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Yep this weekend I'll be running with the top dogs at the Regionals...

I'm gonna shoot my 6.5x47L....the X ring is only 5" at a 1000 and the complete 10 ring is obviously 10"


I get my Short barreled .308 to 1000 pretty easy and accurate Shawn with ...44 Grains varget w/175 SMK's with Lapua Brass...I wouldn't bother with the 168's past 600...but don't discount the 155 Scenars!!

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I run 44 gr 4064 with 168 @ 600 and have no issues with 5"

I'll try Varget w/175. 4064 is accurate in my rifle.

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Very nice

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I'm looking to begin reloading my own rifle/pistol shells. In the past I reloaded shotgun shells when I shot trap with my old man but the brass reloading looks to be more complicated. Anyone who reloads have any suggestions for a first purchase setup? Any information would be appreciated.

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Hal,

Depending on how many pistol shells your gonna reload...if hundreds than I'd definetely get a progressive press for that task. If your only loading fifty or so once in a while then a single stage will do you and you will have it for your rifle reloading as well.

A good single stage press will serve you well such as a RCBS Rock Chucker or similar type press, get yourself a Lee handprimer, scale, trickler, dies, calipers for measuring and some misc, that should get you started.

Depending on how far and where you want to go with your reloading it will or could ultimately end up looking like this!!! and this is just part of mine!!

[IMG]http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/y...p/IMG_0401.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/y...p/IMG_0402.jpg[/IMG]

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Cigarcop whats the thing with the two propane tanks on it in the first picture? for melting lead?

HK3, If you have a friend that reloads try his set up out. My friend allows me to reload at his place and has a nice dillon 550( I think) progressive reloader. I love the set up and think I may get one for myself one day, once I convince the gf I wont blow myself up. the dillons are super nice! he has a 3 machine setup, one for 9's 45's and 223. if I did as much reloading as he did I would like the same set up.

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Dude, that's an extreme setup!

Good advice. I have a local buddy who reloads so I will see if he will show me his setup and let me watch him run it a few times. As far as brass goes, is it better in your opinion to buy some nice lapua and black hills shells and reload them after shooting or just buy empty brass? I guess what I'm asking is... is their a quality advantage or benefit from using different types of brass?

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That's a Bench Source brass annealer, brings back case hardened brass to its softer state.

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Hal, Lapua is about as good as you can get, but depending on what your needs are Black Hills or Federal Gold Match may work just fine. If you want to push your loads hard get the Lapua!

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:tu

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Nice setup! :tu

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I picked up a reloading kit yesterday. Going to mount it to the bench today and start reading how it works. Do you have any powder recommendations?

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Hal,
If your reloading for .308 I'd start with Varget and prob never use anything else!! Great velocity and not Temp sensitive.

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Excellent. Can you PM me a good recipe for accuracy? Powder, grain, bullets, etc.. :D

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What a set-up but I don't see a cigar cutter on the bench...lol

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Smoking and gun powder dont mix very well.

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:r You're kiddin me, it sounds like a blast!

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Just ordered my first Sig, a P226 E2 in 9mm! Hopefully should have it by early next week.

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I don't even have a place near me that I can see 1000 yds. freely. I was just out shooting 300 yds. with a bunch of different guns, from .223 to .300WM without a problem at all in a 5" circle. It was a lot of fun but left me wanting more of a challenge. Even my old '03 Springfield .30-06 is accurate in standing pose at that distance. I'm ready for these longer distances you guys are talking about but I have nowhere near by.
I thought my reload room was getting too much stuff but now that I have seen Cigarcop's I think I am justified in spending a few more thousand dollars on it.

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The event I was in (1000 Yrds shoot) this past weekend went well except for Sat when the winds were 20 mph+ and switching at some points making it very difficult to read the conditions. On Sunday the winds weren't that bad and I won the match that day shooting a 197 out of 200 with only 3 shots in the 9 ring....11 shots were in the X ring:)
The overall results won't be posted till next week.

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Sounds like you did really well. Congrats! :tu

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congrats on the win.

My Fri shooting was great at the 175 loads were on target. Sat was HOT and the mirage and wind made for an interesting day. I was shooting 168s and and the conditions moved them all around.

We did get the bright idea to take a Nagant and shoot it with 178s out to 600 yds. Surprisingly we were able to keep it in the center of a tractor tire every shot once we got the hold under down.

Then at a 1000 yds we were able to get a 6'x6' grouping...:r

The sights suck, the trigger sucked and my shoulder hurt like hell after 20 rounds.

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sounds like a fun day, and doing more than plinking is always fun

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Anyone see anything wrong with this picture???

http://oldchurchbbq.com/sharedpictur...ith%20this.jpg

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Um i am not the most profecient person in firearms, but that clip is a bit backwards in its loading correct?

