Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1552570)

Once again I was the last caller on McAllister's Hot Stove Show. I think it might have been actually Mark Amazon. I discussed Oswalt's WAR vs. Bailey's WAR and the price for each. Oswalt's WAR has gone down each year, while Bailey's WAR has improved each year (although by not much), but if I'm gonna spend 10-16 million, I want a big name player, not another broken down maybe pitcher. We've already got enough maybe's and has-beens. I'm mad enough at keeping Rolen at third, a has been as back-up/maybe starting SS out of Valdez, and Arroyo. Why add Oswalt?

BTW, I was supposedly ED from NC. The last caller, if you want to go back and listen. I waited so long, he finally answered my call when I was taking a p!$$ and was caught off guard. :r:r

Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1552717)

LOL. "Hey, can you hold on, I am seeing a man about a horse" :r

Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1585346)

Andy, I bet Adam a 5'er that the Reds will make it to the NLCS. Crazy or not?

Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1585360)

I thought it was to win the World Series. :sh

Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1585368)

LOL. You crack me up. You wouldn't bet the division b/c you said they will win that, but you did bet that the reds wouldn't make it the NLCS.

Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1585346)

Andy, I bet Adam a 5'er that the Reds will make it to the NLCS. Crazy or not?

Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1594451)

NLDS is a safer bet.:2

Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1594451)

NLDS is a safer bet.:2

Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1595648)

Rumors of straight up trade being laid on the table: Phillips for Cole Hamels. Not sure if this is legit or not.

Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1595648)

Rumors of straight up trade being laid on the table: Phillips for Cole Hamels. Not sure if this is legit or not.

Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1595749)

Good trade, considering the Reds biggest hole is pitching. They have a bunch of #3-5 starters and one true starter. They can score runs, and keeping Phillips when this contract expires, is a big question once Votto leaves. Phillips Gold Gloves are well deserved, but last year was a product of home score keeping and having one the year before. :2

Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1595648)

Rumors of straight up trade being laid on the table: Phillips for Cole Hamels. Not sure if this is legit or not.

Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1595856)

Ok, so lets say this trade happens. Who will be our second baseman?

Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1595749)

...Phillips Gold Gloves are well deserved, but last year was a product of home score keeping ...

Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1595973)

You are aware that he does play half of the season on the road and there is no home score keeper to help him out?

Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1596013)

I have seen multiple plays at GABP where he should have gotten errors, not saying he should have 20 more, but at least 5 balls that he got a pass on. One he booted it, and then threw it in the dirt past Votto and no error. :hm :2

Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1596013)

I have seen multiple plays at GABP where he should have gotten errors, not saying he should have 20 more, but at least 5 balls that he got a pass on. One he booted it, and then threw it in the dirt past Votto and no error. :hm :2

Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1596016)

I don't know, I feel it is a wash. He doesn't get a positive mark when he makes a play that not many other 2B's could even get to.

Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1596036)

Even so, he's still worth a sh!t ton of money, and he deserves it. I just hope he doesn't sign that big contract (for us or any other team) and wind up like Uttley.

Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1596834)

He is a good 2B, and he will probably stay in Cincinnati. The problem is, this is the year they have to win, because Votto is gone either thru free agency or a trade. Hopefully they get a trade and get some value for him. Same with Phillips, if they can't resign him, they better trade him for something. Maybe this trade talk is an indication that Phillips doesn't want to stay. :hm

Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1596841)

Phillips has said on twitter numerous times that he wants to stay here, but I don't blame him for wanting more $$$ Gotta get paid ;)

Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1598962)

And our new closer will never pitch a game this year. Madson out for the season for Tommy John surgery...:(

Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1599109)

It will be interesting to see if Marshall can be a great closer. Chapman will be a nice set-up guy.

Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1599109)

It will be interesting to see if Marshall can be a great closer. Chapman will be a nice set-up guy.

Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1599435)

'Great' and Reds pitching do not go in the same sentence, Cordero was a decent closer, Marshall won't be much better, if at all. :rolleyes:

Chapman can't pitch on the reg, and once he gets a few days in a row, he falls apart. The league seemed to have figured out that he doesn't throw many strikes and the 3rd day in a row he is worthless. His best shot is back in the rotation like he was in Cuba, but a high pitch count and as the season wears on, I think he will become even worse. Afraid to say it, but he is showing signs that his arm is already worn out. :td

Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1599582)

I haven't given up on him yet, but he's been a bust so far. And that's not completely his fault. The Reds organization has completely mishandled this kid. He should have been groomed for the rotation since day one.

Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1599670)

The Reds don't groom anyone. Just rush prospects to the Big Show without developing anything. They are supposed to have a nice farm system, its just too bad they never stay there. :td

Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 1605522)

Homer Bailey is a lot like Mike Pelfrey...loads of talent, but can't seem to put it together.

Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1605692)

Glad to see we traded away Juan Francisco. He either hit the ball a long way, or struck out badly.

Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1605692)

Glad to see we traded away Juan Francisco. He either hit the ball a long way, or struck out badly.

Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1606585)

Votto signs a 10 yr. $225 million contract and no one is hyped in here but me?

:wo

:banger

Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1606595)

Did not see that one coming, especially for such a light number. Free-agency would have gotten him at least $25M more. Brandon Phillips is all but gone now. They have chosen to move forward with Votto as the center of the team. I think it the better move. Hopefully they won't have the money to re-sign Stubbs when he comes up now. :hm


I hope they have really committed to spending the cash to keep the team competitive and don't surround Votto with scrubs because they spent too much money on him. :bh

Originally Posted by WhoDeySchenk (Post 1606601)

Actually Jim Bowden tweeted earlier tonight that even after Votto deal, Reds talking with Phillips about extension.

Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1606604)

They must be trippling their payroll. Well done spending some serious cash to remain competitive, but where is the big arm pitching staff? :confused:

Originally Posted by WhoDeySchenk (Post 1606607)

Getting Tommy John surgery:rolleyes: