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ToastedFoot 01-19-2013 10:56 PM

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in a day and age where most every Canadian freezes their back yard, skating is as natural to them as running and throwing to us Americans. With the growing popularity of the sport here in the states most northeast states are following suit. But to say its the most difficult sport to master is nonsense. A poll was taken in the late nineties of which was the hardest single feat to master in all professional sports and hands down it was facing a major league pitcher. An orb coming at you one hundred miles an hour and breaking twelve to eighteen inches before it hits the catchers glove, you have exactly .3 seconds to make a decision on attacking. I'm no expert in the field, but I bounced around in the minors for 4 years, hands down the hardest sport to make it professionally is baseball, and that's just because of pure numbers, everyone thinks they can do it but few can excel at it.

icehog3 01-19-2013 11:39 PM

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http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...hog3/Hossa.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P4VlWucGiY

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Originally Posted by ToastedFoot (Post 1784000)
Malkin still looks like twice the player Crosby is, and yes i'm a Pittsburgh'er, Suter makes a huge addition on face offs, we might be in the running this year, Crosby couldn't possibly pull his vagina in 48 games.......could he ??????

It's one game.....I may not be a Sidney fan, but he is world class. Just watch. ;)

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Originally Posted by BMack (Post 1784010)
How many people here also play/coach ice hockey?

I play on 3 men's league teams, one I have been playing for for over 20 years.

BMack 01-20-2013 12:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ToastedFoot (Post 1784028)
in a day and age where most every Canadian freezes their back yard, skating is as natural to them as running and throwing to us Americans. With the growing popularity of the sport here in the states most northeast states are following suit. But to say its the most difficult sport to master is nonsense. A poll was taken in the late nineties of which was the hardest single feat to master in all professional sports and hands down it was facing a major league pitcher. An orb coming at you one hundred miles an hour and breaking twelve to eighteen inches before it hits the catchers glove, you have exactly .3 seconds to make a decision on attacking. I'm no expert in the field, but I bounced around in the minors for 4 years, hands down the hardest sport to make it professionally is baseball, and that's just because of pure numbers, everyone thinks they can do it but few can excel at it.

A baseball has a lot more surface area than a puck and pucks travel faster, from different angles, at varying distances and hockey players knock the puck down or deflect it on a regular basis. Then you have to deflect a puck that is potentially bouncing (with sticks/skates/legs in the way) into a net, past a goalie... or from a goalie's perspective have to stop a puck that could be coming from 180* and might be deflected at any given time.

...I know the survey, yeah, yeah, "Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do because if you fail at it 70% of the time, you're a hall of famer" but that's not true. Pitches are hit almost every time a MLB batter swings, whether it be a foul ball or a fair ball, whether it's an out or not. It was amazing last year that Stamkos scored on just under 20% of his shots...because the average goalie saves over .900 of shots faced. So that makes scoring in the NHL a fair amount harder than hitting a baseball.

If you take any random pro hockey player and have him play in a men's league baseball game he will do fine. If you put any random baseball player in a hockey game, almost none of them will be able to stand up and move without falling down, let alone play. You VASTLY over estimate the amount of people that can skate decently enough to play hockey...and like I said, just because someone can skate doesn't mean they can play hockey.

I hope that argument isn't "too spirited" but, I've grown up playing and have coached both sports..hockey is far more complex to teach or play.

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1784048)
I play on 3 men's league teams, one I have been playing for for over 20 years.

Geez, 20 years on one team!? That's awesome!

ChicagoWhiteSox 01-20-2013 12:26 AM

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I played pond hockey growing up. Does that count:r

E.J. 01-20-2013 08:51 AM

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This thread has been derailed a bit off topic, but I'll throw in my $.02. Fact is, given 500 attempts at shooting a ball in the NBA(running the court, spotting up, you know the drill), Getting a hand off to get a 1 yard gain in football, standing at the plate for 500 AB's ect.....I think I could be successful at least one time. I imagine that most people with more than decent athletic skill could do the same.

I do not think most people, even those with the ability to skate, could keep up blue line to blue line with the NHLers, let alone get a puck by an NHL goalie. Hell, in reality, most adults in the United States couldn't score on a mite team. Say that about baseball, football or basketball.

