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Rizzle, I doubt you will find one credible sportswriter who will say in print where his cohorts can read it that
Alabama should have won that game. They lined up in huge lines to say it on FRIDAY and SATURDAY morning, but no one said it on Sunday. I love Alabama, except for one day a year. But I do not love LSU so much that I will just say homer-istic things about them to make myself feel good inside. If you had beaten us, even by one, even in regulation, I would have congratulated you, because that's the kind of game it was. Everyone had ample chances to make good on the opportunity in front of them. If you had the team to win by 14, you should have won by 30, because we gave you all the chances in the world. But the measure of a good team is not perfection, but the focus to remain in the game despite your mitakes. Jarrett Lee was good enough for 8-0, but not good enough for 9-0, so he got yanked. He made his mistakes and the rest of his teammates erased his errors for him. The Tide failed to erase the mistakes of their kicker and their coach who put him IN position to fail. Pooch punts would have been the better choice on the last two missed field goals. Moving the ball against the Tide was TOUGH, nearly impossible. Les Miles used his superior balance to shackle the tide with bad field position over and over. Nothing said Saban had to keep going for the big pass or the trick play. You didn't see Les Miles reaching into his kooky bag. --edit--- Personally, I hated the way Miles was forced to play, FAR too conservative for his tastes or mine. But in the end, that's how he won the game. If Saban had even QB sneaked three times and kicked the 3, he might have won the game. But it was only a game. I only wanted to explain my statements, balance in all three phases of the game is a very desirable quality, as is having people to fill in holes. The only place we are thin in 2011 is on the offensive line. |
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They might need to change the way they do things to play in the SEC, though, I will give you that. The spread is fine for a lot of conferences, but you need meat to compete in the SEC. You will need the ability to grind the ball late in the game like LSU and UA. You play LSU with the spread and they are going to clean your clock. But now that you can recruit Arkansas, Missouri, TN, KY, Illinios, etc, you will FIND the bodies to play SEC football. |
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hitting me with your homerstick. Can you explain gross deficiencies in the kicking game? Can you deny there is no logical way to get a sack in Overtime unless my team is well-rested or yours is exhausted? Can you come up with a reasonable excuse for 101,000 [minus the paltry 3000 tickets you made available to LSU] couldn't WILL a "superior team" to victory at home? I don't want to just pound away with blablabla just because it's what I DO, lol. I want you to accept reality or tell me where I am wrong. Of course you don't HAVE to, your previous response is good enough to prove my point, but I am just not sure how you arrived at your generic, wild claims. ;) |
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And remember, I value my friends more than being right, so I will eventually give you waht you want and shut up,
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Neither one of those teams has a depth advantage over the other. They are about as even as they can possibly be from top to bottom and, no, I'm not forgetting about the 2's either. What, you don't think we rotate players all night long? Whatever dude. And as far as balance, coming into that game Bama had 1834 rushing yards and 1827 passing. LSU had 1512 rushing and 1465 passing. In the game, Bama rushed 31 times for and threw it 29. LSU rushed it 41 times and threw it 17. The numbers now stand with Alabama having 1930 rushing yards, 2026 passing. LSU has 1660 rushing yards, 1556 passing. If those numbers are inferior and cost us the game, so be it. I guess my definiton of inferior differs from yours. Primarily...primarily...the kicking game cost us. There are some other factors as well, but obviously one field goal would have made the difference. Please show me anywhere that I mentioned bad luck as the reason we lost. And if you don't know how ticketing works for home and away games, I can't help you there, bro. Inferior talent and balance. Please. |
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My comment regarding luck was not pointed at you but at jjirons, who didn't mention luck either. But since you
brought it up, sure, a lot of fans of the Tide might think, it was just the breaks, dumb luck, we shoulda beat LSU. So just because YOU didn't say it, and it was never meant for you to begin with, there are certainly those who WILL. But on to your points, your use of stats was impressive, but they leave out the main stat that was my point. Not that you didn't know what I meant, either, you just ignore it because it throws out 1/3 of your argument. If I meant balance between run and pass, my statement has no merit whatsoever. I am saying that in the three phases of the game, offense, defense and special teams, LSU has better balance, and it is what we used to beat you. Your argument is like the bodybuilder with huge muscles and a tiny dic&. Sure you can attract women, but you can't do anything to please them once you get em home. In terms of run and pass, Alabama beat the hell out of LSU. You had far more big gains through the run, and maybe as many or better yards through the air. But when the game was on the line, OUR balance was better, we had not just capable people to punt and place kick, we had EXCEPTIONAL people. Alabama's kicking game was insufficient to score from the places our defense forced you to attempt from. Again, you did not have to miss my meaning, I laid it out for you, never once even hinting that I meant run/pass. You killed us running and killed us passing. We stiffened in our end, but you made it look easy up until you were turned away. And at that point, Nicky, you had better have recruited a kicker. He didn't. The two teams were extremely even, I happen to think we are deeper, and I'd bet we are. But I also think we are faster and better coached. But that is opinion, well the coaching part was kind of shown in the game, too, but Nick is no slouch. But if you aren't comparing what I am comparing, of course you are going to think I am wrong. Still there is no doubt that LSU has a more balanced team across all three phases of the game. If it were not so there is no way we win. |
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I DON'T know how ticketing works for home and away, not at all. I have only been to one SEC game.
