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guitar4001 03-11-2011 03:05 PM

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so many pretty guns!

Cigarcop 03-12-2011 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JaKaacH (Post 1202420)
I posted this picture earlier, but I wanted to ask about finishes. I've always wanted to have the frame hard chromed, but don't want to spend the $220.00 to get it done.
There are a lot of good things said about Cerakote.clicky
Just wondering if anyone has used it, or had a firearm finished with this product? Its going to to be a DIY project..How hard can it be..? (Famous last words.)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...DSCN1156-1.jpg

Cerakote is a great finish, not as slick as Hard Chroming though....Ion Bonding is another alternative but will cost you. For Cerakote you will have to blast your parts in 120 Alum Oxide, clean with parts cleaner then spray and bake. For small parts you can use an airbrush and your kitchen oven. They do make a non bake product but its not as durable....just Google Cerakoting and you'll find plenty of links on the how to...piece of cake...good luck!

boom 03-13-2011 10:47 AM

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Just picked a few guns from my Mom that were may Dads and Grandfathers.... one I have no idea what it is and the other ... an 1897 Winchester 12 gauge Shotgun... lookin at the serial #'s its from 1913....Will get pics up later...

boom 03-13-2011 05:06 PM

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Ok promised pics....

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...s/DSCN0309.jpg

Winchester 1897 12 gauge made in 1913 according to the serial #, 30 inch barrel, Full choke, Walnut stock....

JaKaacH 03-13-2011 06:43 PM

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Thats a cool 1897. Another one to thank John M. Browning for..:tu

I would not shoot it though until you get it checked out. Thought I've heard of some of them having lock up problems, ejecting out the bolt/slide when fired.

boom 03-13-2011 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JaKaacH (Post 1204367)
Thats a cool 1897. Another one to thank John M. Browning for..:tu

I would not shoot it though until you get it checked out. Thought I've heard of some of them having lock up problems, shooting out the bolt when fired.

I shot trap with this about 18yrs ago... very heaving gun to sweep with... I think I am gonna let this one go so I can finance a new one

boom 03-13-2011 07:07 PM

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Here is a link to my gallery ... need help to id an un-known rifle.... Only making on it is 5. at the end of the muzzle...

http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/f...aseworks/Guns/

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...s/DSCN0282.jpg

JaKaacH 03-13-2011 09:12 PM

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Two more of my 45's.
Box stock Taurus
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...h/IMG_1575.jpg
Springfield Armory 1911 with some non box stock parts.
S&A or Ed Brown grip safety(can't remember which one I used)
Dlask trigger
Chip McCormick hammer, disconnecter and sear.
Over sized pin kit.
Full length guide rod.
Novak rear sight.
Ed Brown safety.
Houge Cocobolo grips and hex grip screws.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...h/IMG_1567.jpg

safariguy 03-14-2011 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by boom (Post 1204382)
Here is a link to my gallery ... need help to id an un-known rifle.... Only making on it is 5. at the end of the muzzle...

I will show these to my father in law. He restores antique firearms.

HK3- 03-14-2011 07:20 AM

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Very interesting rifle Troy.

boom 03-19-2011 01:38 PM

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Just got may HSC...:D

Wolfgang 03-19-2011 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by boom (Post 1210703)
Just got may HSC...:D

Congratulations!

I think it would be an interesting idea to have your Handgun Safety Certificate posted on the lawn instead of a Brinks alarm sign. lol :banger

boom 03-19-2011 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfgang (Post 1210755)
Congratulations!

I think it would be an interesting idea to have your Handgun Safety Certificate posted on the lawn instead of a Brinks alarm sign. lol :banger

:r

JaKaacH 03-19-2011 10:06 PM

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Utah names official state firearm.
And a fine choice it is..:salute::usa
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-18/u...rbert?_s=PM:US

Montano 03-20-2011 04:29 AM

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I've always wanted one of these, and I finally got one :D

http://montano.me/pics/glock1.jpg

safariguy 03-20-2011 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Montano (Post 1211226)
I've always wanted one of these, and I finally got one :D

