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chippewastud79 05-07-2011 09:50 PM
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The Reds finally lose a game in the last at bat. They always seem to find a way to eek out the close ones and today they finally lost one. They can't win 20+ games in the bottom of the ninth or extras every year. :hm

elderboy02 05-08-2011 02:58 PM
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Reds win! Reds win! :tu :banger :tu :banger :xxx

Starscream 05-08-2011 03:56 PM
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Stubbs and coCo made up for yesterday.

Nice debut by Cueto.:tu

Starscream 05-08-2011 05:02 PM
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I've discussed this elsewhere, but what do you think about us picking up Jose Reyes? I don't think they'll pull the trigger, but I don't think it's a good idea either. He's too injury prone IMHO.

elderboy02 05-08-2011 06:06 PM
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I don't think they will do it. I really like Janish.

Starscream 05-08-2011 06:37 PM
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Janish is THE MAN when it comes to playing the field, but he's never gonna be a big asset to us offensively. Reyes can do both (when he's not hurt).

chippewastud79 05-08-2011 07:52 PM
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Why wouldn't you go after Reyes? They could certainly use a lead off hitter who can run the bases. It would also give the Reds one of the best middle infields in recent baseball memory. I know Dan is a homer and loves who ever is in there, but Reyes is a better option than Janish or Renteria. Heck, give up the future league MVP Stubbs and future Cy Young winners Mike Leake and Homer Bailey. :tu

hotreds 05-08-2011 09:51 PM
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Hmm- Stubbs, Leake and Bailey for Reyes. Interesting thought!

Starscream 05-09-2011 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1257006)
Why wouldn't you go after Reyes? They could certainly use a lead off hitter who can run the bases. It would also give the Reds one of the best middle infields in recent baseball memory. I know Dan is a homer and loves who ever is in there, but Reyes is a better option than Janish or Renteria. Heck, give up the future league MVP Stubbs and future Cy Young winners Mike Leake and Homer Bailey. :tu
He would be better than Janish offensively and better than Renteria anyday of the week, but look at how many games he's played in over the last few years. Also, would we be able to afford him? For him to be beneficial, we'll have to sign him with an extension. CoCo is off the books after this year, but I don't think that'll be enough to make up for Reyes.

Doubt it happens anyway, the article that named the Reds as one of the teams that Reyes could go to was written by Bowden. Other than bringing in Phillips and Arroyo, Bowden was pathetic when he was our GM.

elderboy02 05-09-2011 07:40 AM
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Bowden was a piece of crap for sure.

chippewastud79 05-09-2011 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1257138)
He would be better than Janish offensively and better than Renteria anyday of the week, but look at how many games he's played in over the last few years. Also, would we be able to afford him? For him to be beneficial, we'll have to sign him with an extension. CoCo is off the books after this year, but I don't think that'll be enough to make up for Reyes.

Doubt it happens anyway, the article that named the Reds as one of the teams that Reyes could go to was written by Bowden. Other than bringing in Phillips and Arroyo, Bowden was pathetic when he was our GM.
Reyes does have a propensity to get injured, but when he is healthy he is a great talent, and who is to say that some of his 'injuries' are not wanting to hurry back to a crappy team. If they want a shot at keeping Votto, you have to put him in the playoffs these next three years and surround him with comparable talent. Reyes is a much bigger talent than Janish or Renteria. With no salary cap, and supposed more revenue from last season and an increase in revenue this year they should be able to free up the dough. If they can't continue to make more money and sign more talent, they won't have an opportunity to keep Votto because they won't be able to afford him. ;)

Starscream 05-09-2011 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1257233)
Reyes does have a propensity to get injured, but when he is healthy he is a great talent, and who is to say that some of his 'injuries' are not wanting to hurry back to a crappy team. If they want a shot at keeping Votto, you have to put him in the playoffs these next three years and surround him with comparable talent. Reyes is a much bigger talent than Janish or Renteria. With no salary cap, and supposed more revenue from last season and an increase in revenue this year they should be able to free up the dough. If they can't continue to make more money and sign more talent, they won't have an opportunity to keep Votto because they won't be able to afford him. ;)
Maybe a reason that they are about to raise ticket prices?:hm