But people who DO KNOW about it stated that it was a surprisingly small amount of tickets. Doesn't matter. 100,000 plus didn't help you guys enough to make the difference. And when you say a field goal would have made the difference, I say NO, 4 missed field goals would have made the difference. You can't prove a negative. If you want to be the superior team your fans made you out to be for two weeks at every place anyone would listen, then you have to BEAT LSU. You can't say we were the better team because only one more kick would have given us a tie and two would have meant the win. The game is timed. You have 60 minutes to get it done. What you might have done if you had had an 18 minute 4th quarter or another down in OT is irrelevant. Your coach made his choices, his players made their plays and you need to live with the result. And don't be too mad at me, this is fun for me. I had to listen to the pundits and the botls for weeks go on and on, "fixing that for me" in replies, all the people said LSU was going down. But they didn't, and the WAY they made sure they won exposed what I term a weakness in your team. You and I can have fun, and I hope this IS fun for you, but I am not making this up. We have superior balance through superior special teams. BAMA is awesome, we just did what was necessary to beat em. |
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Talking to you is like talking to my 2 year olds. LSU has better special teams than us. Unfortunately for us, it came down to that. Shouldn't have, but did. That's the way it goes sometimes.
But having better special teams, doesn't make you more "balanced", it just gives you an advantage in one of the three phases of the game. Tickets... LSU's allotment was 7000, That's about the average number that SEC teams give/get. I don't know where you're getting your numbers from, other than heresay and I don't operate on heresay. West Virginia gave you 5000. Our stadium is for Bama fans and I'd imagine LSU's stadium is for LSU fans. I'll see if I can dig up what y'all gave us last year, as if it matters, but I'd hate to be all "homeristic" and not debate you with facts, which you seem to not understand anyway. :D |
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It doesn't matter about the tickets, I said I didn't know and I don't. My point was I thought that your fans would make some kind of difference with the huge differential. Like I said, I saw LSU-Vandy in 1983 and that is my experience in SEC stadiums. My argument, from the two-year old perspective, is that I felt like the two teams were basically even in offense and defense and LSU had a significant edge on special teams....If the teams are even and one has an edge in one phase of the game, that team is more balanced because the other two phases basically cancel each other out. The only way I allow myself to say "significant edge" is because we made all our field goals and Bama missed 4. We consistently punted you guys into your own 10-20 yard line over and over. I hate it for you, too, that the kicking game decided the outcome. But again, from what I hear from Bama fans, you were the better team, so it needn't ever have come down to that. But I will stop badgering you, you can't be swayed by facts or stats and I am not an a$$hole, just a fan of the winner. |
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Best I can find, the SEC mandates at least 5000 tickets be given to the visiting team. I know we have "agreements" with UT and Auburn to provide a bigger number each year, along the lines of 9000.
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a game through kicking. You are a super-power, but less balanced than LSU which can score in three ways without much effort. You can score TWO ways without much effort. I am not saying you can't score in the kicking game, I am saying it has to be a chip shot. ;) Nah, I am not an a$$hole, just mis-understood. WHo am I kidding, I am a huge a$$hole, ask anyone who knows me. But I guess I am not TRYING to be one here. |
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I'll say this. You'd make an absolutley perfect Auburn fan. :noon
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And I didn't mention it before, because I was refuting your outrageous claim that LSU was way more balanced, but Matthieu is a punk. Pure punk. So there's that, too.
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Don't mis-understand me, I think Bama and LSU are the two best football teams in the country. I have nothing
but respect for the team that held us SO stymied through 60 minutes that we were lucky to escape with the win. What I mean when I say all this is 1.) I knew we would win and told all of you that weeks ago. 2.) I think that being equally capable in all three phases of the game makes LSU by far the more balanced football team. 3.) Winning the game by 100 or 1 means, by the only yardstick that ever counts in the record books or in the BCS selections for the NCG, that LSU is the top team in the country. Love you guys, but you just didn't do what it took to walk away with the nomenclature No.1 team in the country. WHAT IS SEC football but a bunch of homers bragging about their own team? This time it just happened to be for big, big stakes. Tyrann Mathieu is a superbly skilled football player that PLAYS like a short, unwanted recruit. He runs his mouth far too much to suit me while he is on the field, and he does some really dumb things once every coupla games. But he is just one more reason you guys were beaten. He was there when he needed to be there, knocking down passes, tackling players much bigger than he was in the open field, and making our defense stout enough to throw back the second most talented team in the USA. And he is a punk. But he's OUR punk. :r |
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OK, that was below the belt...
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Geez, one little game of the century goes awry and the thread is a ghost town on a Thursday, :r.
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Sheesh, one little post about one little game of the century and this place is a ghost town on a FRIDAY, too.
I guess everybody's various teams chances are shot to $hi+ and it makes it quite un-fun to be in the SEC thread. I can think of at least three games worth watching. Can't believe with the contingents of USC ad UF fans we have here that there is not a single post about it today. UT needs to knock off Arkansas this weekend so they can be fired up on Thanksgiving. And naturally, I am looking to the Bulldogs to knock off Alabama this week. I think they are utterly deflated after being embarassed at home last weekend and will roll over and beg against MSU. Likely not going to happen, but a man can dream. |
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AHAHAHA, I can't believe someone answered my prayer. It's the GIRL WHO SAID, "that ain't IT is it? It's OVER??"
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Lets go Gamecocks. Looks like everyone will be back in the game this week with the exception of Lattimore, of course. Lets shake off that loss to Arkansas and put the foot down on Florida.
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I do need Auburn to come through today for me.
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Lets go DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wow, you'd think there would be less drama this week, but I just read the rundown of games slated for
today and there is a LOT to play for this week. Last week was make or break for us, it looks like this week is make or break for 2-3 teams. I am so torn on this UGA versus USC matchup. Historically I prefer the dogs, but I have a lot more cigar buddies from the Palmetto State. I think I will pull for USC today, and it's the first one served up this morning. I am wondering who will be Lincoln Financial's SEC game of the week now that CBS is showing a game early? Looks like it would HAVE to be Kentucky versus Vanderbilt. No contest, haha, I'll have to watch CBS. I might flip back and forth, Vandy is really making me proud this year. good forthem, good for the SEC. |
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Good pick Brad. SC pulled off their end of the deal. Now...I need Auburn to come through for me.
On a side note....SC needs to get their shiz together and come up with a pass defense or they are going to get rolled by Clemzuhn. |
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But, that's just my opinion, of course. He is a punk. He will always be a punk. He stands a strong chance to eventually fail at life because he was not mentored from being a punk. Thank goodness, the SEC will be represented in the national championship by a bunch of punks, thugs and dope-heads! Either that, or we have to accept that they are all so darn stupid that they know nothing at all about anything to understand that their behavior off the field makes them losers in life! Just sayin' And, I see no logical defense of the lack of moral fiber of MANY of the LSU players, except to stick your head in the sand and ignore ALL the facts of the recent past. And the theory of "win at any cost" IS NOT in the spirit of the game of college football. But, if they are training for the pros, then, I guess the ends justify the means?? There. I've talked about the "white elephant" in the room that nobody else wants to see or discuss. Maybe now the thread will come back to life and we can discuss the games that are upcoming. However, don't get upset with me when I fail to root for LSU to win the national championship if they play for it. I just can't accept the stain on the SEC from a team that the dopers and thugs of the team will bring to the game. That is my right, and is based on being raised with a set of morals that do not support "winning at any cost". And while the "books and records" will not ever show anything other than the wins and losses, I will make as bold of a future prediction as were made about LSU winning against Bama. "The LSU players that were involved in the beat down of the U.S. serviceman (and the person he went to help) and the players that were on the synthetic dope and paid NO price for it WILL end up as losers in life." But then, LSU will still show up as winners in the records, so who really cares, after all, right? |
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Now...