Congratulations! Have fun with it. :noon

TBone 03-20-2011 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JaKaacH (Post 1204483)
Two more of my 45's.
Box stock Taurus
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...h/IMG_1575.jpg
Springfield Armory 1911 with some non box stock parts.
S&A or Ed Brown grip safety(can't remember which one I used)
Dlask trigger
Chip McCormick hammer, disconnecter and sear.
Over sized pin kit.
Full length guide rod.
Novak rear sight.
Ed Brown safety.
Houge Cocobolo grips and hex grip screws.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...h/IMG_1567.jpg

My Millenium Pro 45 is my carry everyday gun and use the S&W 1911 as my home defenses with a 20 round clip as a back up I have a Kurz .380/9mm that fits in the palm of my hand.

safariguy 03-20-2011 07:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by safariguy (Post 1204684)
I will show these to my father in law. He restores antique firearms.

OK I showed the pictures to my father in law. His best guess is late 19th/early 20th century maybe German gunsmith custom built and/or experimental gun. It is styled after the "schuetzen" long range European target shooting competitions that were popular then. Perhaps the 5 is 5mm. The action is something he has never seen before. The carving on the stock is more English and American style. If the stock was carved by a German it would have had a stag or a deer on it most likely. The double triggers also suggests German. Bottom line is, it's not a major manufacturer. Too bad you are so far away. We are in Michigan, otherwise he could take a look at it. By the way, here is a blatent plug for his website.

http://www.lyonsgunworks.com/

HK3- 03-22-2011 11:14 AM

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Picked up a Colt New Agent 45 auto and a set of custom mother of pearl inlaid grips today on my lunch break. Need to find some longer screws to put on these new grips.

HK3- 03-23-2011 10:57 AM

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Took a picture.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...icture3132.jpg

replicant_argent 03-23-2011 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by HK3- (Post 1214588)

Those grips look great. So does the chunk of metal they are attached to. Nice purchase, Hal. I am in the middle of debating a 1911 myself.

HK3- 03-23-2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by replicant_argent (Post 1214598)
Those grips look great. So does the chunk of metal they are attached to. Nice purchase, Hal. I am in the middle of debating a 1911 myself.

Thanks. :tu

I decided on this particular model for three reasons. 1- no top sights makes it easier to draw because the top has nothing to snag on.(it has a trench site) 2- I wanted a 1911 frame but not in a full size so this was nice. 3- some of the others that are similar have a funny bushing in the front that makes it a beach to disassemble and reassemble.

floydpink 03-25-2011 02:45 PM

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Interesting conversation at the range today.

I went to shoot my Mossberg and they have a rifle range that they allow you to shoot buckshot or slugs.

I bought some 00 Buck and he asked if I needed some to bring home as well as shoot.

I mentioned that I use #7 birdshot at home for defense and explained that the reason is to avoid overpenetration as my daughter's room is across the house. I also said I felt that steel birdshot at close range will make a bad day for an intruder.

He went on to say that if a crack head invaded my house on drugs, birdshot would make him angry and might not drop him.

While I disagree, it has me thinking about loading 2 birdshots, then getting more serious after and leaving the last 3 as buck shot.

While I am nervous about the prospect of remodeling or rebuilding the house after shooting buckshot, it sure beats the alternative.

MurphysLaw 03-25-2011 02:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by floydpink (Post 1217021)
Interesting conversation at the range today.

I went to shoot my Mossberg and they have a rifle range that they allow you to shoot buckshot or slugs.

I bought some 00 Buck and he asked if I needed some to bring home as well as shoot.

I mentioned that I use #7 birdshot at home for defense and explained that the reason is to avoid overpenetration as my daughter's room is across the house. I also said I felt that steel birdshot at close range will make a bad day for an intruder.

He went on to say that if a crack head invaded my house on drugs, birdshot would make him angry and might not drop him.

While I disagree, it has me thinking about loading 2 birdshots, then getting more serious after and leaving the last 3 as buck shot.

While I am nervous about the prospect of remodeling or rebuilding the house after shooting buckshot, it sure beats the alternative.