The caveat with hockey is there is offsides....and the goalie. Not to mention that when that puck gets to you(it's going to be FLYING across the ice from an NHLer, not me), there is going to be a opponent coming at you to put you on the ice in a very violent manner if you don't collect that puck and do something with it QUICKLY....bla..bla..bla... Anyway, I think I could have a chance to hit a ball, shoot a ball, run a ball in the other sports.... I don't think there is a chance in Hell that I could skate on NHL ice, it would almost seem like a feat in itself if I could go blue line to blue line and catch a puck and get it somewhere in my 500 tries, not in the net, but to another player.....tape to tape....but, no....I wouldn't bet on that happening in 500+ tries.

I don't know, people believe what they want to believe....that is where I stand.



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Originally Posted by BMack (Post 1784010)
How many people here also play/coach ice hockey?

I help coach my daughters team.

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Originally Posted by BMack (Post 1784072)
Geez, 20 years on one team!? That's awesome!

Agreed.....

E.J. 01-20-2013 08:51 AM

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Oh...and my Avs are apparently not going to go undefeated.....;)

icehog3 01-20-2013 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by E.J. (Post 1784125)
Oh...and my Avs are apparently not going to go undefeated.....;)

Bumeer, E;J,....it's no doubt the Hawks are going 48-0!




:lr :wo

taltos 01-20-2013 09:35 AM

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Tom, Bruins/Hawks Cup?:D

dvickery 01-20-2013 09:49 AM

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further to the "most difficult"to play well at debate...in hockey the hitting is HARDER(and at a much higher velocity) than football and there is no 5 minute break after a hit...players just get up...skate to the other end and hit again.

try this and then hit a baseball.

love hockey
derrek

shilala 01-20-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1783904)
Wait mens softball? :r:r. Following is all in fun.
I am guessing you play and must take it fairly seriously. I will just say having played baseball through high school. I could definitely smoke a cigar playing mens softball. I have had a few run ins with softball guy at work. If you think slow pitch softball played by men is a sport then golf should qualify. Golf definitely requires more skill then slow pitch softball.

No, I don't play. Just one year when I was maybe 25?
Not the point. Men's softball. Can you smoke a cigar? E.J. can, but on my team he's sitting on the bench because he's not trying enough. We'll still say Yes. Can you play with a date? No. Sport.
There's two parts: Can you take a date? Can you smoke a cigar?

I think you consider the classification as a dig or disrespect. It's not. I full well realize how hard being good at golf is. It's damn hard. But it's still a game of skill like Billiards or bowling which both require great skill to be good.
The definition of Sport:
An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.
The definition of Game:
A form of play or sport, esp. a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.

See? You can call a sport a game, but a game isn't sport unless it involves physical exertion. That's why you'd be sitting on the bench at my softball game for not trying hard enough. I expect you to eat a great big mess of dirt at shortstop, brother. :tu

shilala 01-20-2013 11:34 AM

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I grew up on a northeastern lake. Snow piles made the boards and a garden hose pulled from the basement was our Zamboni. :D
There is no sport, when viewed in it's entirety, that's tougher or more difficult to play. I don't think any MLB or NBA or NFL player in their right mind would even argue the point, not for a second.

Hitting a 90mph breaking ball might be the single toughest skill in all sports, I can buy that. I don't know what the other skills were, but it's insanely difficult even if you swing the bat all day every day, unless you can guess it's coming, then it's just a tiny bit less than insanely difficult. :lr

If a hockey player is both very skilled and very intelligent, in the case of someone like Mario, it takes that guy way over the top. To be standing behind the cage, flip the puck over the cage, and bounce it off the back of a defenseman's head into the top right corner of the goal, the only place open, that's just unreal for 1,000 reasons.

icehog3 01-20-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by taltos (Post 1784146)
Tom, Bruins/Hawks Cup?:D

I could llive with that, Paul. :)

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/Hossacup.jpg

icehog3 01-20-2013 02:51 PM

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http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/ey...me-misconducts

Old school bench clearing brawl for the Icehogs the other night....look at the number the Icehog's goalie does on the opposing netminder...and whilst wearing pink! :lr

Gophernut 01-20-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1784267)
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/ey...me-misconducts

Old school bench clearing brawl for the Icehogs the other night....look at the number the Icehog's goalie does on the opposing netminder...and whilst wearing pink! :lr

"The fight actually occurred in the second period, so it's no wonder that with 13 players tossed from the game the Griffins went on to score a franchise-record 11 goals in an 11-6 win. There had to be some tired defenseive bodies on the ice in that third period."

