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Bigwaved 05-09-2012 06:09 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 1633532)
Wondering what warranted this beaning????
Fear.

Blak Smyth 05-09-2012 06:15 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 1633532)
What's everyone think about the Cole Hamels suspension? He admintted to throwing at Harper, which I thought was complete "bush league". Harper has none games under his belt and has played hard and said the right things to the media. Wondering what warranted this beaning???? Are the Phils worried that Harper is stealing some of their thunder? Maybe if they weren't in the cellar of the NL East, they'd get some positive press. :2
Didn't Harper steal home? I would guess it was an immature gesture to teach Bryce a lesson?

Bigwaved 05-09-2012 06:15 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 1627937)
Was shocked to see LA come away with a sweep over DC.
Granted, it was without Zimmerman and Morse, their two best offensive players.
I thought DC was legit, but wasn't sure about the Dodgers.
They started off hot against the likes of the Pad's and Buc's, and I thought they were just riding Kemp's hot bat.
They are definitely riding Kemp's bat, but they are playing well across the board!
A blown save and no offense could not overcome the great starting pitching (both squads got solid starts all series). The Nats handed another one away last night with a walk-off dinger to the Pirates. They need Storen and Lidge back to get H-rod out of the closer spot. He stresses out and loses the little control has has harnessed. Zimmerman and LaRoche returned last night, but Werth is not gone for at least 12 weeks and Morse is still a ways out. They will not have their full roster available until way after the All-star game. They will be facing a decision with when to shut down Strasburg the last 3rd of the season as well.

Blak Smyth 05-09-2012 06:17 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigwaved (Post 1634228)
A blown save and no offense could not overcome the great starting pitching (both squads got solid starts all series). The Nats handed another one away last night with a walk-off dinger to the Pirates. They need Storen and Lidge back to get H-rod out of the closer spot. He stresses out and loses the little control has has harnessed. Zimmerman and LaRoche returned last night, but Werth is not gone for at least 12 weeks and Morse is still a ways out. They will not have their full roster available until way after the All-star game. They will be facing a decision with when to shut down Strasburg the last 3rd of the season as well.
I hope Storen is back soon, I have him on my Fantasy DL.

jonumberone 05-09-2012 06:50 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blak Smyth (Post 1634227)
Didn't Harper steal home? I would guess it was an immature gesture to teach Bryce a lesson?
Hamels threw at Harper to say "welcome to the big leagues"
Harper stole home after the fact.
I honestly have no issue with it, and don't think he deserved the suspension.
I even like the comments Hamels made afterwards, and agree with him.
Pitchers like Bob Gibson and Don Drysdale threw at guys all the time.
No one called them bush, and both are in the hall.
I think baseball would be served well if the pitchers are allowed to take back the plate.
I also believe there is a right way and a wrong way to hit someone.

CigarSquid 05-09-2012 07:05 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Brandon Inge, walk off grand slam last night in Oakland. I think I scared my neighbor since it was kinda late when that game ended.

Blak Smyth 05-09-2012 07:21 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 1634247)
Hamels threw at Harper to say "welcome to the big leagues"
Harper stole home after the fact.
I honestly have no issue with it, and don't think he deserved the suspension.
I even like the comments Hamels made afterwards, and agree with him.
Pitchers like Bob Gibson and Don Drysdale threw at guys all the time.
No one called them bush, and both are in the hall.
I think baseball would be served well if the pitchers are allowed to take back the plate.
I also believe there is a right way and a wrong way to hit someone.
I was wondering if the steal was before or after, kinda makes it cooler on Harper's end that he stole home after the hit. I don't think Hamel's should have lied about it being intentional, I like that he was honest about it.
Honestly you pay me millions of dollars and I will take a couple shots from Hamels :tu

Bigwaved 05-09-2012 03:49 PM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blak Smyth (Post 1634229)
I hope Storen is back soon, I have him on my Fantasy DL.
He may start throwing by the end of this week.

