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Everybody take a deep breath and stop the whining about the non-calls! :su :) The Flyers know they can't let him/them camp out in front of the net for as long as him/they want. IMO, the Flyers are doing exactly what they need to do.

Players that camp out in front of the net have been getting slashed, crosschecked, etc. for a long long time. It's always been a part of the game. I realize the league has started calling some of that tighter in recent years, but they've continued to allow more aggression in front of the net than anywhere else on the ice. The Flyers are pushing that envelope each game to see how far they can take it. IMHO, there are, and should be two unwritten standards for penalties; those in front of the net and those elsewhere on the ice.

It could also be an East/West Conference thing. The competing for territory in the slot seems more commonplace in the Eastern Conference, as is cycling around the boards (meaning chip in, and battle for possession via cycling - not cycling passes per se). It seems the West doesn't play those styles as much and it's more of a transition game. Again, I don't watch a ton of Western Conference games, so I could be wrong.

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Congrats to the Hawks on the win....let's hope they can keep it up in Philly. Really enjoyed watching the defense control both sides of the puck.

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I was actually being somewhat "tongue in cheek", Joel. As a player, i miss the days when D-men could defend that area in front of the net. And Pronger is one of the best at it. It's just too bad for the Flyers that he can't play 60 minutes a game. ;)

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I would have guessed you felt that way. :tu
Ain't that the truth, no matter whose team he's on. Laviolette may try though! :r

Coburn has done an admirable job being their 2nd big tough defenseman, but he doesn't compare to Pronger (he did look very good last night though).

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I agree, I thought Coburn looked excellent last night....must be nice to have two big defensemen. I think the Hawks should have hung on to Wiesnewski, he would have looked good paired up with Sopel.

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I think the Hawks have enough depth at D as it is!

Although he had a solid season this year, Coburn can be frustrating during the regular season (especially last year (08-09), when I thought he was only average). But it seems he picks it up during the post season every year.

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did i see a different game than the rest of you???

i thought philly dominated the hawks or played even with them for all but 38 seconds.

pulled a rabbit out of their hat again...good for them.

go hawks
derrek :hm

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You didn't see a different game (or two) than I, Derrek. I thought Philly outplayed the Hawks in periods 1 and 2 of Game 1, and periods 1 and 3 of Game 2.

Fortunately for the Hawks, Niemi let in one less goal than the Flyers' goalies in each game. :)

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I saw it the same way. Niemi won them game 2 IMO.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zjzxP3utNM :D

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hahahaha love it.

Game 3, GO HAWKS!

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4 Hours...... :D

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After that hit, they showed one of the Hawks taunting Carcillo, telling him 'That was the best hit you've had all year!'

lol

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Nice video Tom:r

Tonight I think its all about penalties. I think the Flyers won't be able to control themselves, and spend a lot of time in the box. The hawks will need to convert PP's. If the Hawks can weather the storm in period 1, control the puck, and stay out of trouble, they will win. Easier said than done I believe:D


GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:dance:

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By the way, last night on Sportsnite they said that Vince Vaughn picked up Dustin's tab at a restaurant in Chicago:banger

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Looks like your analysis was off.

Not only did the Flyers not take too many Penalites, they were the ones who capatalized on Hossa and Byfuglys slashing penalties while killing their penalties. Byfugly actually hurt them more then helped them tonight. Two penalties one resulting in a PPG.

In all honesty I was glad to see the Flyers win this game and make this a series. They got hosed in game one on a play that should have been blown dead because the puck touched the player on the bench which seconds later resulted in a goal. That game should have went to OT and been anyones game. I found it funny how no one wants to talk about that little gift when it resulted in the game winner.

Game 2 was a 1 goal game in which Philly outplayed the Hawks but Niemi saved the day. Game 3 was a 1 goal game flyers. Take out getting hosed in game 1 and you have an even series. Take out Niemi standing on his head in game 2 to save the day and the Hawks could be down 3-0 in this series orit could in fact be 2-1 flyers if they had not gotten hosed in game 1. I said before the series started Philly was going to give the Hawks everything they could handle.