Here's an article about using birdshot for defense: http://shilohtv.com/?p=2490 While I don't use birdshot for home defense, it could be a viable option. I would load some 00 buck shells behind the birdshot for piece of mind, because if they're still coming after taking 2 rounds of birdshot at close range you've got some big problems...

loki 03-25-2011 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by floydpink (Post 1217021)
Interesting conversation at the range today.

I went to shoot my Mossberg and they have a rifle range that they allow you to shoot buckshot or slugs.

I bought some 00 Buck and he asked if I needed some to bring home as well as shoot.

I mentioned that I use #7 birdshot at home for defense and explained that the reason is to avoid overpenetration as my daughter's room is across the house. I also said I felt that steel birdshot at close range will make a bad day for an intruder.

He went on to say that if a crack head invaded my house on drugs, birdshot would make him angry and might not drop him.

While I disagree, it has me thinking about loading 2 birdshots, then getting more serious after and leaving the last 3 as buck shot.

While I am nervous about the prospect of remodeling or rebuilding the house after shooting buckshot, it sure beats the alternative.

have you taken drywall to the range and fired your HD load at it? if not do so

floydpink 03-25-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by loki (Post 1217056)
have you taken drywall to the range and fired your HD load at it? if not do so

Not sure they'd shut down the lanes and let me set uo my own drywall.....

bonjing 03-25-2011 04:17 PM

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Taken from "The Box O' Truth"

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm

Quote:

Birdshot as a Defense Load
I have had a lot of questions, summed up as follows: How effective is birdshot (#4, #6, #8, etc.) as a defense load?

We have done tests with various birdshot loads. Birdshot penetrated through two pieces of drywall (representing one wall) and was stopped in the paper on the front of the second wall. The problem with birdshot is that it does not penetrate enough to be effective as a defense round. Birdshot is designed to bring down little birds.

A policeman told of seeing a guy shot at close range with a load of 12 gauge birdshot, and was not even knocked down. He was still walking around when the EMTs got there. It was an ugly, shallow wound, but did not STOP the guy. And that is what we want... to STOP the bad guy from whatever he is doing. To do this, you must have a load that will reach the vitals of the bad guy. Birdshot will not do this.

In fact, tests have shown that even #4 Buckshot lacks the necessary penetration to reach the vital organs. Only 0 Buck, 00 Buck, and 000 Buck penetrate enough to reach the vital organs.

Unless you expect to be attacked by little birds, do not use birdshot. Use 00 Buck. It will do the job.

But doesn't 00 Buck penetrate too much in interior walls to be a "safe" load in a home?
Yes, it does penetrate a lot. But any load that is going to be effective will need to penetrate walls to have enough power to penetrate bad guys. If our only concern was to be sure we didn't penetrate walls, we would use BB guns. However, BB guns will not stop bad guys.

Therefore, we must use loads that will STOP bad guys, and this means that they will also penetrate walls. So, be sure you hit the bad guy and do not shoot into walls where loved ones are on the other side.
Maybe one day if I find some extra drywall lying around I'll do the test myself around the 7 - 10yrd distance.

Also good reading:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm

http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=176

floydpink 03-25-2011 04:22 PM

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I've read the Box of Truth, which has me rethinking the bird shot.

I also lost count of how many times I've read about guys dying on Turkey hunts from friendly fire, although Dick Cheney's friend made it through..

I also have a friend who works trauma in the ER and has described what a birdshot wound from close range looks like and if someone still is coming after that, I am in trouble.

I still am under the impression that at 15 yards or less, which is almost anywhere I would be involved in my house, there won't be too much spread from birdshot.

My decision would be a lot easier if the most important thing in my life didn't sleep in such a non strategic location and the thought of overpenetration didn't weigh so heavily.

bonjing 03-25-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by floydpink (Post 1217082)

My decision would be a lot easier if the most important thing in my life didn't sleep in such a non strategic location and the thought of overpenetration didn't weigh so heavily.

Then don't let me change your mind, just practice your double and triple taps :tu

floydpink 03-25-2011 05:39 PM

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On a side note, I picked up a Mossberg Maverick at Walmart last Wednesday for $175.

They cal it the Mexican Mossberg because some of the parts are made in Mexico, but the gun is assembled in the Mossberg plant in Texas.