Bigwaved 05-09-2012 03:55 PM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 1634247)
Hamels threw at Harper to say "welcome to the big leagues"
Harper stole home after the fact.
I honestly have no issue with it, and don't think he deserved the suspension.
I even like the comments Hamels made afterwards, and agree with him.
Pitchers like Bob Gibson and Don Drysdale threw at guys all the time.
No one called them bush, and both are in the hall.
I think baseball would be served well if the pitchers are allowed to take back the plate.
I also believe there is a right way and a wrong way to hit someone.
Hamels is no Gibson or Drysdale. They did not need to run their mouth about where they threw the ball or why. That was the rub with this one. That was the "bush" part of it. The suspension was a direct response to his big mouth. His pie hole forced them to do it.

jonumberone 05-09-2012 04:47 PM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigwaved (Post 1634563)
Hamels is no Gibson or Drysdale. They did not need to run their mouth about where they threw the ball or why. That was the rub with this one. That was the "bush" part of it. The suspension was a direct response to his big mouth. His pie hole forced them to do it.
While I agree Hamels is no Gibson or Drysdale, part of what made them so great was their ability to pitch inside and intimidate hitters.
That is a tool not available to today's pitchers.

They were mean, nasty, and fierce competitors.
Gibson once threw at Reggie Jackson in an old timers day.
And they always ran their mouth to the players they hit.

Here are some quotes

"I hated to bat against (Don) Drysdale. After he hit you he'd come around, look at the bruise on your arm and say, 'Do you want me to sign it?'" - Mickey Mantle

"My own little rule was two for one. If one of my teammates got knocked down, then I knocked down two on the other team." - Don Drysdale

I couldn't find any direct quotes from Gibson, but it was never a mystery as to what he did on the mound.
I think the big difference is today, Harper getting hit is a story, 50 years ago it would have only been a footnote.

I also don't see how fans aren't upset about the pitch, just what was said.
Iv'e always admired straight shooters and try not to waste my time with people who look me in the eye and lie to me. :2

kelmac07 05-09-2012 04:56 PM
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I just don't understand the plunking for the sake of "welcome to the big leagues". I recall Hamels being a top prospect when he came up and also do not recall anyone hitting him. Granted, he is a pitcher...but nonetheless. I thought the whole "I meant to hit him" was complete bush league. Hamels should have kept his mouth shut and went about his business.

jonumberone 05-09-2012 05:16 PM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 1634586)
I just don't understand the plunking for the sake of "welcome to the big leagues". I recall Hamels being a top prospect when he came up and also do not recall anyone hitting him. Granted, he is a pitcher...but nonetheless. I thought the whole "I meant to hit him" was complete bush league. Hamels should have kept his mouth shut and went about his business.
Every rook that hits the field isn't going to get plunked, nor should they.
The whole "welcome to the big leagues" isn't meant to be taken literally.
The message is "you're in the majors now, you're not as good as everyone told you you are", it's an ego check.
Why Harper?
I can't think of a rookie that has come up with as much hype and fanfare as Harper has.
Harper handled it well, he made Hamels pay, and embarrassed him when he stole home.

I agree Hamels should've kept his mouth shut, I just don't think everyone should be acting like they're shocked, because he said he did it.

Bigwaved 05-09-2012 08:53 PM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 1634585)
While I agree Hamels is no Gibson or Drysdale, part of what made them so great was their ability to pitch inside and intimidate hitters.
That is a tool not available to today's pitchers.

They were mean, nasty, and fierce competitors.
Gibson once threw at Reggie Jackson in an old timers day.
And they always ran their mouth to the players they hit.

Here are some quotes

"I hated to bat against (Don) Drysdale. After he hit you he'd come around, look at the bruise on your arm and say, 'Do you want me to sign it?'" - Mickey Mantle

"My own little rule was two for one. If one of my teammates got knocked down, then I knocked down two on the other team." - Don Drysdale

I couldn't find any direct quotes from Gibson, but it was never a mystery as to what he did on the mound.
I think the big difference is today, Harper getting hit is a story, 50 years ago it would have only been a footnote.