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Haha the bullets were put in backwords :r

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Ah the old HK backwards gag. Seems like the photographer (or assistant) wasn't well versed on firearms. :)

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:tu:tu :banger

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what a dumb azz

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National Concealed Carry Bill Plans Revealed
Neil W. McCabe, Editor

Dear Guns & Patriots readers,

The debt ceiling talks continue to dominate Washington, but that does not mean the battle to protect gun rights has moved offstage.

One very positive development is the anticipated re-introduction by Sen. John R. Thune, R-Utah, of his national concealed carry bill. Thune's 2009 bill received 58 votes in the Senate and with the increase in pro-gun rights Senators in this session, many have wondered why he has waited so long. I asked the Senator that question, along with questions about the BATFE's Project Gun Runner and other issues, sure to interest the readers of Guns & Patriots in an exclusive July 14 interview. My article based on the interview is part of this week's offering and we have audio from the interview in this week's podcast.

In this week's podcast, my co-host Brian H. Darling, who is a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, explains what is happening at Capitol Hill with the debt ceiling talks and the different versions of the Balanced Budget Amendment. Darling writes the "Legislative Lowdown" column for Human Events every week, and you can read his last column here. Also in the podcast, you will here my conversation with historian Robert J. Laplander, the author of "Finding the Lost Battalion," who produces our Medal of Honor Roll Call column every week. You can subscribe for the podcast at iTunes here.

Cork Graham drills down on a major flaw in how we process and value different intelligence feeds for further use by our troops. Graham interviewed retired Army Maj. John Plaster, the author of "The Ultimate Sniper," and a former operator in the Special Observation Group during the war to save our ally south Vietnam. Plaster has some scary things to say about recently declassified National Security Agency Documents that detail how during the war.

Eric Andringa writes about an importance of how we pass on a respect and reverence for firearms to our children. Andringa describes the first time he showed his stepson a 9mm and let him hold it. It is an article that should resonate with us all.

Richard L. Johnson weighs in with a review of the BLACKHAWK! recoil reducing stocks. Johnson is a career law enforcement professional and trainer. Whenever I read his product reviews, I feel like he is writing from both his own perspective and from the prospective of someone he would have to be training—like me.

This week, Nicholas Pardini joins our roster. Pardini is a professional money manager and financial analyst, who has written for the Seeking Alpha website, as well as other venues. This week, Pardini explains how the Federal Reserve debases our currency in his article "The Dangers of the Federal Reserve."

We are also joined by a new friend and contributor David Adams, the president of the Washington Chapter of the Society of the Third Infantry Division. Adams, who rose to the rank of Captain during his service in the Vietnam War and the Cold War, writes about our WWII landings on the south of France, Operation Dragoon. This operation is often called the Forgotten D-Day, and was a major part of the success of the Normandy invasion because it opened up a second front. There will be ceremonies Aug. 4-7 commemorating Operation Dragoon in Washington, D.C.

This edition is so chock full of great articles—a better e-newsletter, a millionaire's money couldn't buy!

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44910

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My new Sig came in today, love the way the grip feels. Hopefully it cools down this weekend so I can spend some time at the range!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...12/photo11.jpg

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:D

http://operatorchan.org/k/arch/src/k...ar%20bills.jpg

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^^ No doubt! Funny but true........

Picked up a few boxes of unprimed Hornady Match brass to reload. Managed to load two different batches of twenty five rounds so far. Still waiting for my rifle to be done and it's driving me crazy that I still have not gotten to shoot it yet. :td

In the end I took my reload "kit" back and bought the components separate. Yeah, it cost a lot more in the end but I got some upgraded things that the kit doesn't offer. The electric powder measuring system is wicked cool.

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LMAO! I can't believe that error was allowed to be printed.

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Washington’s Gun Dean in a July 25 interview said the lesson to be learned from the July 22 massacre in Norway is that strict gun control leaves unarmed citizens helpless before a mad gunman.

"The recent mass murder in Oslo, Norway demonstrates that decent citizens need to be able to acquire and use firearms for the defense of their lives and the lives of their loved ones,” said John M. Snyder, the senior gun rights advocate in the nation’s capital and a founding member of The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Snyder, who operates the website www.GunRightsPolicies.org , said, "The message is clear. Gun laws do not stop mass murder. Citizens armed with guns do. Guns save lives.”

"When Anders Brevik allegedly murdered nearly 100 civilians, he used an automatic firearm, according to a police reports, even though the civilian acquisition and possession of such arms are prohibited in Norway, which generally has restrictive firearms laws," Snyder said.

After the reports to police of the killing rampage, it took an hour and a half for law enforcement officials to arrive at the scene. Brevik apparently continued the killing spree until he ran out of ammunition, he said.

"What all this tells us is that the strict Norwegian gun control laws did not prevent the mass murder," Snyder said. "They did make it virtually impossible for a prospective armed Norwegian legally to have the gun which he or she could have used to take down the violent criminal perpetrator anytime during the 90-minute horror."