It is nearly identical to the Mossberg 500 with the exception if the cross bar safety and synthetic stock, which can easly be swapped with the 500's stock if you want.

The only problem was it was a field model with a 26" barrel, which a trip to the gunsmith and $40 corrected and it is now 1/2 " above legal limit at 18.5".

I'll try to post up a pic later.

fireguy714 03-25-2011 05:51 PM

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anyone looking to unload a ar-15 colt or springfield or open to suggestions, im in cali so pre or post assult weapon ban, long as the 10 rd clip can be removed with that "special tool". Also looking for a barrett 50 10+ rd w or without scope, its for rabbit hunting i swear.

bonjing 03-25-2011 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fireguy714 (Post 1217144)
anyone looking to unload a ar-15 colt or springfield or open to suggestions, im in cali so pre or post assult weapon ban, long as the 10 rd clip can be removed with that "special tool". Also looking for a barrett 50 10+ rd w or without scope, its for rabbit hunting i swear.

Not sure if you're joking or not.

Colts are pretty much banned by name except one, can't remember it off the top of my head right now. Not sure if springfield is making one as I don't follow their line of goods. And 50's have been banned as well.

Eleven 03-25-2011 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjing (Post 1217148)
Not sure if you're joking or not.

Colts are pretty much banned by name except one, can't remember it off the top of my head right now. Not sure if springfield is making one as I don't follow their line of goods. And 50's have been banned as well.


Stay classy California...

JaKaacH 03-25-2011 06:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by floydpink (Post 1217138)
On a side note, I picked up a Mossberg Maverick at Walmart last Wednesday for $175.

They cal it the Mexican Mossberg because some of the parts are made in Mexico, but the gun is assembled in the Mossberg plant in Texas.

It is nearly identical to the Mossberg 500 with the exception if the cross bar safety and synthetic stock, which can easly be swapped with the 500's stock if you want.

The only problem was it was a field model with a 26" barrel, which a trip to the gunsmith and $40 corrected and it is now 1/2 " above legal limit at 18.5".

I'll try to post up a pic later.

Just asking, does that mod have to be done by a gunsmith?

floydpink 03-25-2011 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JaKaacH (Post 1217164)
Just asking, does that mod have to be done by a gunsmith?

No. Believe me, I thought of putting the barrel on the work bench and hacking it off like a redneck.

They do a much nicer job and re- crown it and it looks new.

I was going to buy a barrel online but it cost about what the shotgun.

fireguy714 03-25-2011 07:06 PM

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cali law states that clips must be perm. attatched, and you must top load through the open bolt, a speed loader doesnt work to great if your in a hurry. it is a felony for a clip that holds more than 10 rds, all clips must have a block installed, you can have a 50 rd mag but when rangers show up that 11th rd = time. Military can have 10 plus, but if the ranger is a dXXk good luck. like game hunting, if ir tube feeds more than 3, out of luck. Been stopped by a ranger they been cool with proper id for hi cap mags, but there is that one. Buddy has a belt fed ar15, cant wait to meet the rangers on that one, but rabbits breed fast and you gotta keep up. keep shooting, theres always targets:banger

boom 03-26-2011 04:01 PM

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Just put a down on my new m&p 40

Bax 03-26-2011 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HK3- (Post 1214588)

She's a beaut' Hal, we need to go shooting one day! :tu

MurphysLaw 03-26-2011 04:26 PM

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http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...eLesson-1-.jpg

gettysburgfreak 03-26-2011 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MurphysLaw (Post 1217876)


HAHA at the academy the first day of firearms training one of my classmates called it a clip and he got reamed by one of the instructors.

replicant_argent 03-26-2011 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by floydpink (Post 1217021)
While I disagree, it has me thinking about loading 2 birdshots, then getting more serious after and leaving the last 3 as buck shot.

While I am nervous about the prospect of remodeling or rebuilding the house after shooting buckshot, it sure beats the alternative.