I also don't see how fans aren't upset about the pitch, just what was said.
Iv'e always admired straight shooters and try not to waste my time with people who look me in the eye and lie to me. :2
As far as today's pitchers not being able to establish the inside of the plate goes, I agree. They are not allowed to do that anymore.

Hamels did not go to Harper and ask him if he wanted an autograph after the game. He was not trying to establish the inside of the plate either. This was not a story until he ran his mouth after the game to a reporter. Before that, it was over with. He beaned the kid. He was hit on his 1st plate appearance as payback. That should have been it.

TJarv 05-09-2012 09:02 PM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Some damn good games on right now

icehog3 05-10-2012 01:14 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
...and the Tigers bullpen gets yet another loss. :hn

kelmac07 05-10-2012 05:05 AM
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Mets continue to surprise me...SWEEP the Phillies. :wo :wo

icehog3 05-10-2012 11:43 PM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Tigers beat the A's, but Brandon Inge hits his second grand slam of the week since being picked up on waivers from Detroit. Glad for him, he is a class act...and glad it wasn't enough the beat the Tigers. :)

CigarSquid 05-10-2012 11:45 PM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Great smack. I thought they had life for a minute. I'll be there Saturday!

icehog3 05-11-2012 11:31 PM
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A's pound the Tigers, and Inge hits yet another home run...a 3 run shot in the 6th. 8 RBIs for Brandon in 2 games versus his former team.

CigarSquid 05-12-2012 07:36 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Thank you guys for him. Hope the A's save some of it for tonight when I'm there.

icehog3 05-12-2012 09:09 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garryyjr (Post 1636168)
Thank you guys for him. Hope the A's save some of it for tonight when I'm there.
Though I don't like to see the Tigers lose, I am happy for Inge....he was a great "team guy" for a long time, and I hope his surge continues (well, except for tonight. ;))

CigarSquid 05-13-2012 09:06 AM
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Inge is awesome. I was in the seats right behind home plate.. He acknowledged me most of the times I said something to him.. Lots of laughs and talking to people around the team. I am excited to have him on the team.

What an awesome game last night.. Great seats.

icehog3 05-13-2012 05:19 PM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Finally, Valverde and Benoit don't blow a 2 hitter by Verlander.

CRIMPS 05-14-2012 08:15 AM
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Rangers didn't just beat the Angels last night... they embarrassed them. Rangers ERA against Weaver for his career is now at 5.22. They are scary good right now.

jonumberone 05-14-2012 08:36 AM
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What has happened to the closers this year?
At least 6 have already lost their jobs, and it seems the box scores are just littered with blown saves.

CRIMPS 05-14-2012 08:44 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 1637118)
What has happened to the closers this year?
At least 6 have already lost their jobs, and it seems the box scores are just littered with blown saves.
Yes, tough year for Closers. I saw some stat that Bullpens have been generally bad. Not sure where I saw that, though.

Blak Smyth 05-14-2012 08:49 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 1637118)
What has happened to the closers this year?
At least 6 have already lost their jobs, and it seems the box scores are just littered with blown saves.
Yah I have 5 closers on my fantasy team now, I had mid relief guys to collect holds and now they are all closing. I don't have enough RP spots available to use them all. Considering the 2 closers I drafted where either out for the season or on the DL, I got pretty lucky to have these closers. Let me know if you need one Dom, haha.

kelmac07 05-14-2012 09:28 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Mets never really had a closer to start the season with. :r

jonumberone 05-14-2012 09:46 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 1637160)
Mets never really had a closer to start the season with. :r
They didn't plan on having a lead after the first! :D

357 05-15-2012 08:39 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Tigers blew a 5-2 lead against the White Sox. Smyly stuggled for the first time. I hope he bounces back. He's been huge so far. Fielder broke out of his slump too it seems. Still not smashing but hitting at least.