I agree with you in part. Janish could play a good backup to Reyes. Still not sure that I'm for giving up the farm and a starting pitcher to get him though. Pitching is bad enough this year w/o having to give up another half-decent arm.
I'd rather pick up a good LF and a good starting pitcher at this point.

chippewastud79 05-09-2011 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1257243)
Maybe a reason that they are about to raise ticket prices?:hm

I agree with you in part. Janish could play a good backup to Reyes. Still not sure that I'm for giving up the farm and a starting pitcher to get him though. Pitching is bad enough this year w/o having to give up another half-decent arm.
I'd rather pick up a good LF and a good starting pitcher at this point.
Giving up average pitchers and a sub-par lead-off hitter would be more than a fair trade. Maybe not giving up a comparable package this summer for Greinke was an indication that they are suffice with what they have. They drop great players for projects and sometimes they work out, they have yet to go the other way around. Their farm system is pretty decent, but they seem to struggle on the big stage, so why not give up a major-leaguer or two and a decent prospect or two for a proven player? :confused:

Starscream 05-09-2011 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1257365)
Giving up average pitchers and a sub-par lead-off hitter would be more than a fair trade. Maybe not giving up a comparable package this summer for Greinke was an indication that they are suffice with what they have. They drop great players for projects and sometimes they work out, they have yet to go the other way around. Their farm system is pretty decent, but they seem to struggle on the big stage, so why not give up a major-leaguer or two and a decent prospect or two for a proven player? :confused:
I wouldn't give up Leake. I'd give up Bailey before Leake. I wouldn't mind giving up Stubbs either, but I'm scared of who we would replace him with in CF. Alonso could come up to play LF (which would be better than Gomes and Lewis), but there's not much to replace Stubbs' defense (which has been sub-par recently, but he's normally not that bad). Bruce ain't going nowhere, not with his arm in RF (I'm just sick of waiting on him to learn patience at the plate).

Who would you propose to trade from our farm system in a package deal?

Starscream 05-09-2011 02:57 PM
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I copied this post off of the Reds message board over at the Enquirer site:

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Our current SS, Janish, is better than the Brewer's Betancourt/Card's Theriot/Pirate's Cedeno/Stro's Sanchez. Only the Cub's Castro is better than Janish in the Central. I'm basing this on Fangraph's WAR stats btw. Therefore, there is no NEED for an upgrade. The Reds are 1.5 games back from a streaking Cards team that will cool off. I also believe Janish deserves his shot. He was forced to be the second SS for a few years now and let's see how he does as a starter, Janish has earned it. If he is costing us runs through either defense/offense, then let's visit this non-existent issue.
The only part I don't agree with is the "there's no need for an upgrade", but I would like Janish to be a starter for a full season just to see what he is capable of as a regular. This is his first true year as a starter for our team.

But then again, life isn't fair. It would just suck for Janish.


Edit: The more I think about this, the more that seems to be the status quo. We need to have the best SS, not settle just b/c the Cards/Bucs/Brewers don't have good SSs.

chippewastud79 05-09-2011 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1257482)
I copied this post off of the Reds message board over at the Enquirer site:



The only part I don't agree with is the "there's no need for an upgrade", but I would like Janish to be a starter for a full season just to see what he is capable of as a regular. This is his first true year as a starter for our team.

But then again, life isn't fair. It would just suck for Janish.


Edit: The more I think about this, the more that seems to be the status quo. We need to have the best SS, not settle just b/c the Cards/Bucs/Brewers don't have good SSs.
Being better than everyone else in the NL Central got the Reds embarassed out of the playoffs last season after limping in on the heels of winning the weakest division with the weakest schedule. The Cardinals are about as streaky as the Reds, and the Reds have really yet to play a challenging series. Thank you schedule makers for the weakest schedule in the weakest league again this season thus far. :bh