Sorry but a good nuetral take is needed in this thread. The Hawks are lucky to be up 2-1. Yes lucky because they got lucky that the play was not blown dead as it should have been in game 1. Philly out played the Hawks in game 2 but Niemi saved the day. I really think this one could go the distance. The Hawks also showed fustration tonight taking retaliation penalties. That happens a lot when a team is getting pushed around.

All I can say is boys looks like we got us a series and I am very glad we do. Before the Habs series I said the Flyers would win and give the Hawks a run for their money. :=:

The Hossa Curse may still live to kill another team :r

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I've refrained from saying too much because I am, admittedly, not neutral. But I agree with much of what you said. :tu

Can't wait until Friday :wo....sucks I'll be watching from the non-hockey hotbed of NC.

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I got REAL tired of hearing 'flyers should have been called on that'.

Seems the refs did everything in their power to give this game to the flyers, and it worked.

Officiating in these finals is horrible. virtually every hawk gets an elbow in the face on contact. Pronger should have been called on the cross check BEFORE buff slashed the stick.

It goes on and on.

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I got REAL tired of hearing that too...being it was coming from an ex-Blackhawk. All I can say to your entire post is :r and Waaaaaaah!

There were several non-calls against the Flyers last night. Of course, I realize I am looking through orange colored glasses, where Blackhawk fans are looking through red ones. I know it's hard, especially this time of year, but if it's possible to watch the series being neutral (and without the sound and Olczyk's commentary) I believe it's been pretty fair.

Did anyone honestly think Carcillo's hit should have been a penalty for charging? The puck was right there and he made a play. IMHO, if you did, the red glasses were too tinted. Even Olczyk said he didn't think it was charging (of course he still try to say there should have been a slashing penalty, but...whatever). That being said, I'm not complaining about the call. I'm just using it as an example of the other side of the coin. Non-calls both ways...bad calls both ways.

Personally, I love it! And I think the Flyers do too. Watching Byfugly (like that nic :tu) and many of his teammates whine to the refs is great for the Flyers. Hopefully it's taking them out of their game a little bit. The fact that the fans are whining too....that's just icing on the cake!

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Absolutely, Philly has outplayed them in for much of the series. But only the final scores matter.


Wanna bet? ;)

Call me a wah-wah'er too, Joel, but absolutely. Pronger should have been called.

Hawks need to up the stakes in Game 4, so I can watch them in person skating the Cup after Game 5. :)

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Crud! I forgot the game was on last night and watched the Reds instead. :bh

Someone PM me on Friday so that I remember :r

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I like hockey but don't know everything, last night I kept saying just shoot the puck to the Hawks. (and some other choice words) I also have to agree there were some bads call or lack there of. I am looking forward to Friday nights game.

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No doubt they *could* have called a penalty. If they did, I don't think Pronger would have *****ed about it. I wouldn't have. But they *could* have also called a high stick on Toews later in the game. Briere didn't let it effect him. Or did that non-call not count? ;)

*where I say could, some may say should. Not every infraction on the ice is called a penalty though. :2

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I only remember seeing one replay of the hit, but I want to say he left his feet, hence the charging call.

The refs have been quite laid back on penalties but we do have to remember it's A) the playoffs and B) the finals. Playoff hockey, especially SCF hockey, is called differently than the regular season. The little things, slashes, picks and interference are easier to get away with - Pronger has almost perfected this - in the playoffs when the refs swallow their whistles.

There have been missed calls for both sides, but it's more noticeable with the Flyers, who play more of a clutch and grab obstruction style ("old time hockey") than the Hawks.

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I agree with just about everything you said. As for the last statement, it kind of goes back to the East vs. West styles of play, since, IMHO, there's generally a difference between the Conferences.