They are so frustrating. The Tigers left 13 on base. I don't know the official stats but they MUST be leading the league in total LOB for this season. They were 3 for 17 with RISP!!

kelmac07 05-15-2012 08:45 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Still shocked that after 35 games, my Mets are 20-15. I would have thought they would be like 10-25 and 10-12 games outta first place. Still enjoying it while I can. :D D

Blak Smyth 05-15-2012 08:51 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Matt Kemp on the 15 day DL, this is gonna hurt if my slackers do not step up on my fantasy team. The Dodgers need to have Eithier play well and thankfully AJ Ellis is doing well, gonna need a couple others to step up. We have a ton of injuries right now.

CRIMPS 05-15-2012 10:23 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Cy Young candidate, Bruce Chen, shuts down the Rangers. :rolleyes:

jonumberone 05-15-2012 12:06 PM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 1637758)
Still shocked that after 35 games, my Mets are 20-15. I would have thought they would be like 10-25 and 10-12 games outta first place. Still enjoying it while I can. :D D
Mets have done a nice job so far.
They are a very scrappy team.



Quote:
Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1637751)
Tigers blew a 5-2 lead against the White Sox. Smyly stuggled for the first time. I hope he bounces back. He's been huge so far. Fielder broke out of his slump too it seems. Still not smashing but hitting at least.
I really thought they would run away with that division.
There are a lot of surprises in the league if you you look at the standings.

On the positive side:

Dodgers: let's see how they do without Kemp
B'more: Just a matter of time but Buck has done a good job here
Cleveland : Lowe looks like he turned back the clock.
Cards: Albert who?

On the negative side

Boston: I thought they would take a step back, not fall of a cliff
Phills: With Utley and Howard out they couldn't hit, but I expected them to pitch. They haven't!
Reds: Decent enough, but I expected them to run away with the division
Miami: Playing better now
Angels: :td There are no words!

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-26-2012 03:08 PM
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Good start to the Sox and Tribe game

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-26-2012 03:11 PM
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Viciedo reminds me a lot of the Big Hurt..

icehog3 05-26-2012 04:31 PM
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Real pitchers' duel.... :rolleyes: :lr

TheTraveler 05-26-2012 10:48 PM
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Just gotta say Nice Game Mets! :)

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-27-2012 08:56 AM
Re: MLB 2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1643849)
Real pitchers' duel.... :rolleyes: :lr
Jake threw the ball pretty bad, but our offense picked him up. Going for the sweep today!

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-27-2012 11:45 AM
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HBD Big Hurt
http://theghostofmoonlightgraham.fil...ank-thomas.jpg

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-27-2012 02:34 PM
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Paul Konerko hits HR #400 in a White Sox uniform, 48 behind Frank now.

SteelCityBoy 05-27-2012 02:38 PM
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Pirates got their first sweep of 2012!!! Yeah! Thank you Cubbies! :D

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-27-2012 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SteelCityBoy (Post 1644184)
Pirates got their first sweep of 2012!!! Yeah! Thank you Cubbies! :D
Sad day for Cub fans, 12 losses in a row.

The White Sox can at least make Chicago proud:D

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-29-2012 11:55 PM
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Sox are riding a 7 game win streak in first place. Let's hope they keep it up for Chicago.
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theonlybear4CORT 05-30-2012 12:12 AM
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Giants are looking good again.

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-30-2012 12:15 AM
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Giants are turning it around
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kelmac07 05-30-2012 04:57 AM
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Mets only 1 1/2 games out of first...who would of thought? Not me. :wo :wo

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-30-2012 03:30 PM
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Sox are on a tear! First place at the end of May?? I didn't see that coming at all.

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-30-2012 07:50 PM
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And I thought Joe West made bad calls...
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-bi...215258514.html

icehog3 05-31-2012 12:34 AM
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Tigers bullpen blows yet another game. The epitome of an "Achille's Heel". :2


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