The Reds will continue to force feed us their 'home-grown talent' despite the opportunity for a better player. See: Bruce, Stubbs, Janish, Bailey. All supposed to be the next big thing and none of them have lived up to the hype yet. Reyes leads all NL shortstops in nearly every statistical category, Janish has been dormant at the plate. Reyes leading off the games with a BA almost a full 80 points higher than Stubbs and putting Stubbs back at #8 where he belongs (or better yet, including him in the trade) could do wonders for Philips and Votto. :tu

Starscream 05-09-2011 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1257594)
The Reds will continue to force feed us their 'home-grown talent' despite the opportunity for a better player. See: Bruce, Stubbs, Janish, Bailey.
You forgot Votto from that list.;)

But I'm almost with you on the Reyes deal. Janish has proven himself a capable backup SS. If we get Reyes and he spends time on the DL, then at least we'll still have Janish.

Starscream 05-09-2011 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1257451)
Who would you propose to trade from our farm system in a package deal?
Bump.

chippewastud79 05-09-2011 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1257598)
You forgot Votto from that list.;)

But I'm almost with you on the Reyes deal. Janish has proven himself a capable backup SS. If we get Reyes and he spends time on the DL, then at least we'll still have Janish.
Votto is a great player, thats why he isn't on the over-hyped-under achieved list. ;)

I still think some of Reyes spending extended time on the DL is not being in a hurry to return to the lineup of a team with nothing to play for. A change of venue and an opportunity to play in this weak division could be a chance for him to shine on a contender. :tu

As for who to trade, Stubbs, Wood, LeCure, Leake, Bailey, Renteria and Gomes are all trade bait from the big leagues in my opinion. Francisco, Alonzo, Cozart, Willis, Herrera are all viable options. :hm

My package: Stubbs, Bailey, Cozart and Willis. Two very average major leaguers (Sell them on the terms "Huge upside, very motivated, gamer, speed player and good potential", all hype terms for lackluster players), a AAA SS and a former AL starter trying to get back to the big show. :2

Starscream 05-09-2011 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1257614)
Votto is a great player, thats why he isn't on the over-hyped-under achieved list. ;)

I still think some of Reyes spending extended time on the DL is not being in a hurry to return to the lineup of a team with nothing to play for. A change of venue and an opportunity to play in this weak division could be a chance for him to shine on a contender. :tu

As for who to trade, Stubbs, Wood, LeCure, Leake, Bailey, Renteria and Gomes are all trade bait from the big leagues in my opinion. Francisco, Alonzo, Cozart, Willis, Herrera are all viable options. :hm

My package: Stubbs, Bailey, Cozart and Willis. Two very average major leaguers (Sell them on the terms "Huge upside, very motivated, gamer, speed player and good potential", all hype terms for lackluster players), a AAA SS and a former AL starter trying to get back to the big show. :2
I don't want to get rid of Stubbs, Lecure, or Leake. Bailey, Cozart, Willis, and Francisco would be great for this. Leave Alonzo and Mesarasco alone in the minors. They are going to be needed in the future (at least Mesarasco).

elderboy02 05-09-2011 09:18 PM
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Reds win! Reds win! :tu :banger :tu :banger :)

Starscream 05-10-2011 06:25 AM
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Good game without Votto last night. Our offense looked good, and pitching looked great!

chippewastud79 05-10-2011 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1257647)
I don't want to get rid of Stubbs, Lecure, or Leake. Bailey, Cozart, Willis, and Francisco would be great for this. Leave Alonzo and Mesarasco alone in the minors. They are going to be needed in the future (at least Mesarasco).
Your package makes just a much sense, but I like Francisco more than Stubbs. If you keep Stubbs and get Reyes, where does Stubbs go? The 8 spot? Bat him ninth when a good hitting pitcher is in the game (ala LaRussa). He isn't a very good leadoff hitter and his defense is meh. He has missed getting to plenty of fly balls despite having the speed to get to them. Why not upgrade your offense and find a role player in the outfield? They have to have bats, not defense, as evidence by last years playoffs. :tu

I am still slightly surprised that Leake didn't get his suspension for stealing t-shirts. Maybe the diversion program saved him 5 game checks he can use to buy American Rag t-shirts. :hm