Other incidents indicate the same truth about citizens and guns.

A couple of years ago, on November 11, 2009, Maj. Nidal Malik Hassan allegedly killed 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas and wounded many others before being stopped heroically by local police, he said.

Even though this occurred at a military base, service men and women were prevented from having the guns they could have used to stop Hassan because of a Clinton-era policy preventing American military personnel from being armed at bases in the United States, he said.

On April 16, 2007, Seung-Hui Cho murdered 32 people and then himself at Virginia Polytechnic Institute. Even though the Commonwealth of Virginia has a law allowing individuals with a state-issued permit to carry a concealed firearm, VA Tech policy prohibits professors and students from carrying guns on campus even if they have such a permit. The policy did not stop Cho, but it did prevent anyone from being able legally to stop Cho.

Just last fall, the Al-Qaeda linked Internet magazine Inspire encouraged lone wolf militant Islamist terrorists to go into restaurants in downtown Washington, D.C. during the lunch hour, and fire away at diners in the hopes of killing a number of people, including federal employees. Washington, D.C. prohibits even law-abiding citizens from carrying firearms. The powers-that-be there render law-abiding citizens defenseless in the face of a potential mass-murdering terrorist.

Contrast these incidents with the January 16, 2002 incident at the Appalachian Law School in Grundy, Virginia when two students with guns stopped what could have been a mass murder when they tackled a culprit after he had killed three people.

Consider, too, the October 1, 1997 incident in Pearl, Mississippi, when an assistant principal at a high school went to his car, got his gun and shot the murderer of two students.

Recall the April 24, 1998 time in Edinboro, Pennsylvania when a bystander pointed a shotgun at the murderer of a teacher when he stopped to reload.

"As a matter of fact, citizens with guns stop crime two and a half million times a year, according to Professor Gary Kleck, Ph.D. of the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State University in Tallahassee."

"Fortunately, federal legislators are beginning to realize that guns can be used to stop crime. Over 240 Congressmen have cosponsored H.R. 822, the proposed National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011 by Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., he said. "H.R. 822 would allow people with permits to carry concealed firearms issued by a state to carry in other states. Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., has committed to introduce a national reciprocity bill in the near future, too.

"The word is getting around. Gun laws do not stop crime. Citizens with guns do. Guns save lives. Support national right to carry reciprocity,” the Gun Dean said.

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This makes me want to go get a handgun. My father owns about 3 or 4 so I might just talk him into taking them to the range with me or something. :tu

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Not near $5 bucks if you reload,....... maybe $1.35:tu

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/y...p/IMG_0282.jpg

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/y...p/IMG_0275.jpg

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^^^ Now that's badazz!

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Cigarcop, amazing setup, both the reloading room and the rifle.

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I won this golf bag at a cigar event...I don't golf. So I put it to good use for something else.

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._3646871_n.jpg

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Gotta love those Kimbers!!

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:tu

But we want to see the guns not the golf bag :r

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That's funny right there.....at least its a Callaway!

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When I get a chance I'll have to lay the guns out and get pics. I don't have any of just the guns.

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Got my Indiana Life time personal protection permit today :banger. Now I'm on the search for a Glock 30 :dr

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Congrats. Shouldn't be hard to find yourself a glock.

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I was out in the woods shooting with a buddy and I was shown a rapid fire trick.
He held his thumb pointing into his hip through the trigger on a Ruger semi-auto carbine. Then he pulls the gun forward with his other hand on the forestock. The gun empties the ten round magazine in an instant because the recoil resets the trigger but the pressure is still there to shoot it. The accuracy sucks but it's a fun way to make noise. The rate of fire seems a lot higher than regular full-auto guns. All my life I've been shooting and never saw this before. I think I've heard of it though. In fact, I remember some device that sounded like it worked on this principal.
I figure it's like $3 or $4 per second.

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There is also a shoestring trick and an AK to shoot mag dumps.

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That works with any gun, it's a neat trick but I don't like not being able to aim properly. Like you said it's painfully expensive depends on what kind of ammo you're shooting.

I dunno about the rate of fire I've never done this or compared it to a full auto. But I do remember shooting a full auto MP5 and I have to say DAYYYUUUUMMMM. But it cost me about $10 a clip (or $10 every like 2-3 seconds) :td

Good times though, and worth it.

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I sold my eotech sight, so now I can use that money to buy a AR lower to put on an upper I aleady have. (I'm tired of switching upper receivers back and forth.) So should I try to build my own from a kit, or buy a complete lower? I feel handy/smart enough to assemble it but I am worried about getting into it and suddenly needing a special tool I don't have. Part of me wants to enjoy the challenge of assembling one, but mostly I am looking to save money. But I'm willing to spend a bit more if it means getting it done right. BTW getting the lower delivered to me is no problem; I have a FFL lined up already.