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Ass!
Hell no I dont want to bet you. I seem to nail my predictions as long as I dont bet. So be scared. :r

You payment is all boxed up just want address confirmation.

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The new rules are supposed to prevent this, but just like the Red Wings, the flyers are now getting away with it. Its not whining, its a fact. They get away with it.

Old time hockey is not glamorous or something to reminisce about, it was embarrassing. The broad street bullies are one of the reasons hockey to this day is not taken seriously. People who know nothing about the game see Slapshot and hear people talking about the 'good ol days' and think that is what hockey is like today.

The flyers *still* have that mindset and now the officials are letting them get away with it.

I am not a Hawks homer, I won't defend point by point every infraction, but there is clearly a double standard when it comes to what each team is allowed to get away with, and its just hurting the game of hockey.

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Thanks Mike....Now bet me, I need all the Karma I can get!! :r

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Joel, I absolutely agree that calls get missed all the time, both ways. I just think Pronger gets away with more than most. Here was an article I found on web today. Sorry for the "homer bias", but I have been waiting 40+ years for this. :r

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It was fun, Mike...thanks for being a good sport.

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Very entertaining game. Listening to the 3rd period on XM on the way home from work last night, the Chicago announcer kept apologizing for being a homer, but said, "I don't want to sound like a homer, but if I see something I am going to call it." He must have said this or something similar to it every time Pronger was on the ice. Pronger must have gotten away with a cross-check, slash, interference, and holding about 10 times in the 3rd period alone according to the Chicago announcer. Now reading what those who watched it say, he might not have been exaggerating.

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I always told my boys, "if the refs aren't making the calls ur playing 5 on 8 (they only have 3 refs per game) so just suck it up".

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I just had the wrong team:r


Let's hope we get some decent reffing friday:rolleyes:

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Let's hope we get a decent power play going Friday! ;)

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Hawks need to wake up. :mad:

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Wish I could watch! :mad

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yes, they do

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Was too busy to watch this game... almost glad I didn't.

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Best of 3 now. This will be the ultimate test of the Hawks' character.

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Nah, I'm cool if they stay asleep :r:r:r

GO FLYERS !!! :=:

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Things getting intense now. This is the Hawk's series if they can win on home ice....... I hope they can do it.

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Go Flyers!
Giroux, Briere and Pow... a few hometown boys!

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My family and I found a sports bar in NC to watch the game last night. The bartender said it was the most hootin' and hollerin' for a hockey game the bar ever had! :wo :wo
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Even Michelle, who doesn't watch hockey unless the Little Man is on the ice, was glued to the television the final 10 minutes of the third....

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Wanna make another bet? ;)

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Dont know if anyone noticed but the wings resigned holmstrom terms undisclosed and lindstrom 6.2 million. 6.2 million on a team that to me needs to sign some younger outside talent.

In sharks news there is a lot of talk that patty may be looking to LA given his ties to the gm, the great young roster, the fact that he has a house down there, and the wife would only be an hour from him or family by flight.

The sharks are apparently also looking at price from the habs to be the next goalie, internal rumors are nabby will be looking for a new home and clowe may be traded in the price deal.

Talked to nichol at a kids bday party. He believes he will be back net year

Hockey gossip update.

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Dont bet the hog. I guess right a lot and he got me.:r

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The B's signed Seidenberg 4 year deal. This one I like:tu
I did not like the Ference Deal but if he steps up he could be a good #4 defenseman.

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Between that, and getting Hudler back, it a good start for the Wings.

Wonder where Nabby and Clowe will end up? What do you think about Price?

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Clowe I can see going to the Habs. He has always just seemed to not really like it here. Nabby I dont know maybe the KHL,maybe he cashes in on a struggling team. Given his playoff issues and salary I just dont see the Sharks wanting him back.

Price. Ugggggh we better get some stay at home defensive players. With Blake likely not returning and Nabokov being gone there will be a little room. If Patty leaves I wont be happy. That bridge may have been burned though. I hope not. I see him staying on the west coast though.