Starscream 05-10-2011 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1258201)
Your package makes just a much sense, but I like Francisco more than Stubbs. If you keep Stubbs and get Reyes, where does Stubbs go? The 8 spot? Bat him ninth when a good hitting pitcher is in the game (ala LaRussa). He isn't a very good leadoff hitter and his defense is meh. He has missed getting to plenty of fly balls despite having the speed to get to them. Why not upgrade your offense and find a role player in the outfield? They have to have bats, not defense, as evidence by last years playoffs. :tu

I am still slightly surprised that Leake didn't get his suspension for stealing t-shirts. Maybe the diversion program saved him 5 game checks he can use to buy American Rag t-shirts. :hm
But who would replace Stubbs w/o purchasing a new CF? I'm not that big on anyone in the organization moving to CF. We have a lot of OF, but none that are capable of moving to center. A farm system full of left fielders.:r I like Bruce in right, but moving him to center could be a disaster.

I'm still thinking Stubbs can be great, he just needs more time. I know we keep saying this about a lot of people on the team, but he's only been here for a year. People are still saying that about Bailey, but if it were up to me, his time would have been up last year or before. Maybe he could benefit from a new team.

chippewastud79 05-10-2011 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1258264)
But who would replace Stubbs w/o purchasing a new CF? I'm not that big on anyone in the organization moving to CF. We have a lot of OF, but none that are capable of moving to center. A farm system full of left fielders.:r I like Bruce in right, but moving him to center could be a disaster.

I'm still thinking Stubbs can be great, he just needs more time. I know we keep saying this about a lot of people on the team, but he's only been here for a year. People are still saying that about Bailey, but if it were up to me, his time would have been up last year or before. Maybe he could benefit from a new team.
Maybe go back and undo that trade that sent Hamilton packing for Volquez. :hm

Stubbs likely won't ever be great. He has had more than enough time to adapt to the big show and still can't seem to not strikeout at least once a game. He is like Adam Dunn minus the power. The problem is they are all annointed before they get here and fans are expecting greatness, and homers like Dan can't stop thinking they are great, despite the results saying otherwise. Heck most fans even liked the Hamilton trade because we had Stubbs, how'd that one work out? :rolleyes:

elderboy02 05-10-2011 06:16 PM
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Nice 2 run HR by Bruce :banger

Starscream 05-10-2011 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1258605)
Maybe go back and undo that trade that sent Hamilton packing for Volquez. :hm
I wish.:r


I'm sick of hearing about that trade. People still crying about it. I hate it to, but hindsight is 20/20. It's too late now.

There's still some hope for Bruce b/c he's younger, but Stubbs is what, 26yrs old? If he's not performing by the end of the year, then I say get him out.

First let's worry about getting rid of Gomes.:)

Starscream 05-10-2011 08:37 PM
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We look like the 1927 Yankees or the 76-77 Big Red Machine up against these clowns.

Starscream 05-10-2011 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1258828)
We look like the 1927 Yankees or the 76-77 Big Red Machine up against these clowns.
I spoke too soon. Chapman can't locate the ball tonight. I think it's time he got sent back down to work on his mechanics.

elderboy02 05-10-2011 09:10 PM
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Yeah, send Chapman back down. Dude hit a guy in the back leg, and then almost threw it to the umpire :(

Starscream 05-10-2011 09:11 PM
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We are about to get killed over the next month and a half:
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Reds schedule from May 13th to the end of July very tough.Their next road trip: Cleveland 3, Phillies 4, Braves 3.Back home for 3 series then hit the road Giants 4 and Dodgers 3. Back Home BJs 3 Yankees 3. Road O's 3 Rays 3. Back home Indians 3 Road Cards 3 Brewers 4.After the Break another series with the Cards, Braves, and Giants.

elderboy02 05-10-2011 09:35 PM
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Reds win! Reds win! :) :tu
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chippewastud79 05-11-2011 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1258710)
I wish.:r


I'm sick of hearing about that trade. People still crying about it. I hate it to, but hindsight is 20/20. It's too late now.

There's still some hope for Bruce b/c he's younger, but Stubbs is what, 26yrs old? If he's not performing by the end of the year, then I say get him out.