Emphasis added for truth! I've never seen this word before, but it seems to apply very nicely!

icehog3 01-20-2013 03:42 PM

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I like that word, Steve!

Yes, 8 of the ejections were Icehogs, so they only had 11 forwards and d-men on the bench compared to 14 for the Griffins.

Ahbroody 01-21-2013 12:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BMack (Post 1784010)
many people here also play/coach ice hockey?

used to play, coach my oldest. Can't afford to play these days as my money goes to the kids fees. He's playing on a travel ice and inhouse ice team as well as a travel roller hockey club. Dad is broke these days 3 teams is expensive.


Gomez is skating with the Sharks if you need him. Would have figured a few other teams would try to get him given their condition.

Fredo456 01-21-2013 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1784267)
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/ey...me-misconducts

Old school bench clearing brawl for the Icehogs the other night....look at the number the Icehog's goalie does on the opposing netminder...and whilst wearing pink! :lr

Nice. Takes us back to a time when players cared more about the jersey on their back and their teammates than their financial situation. I miss those days.

kugie 01-23-2013 10:33 AM

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I haven't jumped in this year yet

But I love it HOCKEY'S Back

and here for at least 8 more years. :D

Sumatra Samurai 01-23-2013 01:24 PM

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Can't believe Avs beat the Kings last night! We don't look very good, but we do have Landeskog...

icehog3 01-23-2013 02:44 PM

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L.A. apparently didin't avoid that Stanley Cup hangover even with the extra 3 months...

Edmonton looked bad last night, Derrek....word is, Luongo is coming to Alberta.

dvickery 01-23-2013 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1785727)

....word is, Luongo is coming to Alberta.

no thanks...edmonton doesnt need another flakey goaler...already got habby.

derrek

icehog3 01-24-2013 01:18 AM

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Calling Luongo a "flakey goalie" in an insult to flakey goalies. :lr

jonumberone 01-24-2013 05:01 AM

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Nice to see the Rangers get off the schnide last night!
You could feel the panic about to beset the city.

kugie 01-24-2013 05:44 AM

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Rangers came out to a strong start, but the Bruins made a good game of it as soon as they showed up to play.

Gaborik with a break away, game winner, overtime, Hatrick.
It's the stuff of play ground dreams.

Bruins Fan 01-24-2013 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kugie (Post 1786015)
Rangers came out to a strong start, but the Bruins made a good game of it as soon as they showed up to play.

Gaborik with a break away, game winner, overtime, Hatrick.
It's the stuff of play ground dreams.

Pin this loss on the 4th line CJ just loves to play them.
Rangers have to much skill for that group,and it showed.

Ahbroody 01-24-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1785977)
Calling Luongo a "flakey goalie" in an insult to flakey goalies. :lr

Would like him to go to the east or non contender in the west.

Gomez signed one year deal with the Sharks. Was suprised he didnt go to wings and hold them up for money given their current situation on the blue line.

Bruins Fan 01-24-2013 03:27 PM

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Dougie Hamilton, oh boy this kid got it, and it is what the Bruins have been missing on the blue line.
I can't believe how much CJ is praising a rookie:D

icehog3 01-24-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruins Fan (Post 1786333)
Dougie Hamilton, oh boy this kid got it, and it is what the Bruins have been missing on the blue line.
I can't believe how much CJ is praising a rookie:D

I have watched the kid play, and I have to agree, he looks real good for a rook. :tu

E.J. 01-24-2013 07:26 PM

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Losing Downie for the season sucks....

icehog3 01-24-2013 10:55 PM

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Hossa again! Hawks come back from 2-0 to win 3-2 on Hoss' OT winner. :wnr

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...g3/Hossa-1.jpg

mahtofire14 01-25-2013 01:51 AM

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Anybody see that Orr/Engelland fight? Damn!

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/115212

dvickery 01-25-2013 07:36 AM

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3 games in...oilers are 2 and 1...have had the lead in exactly 0 seconds so far this year.
acceptable record yet frustrating/exciting hockey.


derrek

Ahbroody 01-25-2013 08:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1786609)
Hossa again! Hawks come back from 2-0 to win 3-2 on Hoss' OT winner. :wnr

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...g3/Hossa-1.jpg

Meh.
Sharks down 3-1 with 12 left. Win 5-3 in regulation. Marleau has started the season like Hoss. On fiyah!

icehog3 01-25-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dvickery (Post 1786734)
3 games in...oilers are 2 and 1...have had the lead in exactly 0 seconds so far this year.
acceptable record yet frustrating/exciting hockey.


derrek

Saw the 3rd period last night, the new kid is bringing it at the right times.