As to SEC.... As much as I hate to, I have to pull for Auburn to beat Georgia. I've never been a fan of Georgia. I think Vince Dooley coaching there when I went to Bama may have something to do with that! But, on the other hand, that means that I'd have to pull for Steve Spurier in the SEC championship game...... Decisions decisions decisions. I'm actually thinking I'll just grab my rifle and head to the woods for some afternoon hunting, and let the games take their course. Right now, it sure looks like Auburn and Georgia are fairly well matched. Unless one of the offenses gets tired of running up and down the field, this game may go to who throws the final TD pass! As to Bama and Miss. State..... This one is always a bittersweet game for me. I have to pull for Bama, of course. However, State is where my mom graduated from (with honors) which was a little special for a female in the 1940's! Plus, my favorite Uncle was a past head of the school of electrical engineering there (he passed away a couple of decades ago), and I have several first cousins that graduated from State! Plus, Stat has a cheese making business that makes some really good cheese! Can anyone guess where my mom's family is from?? Still, as much as I would like to see State as winners, I don't pull for them against Bama. Can they beat Bama. Of course. It's that "any given Saturday" theory. However, I don't see Bama as being so beat up and "disgraced" from last week's game that they would fail to rise to the challenge of State. Of course, if we have the same refs that call completed passes that are down as fumbles, then who knows! It's always difficult to play against the other team AND the officials!! But, in the SEC, that is always a strong possibility, no matter who is playing who! |
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Nice fumble, Georgia! But, there is no doubt, that WAS a fumble. Even SEC refs could get away with miss-calling that one!!
Yep.... Starting to look like the winner of Georgia/Auburn will be whoever scores last. OMG! ROFLMAO!! Auburn fumbles it right back! Someone needs to wipe that ball down. I think it has pork lard on it! |
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Whew, that's a lot of pent up rage from not posting for 6 days. I wonder what Nick Saban was smoking,
allowing himself to be outcoached by a crazy dope pusher? Forcing his kicker to do the impossible because his offense couldn't score in the red zone against a bunch of hopheads. The Fabulous, Furry Freak Brothers go into Tuscaloosa and block out 101,000 screaming fans and walk out with the win. Hehe, what a great game that was. See ya next year Bama. |
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stadium. And you're unhappy with the way they called the game? You need a new prescription Kid... With the recent advances on the internet, you can watch that clip over and over and over and over. You can see your player a full foot off the ground and his gloves OUTSIDE the gloves of the LSU player whose own gloves are on the football. By the time the play was "down" as you describe it, the LSU player had full possession of the ball. Keep in mind, this was not reviewed with three bad camera angles and reverted to the call on the field. The replay officials made the right call, and you are apparently still too pi$$ed off to accept it. What you need to remember for the future is that the true champions play to a level that utterly negates the possibility that a game will ride on one call, one interception, one tackle one fumble. You guys got outplayed, out-kicked AND outcoached. |
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argument I made against the Florida Gators a few years back, and they called me a crazy a-hole then. One of their players was videotaped in close-up trying to poke another player's eyes out. Another of their players was arrested for being drunk and asleep at a stoplight. You know who does these kinds of things, Kid?? Kids, young men, people who have been exceptional at sports their whole lives and have never had to face up to anything bad because people always sweep it under the rug or give them the second chance they probably deserve. And there are as many on the UA team as that UF team and the current LSU team. Right now you sound like 95% of all the UA fans, still in shock that all of you and all of the national and regional sports media were WRONG. THAT to me is the white elephant no one wants to talk about. Or is it that USC beat UF and Oklahoma State POUNDED their opponent with 68 points and one more of your rematch scenarios went bust. And if you support UA, then you SUPPORT win at any cost. It's the same reason they paid Nick Saban more than any coach in the USA. It's the reason you have such good recruits. It's the reason you are a national power. You just don't see it because you are a fan. That and nothing has come out about it. it's high level college football.......please, spare me. |
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You know, Brad... I went to great lengths NOT to attack you personally, or even from an angle. I talked about the game, and stated my opinion.
