flips/etc. where the board is whipping around... have you taken any of those?

Seeing pictures like this confirms that I have no clue what I'm doing with my camera...

kgoings 12-21-2009 03:05 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DBall (Post 689500)
Do any off-brand ones work close to as good? That flash is more expensive than my 55-200 lens!

If you want a good blog on strobs and lighting check out

http://strobist.blogspot.com/

he has a deal setup for packages here

http://www.mpex.com/page.htm?PG=Strobist%20Kits

Wolfgang 12-21-2009 03:06 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by McSmokey (Post 689489)
I myself am working towards a Digital Nikon but with a baby coming in January my camera will probably have to wait a few monthes

IMO (not that i weigh in with much) Get it now with all the deals. Canon T1i or Nikon D90

You will certainly be glad you did with the screamin deamon comes. Plus you get to share all the cute pictures with us.

P.S. Old nikon lenses work with new bodies. Just have to manual focus. :rolleyes:

DBall 12-21-2009 03:06 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
And another question... what's the difference between the SB600 and the SB400 and/or something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/318AF-Digital-...1433097&sr=8-9

or

http://www.amazon.com/Bounce-Coolpix...433097&sr=8-10

:confused:

Mugen910 12-21-2009 03:06 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DBall (Post 689504)
What about quicker moving things like kickflips/tre flips/etc. where the board is whipping around... have you taken any of those?

Seeing pictures like this confirms that I have no clue what I'm doing with my camera...

:tpd:

Mugen910 12-21-2009 03:07 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang (Post 689509)
IMO (not that i weigh in with much) Get it now with all the deals. Canon T1i or Nikon D90

You will certainly be glad you did with the screamin deamon comes. Plus you get to share all the cute pictures with us.

P.S. Old nikon lenses work with new bodies. Just have to manual focus. :rolleyes:

if you know how to use BING.COM you can get a d3000 for about $400 after rebate

Wolfgang 12-21-2009 03:07 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DBall (Post 689500)
Do any off-brand ones work close to as good? That flash is more expensive than my 55-200 lens!

Yes off name brands work well also. Im currently using one from the 70's lol

I have little experience with off names but hopefully someone will chime in soon.

Wolfgang 12-21-2009 03:09 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DBall (Post 689510)
And another question... what's the difference between the SB600 and the SB400 and/or something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/318AF-Digital-...1433097&sr=8-9

or

http://www.amazon.com/Bounce-Coolpix...433097&sr=8-10

:confused:

The second one looks like a great deal. The first one I dont really know.

Wolfgang 12-21-2009 03:14 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Pop shove it to fakie

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...0/DSC_2119.jpg

F4.5
1/160 sec
ISO 800
Onboard flash

Wolfgang 12-21-2009 03:15 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Shamelessly stolen from Kgoings in case anyone missed it.

If you want a good blog on strobs and lighting check out

http://strobist.blogspot.com/

he has a deal setup for packages here

http://www.mpex.com/page.htm?PG=Strobist%20Kits
__________________

McSmokey 12-21-2009 03:22 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Are the Nikon D90 and D5000 the same camera?

DBall 12-21-2009 03:22 PM

Re: Photography Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfgang (Post 689528)
Pop shove it to fakie

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...0/DSC_2119.jpg

F4.5
1/160 sec
ISO 800
Onboard flash


Damn. I really need to learn how to use my camera.

Nice shot!


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