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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1786776)
Meh.
Sharks down 3-1 with 12 left. Win 5-3 in regulation. Marleau has started the season like Hoss. On fiyah!

meh yourself.

cobra03 01-25-2013 12:02 PM

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Going to the Sabres game tonight. Hopefully they look better with Miller in net tonight after getting shellacked yesterday.

icehog3 01-25-2013 02:24 PM

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Miller is my fantasy goalie, so I root for them in the East (unless they are playing Ottawa). :)

drjammer 01-26-2013 07:28 AM

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Man what a trooper! Gets hit in the face with the puck but returns and scores a goal :banger

icehog3 01-26-2013 07:48 AM

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Man what a trooper! Gets hit in the face with the puck but returns and scores a goal :banger

That's what hockey players do! :D

Bruins Fan 01-26-2013 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1787108)
That's what hockey players do! :D

Tough guy

E.J. 01-26-2013 03:40 PM

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Christ, maybe the Avs could put some shots on net......:sh Don't even have to make um at this point, just make Greiss work a little....

Steve 01-26-2013 04:51 PM

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OK, I enjoy watching hockey, but I must admit I haven't really paid much attention in the last couple of years other than an odd game or two...anyone know what ever happened ro Daryl Puppa? I used to enjoy watching him keep goal when he was with the Lightning, but he kind off dropped off the map.

Fredo456 01-26-2013 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 1787266)
OK, I enjoy watching hockey, but I must admit I haven't really paid much attention in the last couple of years other than an odd game or two...anyone know what ever happened ro Daryl Puppa? I used to enjoy watching him keep goal when he was with the Lightning, but he kind off dropped off the map.

LOL, I think it's been more than a couple of years, brother: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=4415

I'm surprised, though, the name was only vaguely familiar to me, but the guy had quite a lengthy career.

AdamJoshua 01-26-2013 06:37 PM

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Is this where Bruins fans come to saw we rock, yet secretly don't trust Rask in goal?

(entire family from Boston and I lived there for 18 years so I'm not a "omg bruins are so good / pink hat'er")

Steve 01-26-2013 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredo456 (Post 1787295)
LOL, I think it's been more than a couple of years, brother: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=4415

I'm surprised, though, the name was only vaguely familiar to me, but the guy had quite a lengthy career.

It's been several years since the "Puppa Scuppa" has been in net, but he was fun to watch back in the day :D

cobra03 01-27-2013 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1786894)
Miller is my fantasy goalie, so I root for them in the East (unless they are playing Ottawa). :)

I like Miller, but the way some people around here talk you think he was a bum. He does whine a bit from time to time but when hes on hes pretty damn good. Now if we could get more than one line to score we might be better off. Our top line has 20 points in 4 games the rest of the team has 11.

icehog3 01-27-2013 12:47 AM

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Hawks 5-0.


That's all.

Bruins Fan 01-27-2013 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamJoshua (Post 1787299)
Is this where Bruins fans come to saw we rock, yet secretly don't trust Rask in goal?

(entire family from Boston and I lived there for 18 years so I'm not a "omg bruins are so good / pink hat'er")

No not me Rask won the No1 job two seasons ago, Thomas got in got hot and went on to win the cup and Vezina.
Rask is fun to watch he stands up and just glides around the net he makes it look easy.

drjammer 01-27-2013 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1787108)
That's what hockey players do! :D

Amen brother:D

Too bad the Avs looked like crap yesterday :mad:

icehog3 01-27-2013 08:00 PM

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Hawks are 6-0.

That's all.

AdamJoshua 01-27-2013 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruins Fan (Post 1787425)
No not me Rask won the No1 job two seasons ago, Thomas got in got hot and went on to win the cup and Vezina.
Rask is fun to watch he stands up and just glides around the net he makes it look easy.

The only thing easy about Rask are some of the goals he lets in. He didn't win the starting job, I still cringe over the playoffs watching him fall apart, granted out D was soft a few years back but still.

Now that I live in SD, man I miss hockey, I refuse to pay for the "NHL Network" for 1/2 season even if they give a discount so it's going to be a lot of watching highlight clips till the playoffs this year.

"Jesus saves....and Looch scores on the rebound!"


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