Guess that is you! You owe me, and others you chose to attack personally an apology. Sorry, Brad. That's just the way the forum works. Attack ideas and the game. But leave personal attacks off the open forum. |
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crafted a post that was offensive to me but chose your words carefully to avoid being viewed as an attacker? That's how it reads to me given all you wrote. I am the only LSU fan that posts in this thread, if you make wild and unsubstantiated statements regarding the character of the team I pull for you are likely going to hear about it from me. Why don't you quote the alleged attack. |
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As to the bad eggs on Bamas team???? Don't give generalities. Give specific, fact supported names... I've seen this argument from you in multiple posts. Never once saw any specifics.
And, Bama hired Nick away from Miami. Not LSU. When will LSU get it right that they lost Nick to Miami, not Bama. Seems simple, really. I've got several high school friends that went to LSU. They also can't seem to get that right! Why did Bama hire Nick? Because we wanted someone to straighten out the mess created by the hiring of the past coached. And we paid him what it took to get the coach they felt could accomplish that goals. Paying coaches money. I just don't see how that equates to cheating????? Again, we can all go to the press and see the examples of character run amok on the LSU team (those stories that weren't quashed). Quote me specifics and sources in Bama, or leave that tired argument at the door. We all know the accuracy of "They Said". As to why the thread is gone dry..... Maybe guys are tired of personal attacks for stating there opinion about LSU! |
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It is difficult to cut and paste parts of threads on the phone. And I'm in woods, headed out on foot from hunting.
How about saying I need to change prescriptions? How about multiple direct references to me personally? Why is it, that stating my opinion about your team (not about you, there IS a difference) is an attack on you? Anyone that disliked LSU automatically attacks you? Come on Brad. I could easily have attacked your opinions, instead of simply stating my opinions. That IS NOT the same thing as all the direct references to me, and how my opinions are wrong because they are negative towards LSU. Opinions are personal. Attack me all you want. It still does not change the FACTS that LSU players have some major character issues that have gone unpunished, all in the name of winning. Again, the facts are facts, and stating them does not make that an attack against you. It IS an attack against LSU. Difference. |
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Wow, this is almost the same as what happened with Rizzle. You make arguments that have nothing to do with
the point. Maybe I do the same thing, who knows. I am not upset about Saban being at Alabama. I don't care where you guys got him. I am saying that teams that believe in Win At Any Cost pay a coach more than any coach in history to that point. That's my point. I don't care why you hired him, that's for the board of whatevers to decide. As for players that are "bad apples" or whatever term you might want to use, again, I am not saying that there are specific players, the point I am making, and likely made elsewhere is that you guys go for the top recruits and you get a lot of em. I doubt you do an exhaustive background check. Every team in the highest level of NCAA success likely has a statistically accurate sample of players, good character and low character. I don't claim we are better than anyone else at the top. I am just saying there is no way in hell that UA has only the good boys. That's naive and ridiculous. And how perfectly can I make my point? Thank you Jerry Sandusky. Penn St. has never had a HINT of trouble with the NCAA, and has been held up for DECADES as being the best of the best in how to do it right. I am guessing I don't have to remind you what is going on up there right now. |
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On to SEC action. Texting with my daughter about chili recipes, she tells me that since I left to go hunting, Auburn's QB has not looked good, and that Auburn is not (apparently) going to be the one to upset Georgia's applecart.