You may only get time for one shot. Don't fnck around.
Your theory is one of a badly flawed tactical plan that borders on "I will shoot to wound him," instead of inflicting grievous bodily harm. If you pull a trigger, it should be to neutralize the threat as quickly as possible. It isn't as if you are trying to cure a headache with a half an aspirin and then take another if the migraine doesn't go away.
If any of your concerns are for your house (not your house in combination with your family behind a component of your house), you should be rethinking your priorities, the ones you have may get someone hurt or killed with that hesitation, and I don't mean the BG.
If your daughter is in a no-fire slice of the pie for your home defense tactics or practices, it should affect how you counter a threat in your home, and requires modifications of your behavior and practice drills, your preparation of your home and the people in it, and the actual actions taken by you and your family under stress to overcome that situational possibility.

floydpink 03-26-2011 07:35 PM

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Ok Pete,

So how good are you at drywall repair then?

I'm headed to Wally world for some 00 buck.

I did mention, though, that remodeling a house would be much more preferable than the alternative.

I've already had a family discussion about the dangers of guns and they aren't like the toy ones and am planning a couple of emergency scenario plans including hurricanes and home invasion.

Hopefully I'll never need either, and in the unfortunate event of a home invasion, the preferrable scenario would be an alarm going off, dog barking, and the universal sound of a shotgun racking and no shots fired.

Doing a house sweep in the middle of the night with a shotgun and limited light is what I'd like to avoid.

I'm no Steven Segal, and prefer a non violent outcome, but am fully prepared in my house and on the street to defend myself and my family.

NRA for life.

HK3- 03-26-2011 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bax (Post 1217875)
She's a beaut' Hal, we need to go shooting one day! :tu

Thank Tim. Indeed we need to. I've been itching to go.

replicant_argent 03-26-2011 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by floydpink (Post 1217963)
Ok Pete,

So how good are you at drywall repair then?

I have had a drywall knife in my hands for many, many hours.
That being said, it doesn't mean I don't suck at it. ;)

I hope your plan is well thought out, well practiced, and your family doesn't think you are a nutbag.

Ender 03-26-2011 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by replicant_argent (Post 1217988)
I have had a drywall knife in my hands for many, many hours.
That being said, it doesn't mean I don't suck at it. ;)

I hope your plan is well thought out, well practiced, and your family doesn't think you are a nutbag.

Have you seen the name of this forum?:=:

Neens 03-26-2011 11:17 PM

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It was a clean and lube day today so I took a few pics.

My two 9mm, a sig 226 and a walther pps
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...1/IMG_0023.jpg

1911s, a Kimber ultra II and a wilson combat
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...1/IMG_0025.jpg

My pocket freight train a glock 30
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...1/IMG_0026.jpg

HollywoodQue 03-27-2011 08:17 AM

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My home protection program...always locked and loaded!!!

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/.../myhumi001.jpg


http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/.../myhumi002.jpg

Merlin 22 cal rifle model 60

Marverick by Mossberg, 12 ga pump model 88

M&P by SW 40 cal semi-auto

Cobra by Colt 38 spl 6-shot

Glock 40 cal semi-auto model 27

Airweight hammerless by S&W 38 spl 5-shot

Lorcin stainless steel w/pearl handle 25 cal model L25

HK3- 03-28-2011 08:53 AM

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Picked up a Fobus holster over the weekend. Didn't like the fit so I ordered a Blackhawk leather holster online. Just can't seem to like the hard plastic holsters....

Also, looking at purchasing some type of 1911 22LR for my wife to shoot. Anyone own one or have any suggestions?

replicant_argent 03-28-2011 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HK3- (Post 1219093)

Also, looking at purchasing some type of 1911 22LR for my wife to shoot. Anyone own one or have any suggestions?

The Ruger 22/45 looks to be WELL liked.
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/d...&zipcode=55449
Put your own zip code in to see what you can get it shipped to a local store for.
While it isn't on a 1911 frame per se, the controls are designed to be pretty close, and the grip angle is precisely the same, the weight is also in the ballpark.

HK3- 03-28-2011 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by replicant_argent (Post 1219097)
The Ruger 22/45 looks to be WELL liked.
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/d...&zipcode=55449
Put your own zip code in to see what you can get it shipped to a local store for.
While it isn't on a 1911 frame per se, the controls are designed to be pretty close, and the grip angle is precisely the same, the weight is also in the ballpark.

Thanks for the link. I don't really care for that style to be quite honest. :)


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