Oh well. That's the way the ball fumbles! Now I've argued about LSU so long, I have to hike out of the woods in the dark. Without a flashlight. Thank goodness for iPhone apps! Flashlight uploading. |
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Yes, you said derogatory things about my team, I refuted them. I did not do it gently enough for you I guess, given the recent whipping your team got, I should have been more sensitive. Check your prescription? That is an attack? It's a joke about your inability to see, or apparently to even LOOK at the tape after the fact. Or maybe to SEE what it SHOWS. The tape is absolutely clear in what it shows, an interception. My multiple direct references to you stem from you being the single person today who is making multiple wild statements about drugs and misbehavior. You want me to speak to the wall? I could care less personally about what the players at LSU get caught doing. I am not holding them up as choir boys, cause it's football. Again, they're kids...AND athletes. I am not attacking you. I am looking at your post and tearing it apart logically. This is a discussion forum. Most of what you say is actually indefensible and I am pulling it apart to show you where you are wrong. You can do the same to me, I could care less. You mis-interpret what I said. I don't feel attacked in the slightest. I have nothing against you whatsoever. You being wrong is not a character flaw. |
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By "wild statements" by the way, I am saying that your 'rant' is full of sarcasm and hyperbole, I get that. Mine too.
I am not saying you have no right to spout off about moral fiber and bring your own upbringing into it as if it has anything to do with the LSU players or the bama team for that matter. I didn't even comment when you made a reference to an ex-serviceman being beaten, all on Veterans Day weekend. I am guessing that all Marines in bars are choirboys, too and would never provoke a famous black athlete? Did you know that the Marine in question has a criminal record? Does it matter? I know you have made a few attempts to get back to football in this thread, and that is fine. But it was not me that brought up all this bad person business tonight. I only reacted to it. You can't expect me to see it any other way, actually. You would not be the first UA fan that has popped in here in a very pi$$ed off mood after the loss and said bad things about the Tigers. The ONLY thing that fired me up about your entire post was the 'they're bad, we're good' angle that I see as grossly naive and stinks of sour grapes. |
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I wonder if there is an entertaining game on that I can watch while I clean and put up these squirrels? The auburn game has lost all appeal, unless I want to count how many times Auburn can drop or turn the ball over. I still think there must be hog lard or something slippery on that ball!
I see that Tenn/Ark is on. Not really that big on either team, so nothing invested there. But maybe it will be better ball play than the Auburn game. Will have to see. Oh my goodness. Did I hear that Tennessee is looking for it's first SEC win? I all the sudden have the feeling this game may be as one-sided as the Auburn game! Time to look for other possibilities before I get my hands covered in squirrel guts and blood (yum yum)! |
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And in summary, all you have to DO is read post #332 to see why my posts contain direct references to you.
You hold that up as a main point about my insulting, sorry, attacking you. Come on, really? You say that you went to great lengths NOT TO ATTACK ME, but you are quoting me directly as the source of your rant. I do not mistake a rant for an attack, just telling you where you are wrong. And believe me, I will NEVER state to anyone in this thread, OR this forum that I feel they are attacking me. People are free to say & think what they will of me and my opinions. But I am not lying down and just letting them state things as if their word is the end all be all. I think it is funny that Rizzle thinks that discussing this with me is like talking to his 2 year old. I am fine with Rizzle, even if he hates my guts. I like him. But to you and all your fellow football fans, I am sorry if I offended any of you and that I am so forceful in stating my conflicting opinions. Hell I'm lucky, WE WON THE GAME. ----------------------- EDIT: Sorry, I forgot to fully cover over that Saban wound. I love Les Miles, I am not upset that Saban is at bama. I wish him luck as do all LSU fans. I think you actually thought that I am bitter about that. Again, I am just saying paying him 3 or 4 million a year is WIN AT ANY COST. i am not even saying that is bad. I am just saying that remark by you regarding WAAC is a little pot/kettle. There was no reference to 'cheating" from me for paying a coach top dollar. Les Miles is paid top dollar, too. It's called Win At Any Cost. |
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Not sure if I understood all I just saw on that Arkansas punt return!!
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I had no idea that the LSU QB Jefferson was accused of beating a ex-Marine. But someone here told us about that tonight.
And on Veterans Day besides...Shame on jordan Jefferson, beating such a innocent young man. http://theadvocate.com/news/678895-6...t-accused.html http://outkickthecoverage.com/andrew...al-history.php http://deadspin.com/5834470/there-ar...in-baton-rouge |
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By the way, you can watch alabama versus Mississippi State here:
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_...type/upcoming/ |
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