First let's worry about getting rid of Gomes.:)
I'm not crying about it, but where is the foresight to see that Hamilton was and still is a great player? I would much rather watch two guys on the same team competing for the MVP each year than watching Stubbs strikeout 3 times in one game when I go to the ballpark. I guess, you win some, you lose some. :sh

Bruce could be a good player, still not selective enough, he is an all or nothing player at the plate. Stubbs just loves watching 3rd strikes and looks foolish a lot. Gomes could definitely stand to get released and find a suitable replacement, he is even a liability in the field and makes easy catches look tough (see: Jeter). :2

chippewastud79 05-11-2011 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1258851)
Yeah, send Chapman back down. Dude hit a guy in the back leg, and then almost threw it to the umpire :(
Holy Crap! Dan is actually criticizing a player on the Reds and his fantasy baseball team. :confused:

That guy hasn't had control. Ever. He just throws 100+ and everyone is mezmerized by it. Watched him at a home game a week ago and everyone just kept screaming, "Throw it 105". 100+ is just another pitch if no one swings at it when it is 2 feet outside the strike zone. His scouting report for opposing batters probably says, "DON'T SWING, can't hit the strike zone!" :td

Starscream 05-11-2011 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1259099)
I'm not crying about it.
Gomes could definitely stand to get released and find a suitable replacement, he is even a liability in the field and makes easy catches look tough (see: Jeter). :2
I wasn't insinuating that you were crying about it.:) I'm talking about Reds fans as a whole.


Like that catch by Gomes last night? Looked like a spectacular gymnastic feat just to catch a routine fly ball.:r

chippewastud79 05-11-2011 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1259146)

Like that catch by Gomes last night? Looked like a spectacular gymnastic feat just to catch a routine fly ball.:r
He does that a lot, last game I went to he made a high fly ball look like a diving catch at the warning track because he got turned around twice and had to stab at it. :rolleyes:

chippewastud79 05-11-2011 07:05 PM
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Listened to the Leake earning his trip to Louisville on the radio whilst on the way to pick up my wife. I heard the Macy's down there haven't banned him from their stores yet. :bh

And to top it off, they kept saying the final score was 3-2. Over and over and over, minimum 25 times. :td

Starscream 05-11-2011 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1259808)
Listened to the Leake earning his trip to Louisville on the radio whilst on the way to pick up my wife. I heard the Macy's down there haven't banned him from their stores yet. :bh

And to top it off, they kept saying the final score was 3-2. Over and over and over, minimum 25 times. :td
He'll STEAL his way back into the rotation soon enough.

Starscream 05-13-2011 06:41 AM
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Be prepared to get stomped this weekend...:td

elderboy02 05-13-2011 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1261225)
Be prepared to get stomped this weekend...:td
I don't think so. Now, lets wait for Adam's s**tty response saying that I am a homer....

Starscream 05-13-2011 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1261487)
I don't think so. Now, lets wait for Adam's s**tty response saying that I am a homer....
:D

chippewastud79 05-13-2011 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1261487)
I don't think so. Now, lets wait for Adam's s**tty response saying that I am a homer....
Nice sports insight. I am anxiously awaiting your "Reds win!" posts. :tu

elderboy02 05-13-2011 08:42 PM
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Interesting game so far! :tu

Starscream 05-13-2011 08:52 PM
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Nailbiter tonight. Why did Dusty pinch hit Gomes with two outs in the bottom of the ninth?:confused:


On another note, Mel Queen just passed away. RIP. He was before my time, but a Red nonetheless.

Starscream 05-13-2011 09:04 PM
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Hellz yeah!:banger

elderboy02 05-13-2011 09:07 PM
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Reds win! Reds win! :tu :tu :banger :banger :)

Votto is a motha f-ing pimp!

688sonarmen 05-13-2011 09:20 PM
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Good game guys:tu

Starscream 05-13-2011 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 688sonarmen (Post 1262015)
Good game guys:tu
I thought this one was going to the Cards for most of the game. Good thing for Votto.:tu

chippewastud79 05-13-2011 11:35 PM
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Reds Win! Stubbs for MVP!!!!!! :tu :np;) :bh:banger

chippewastud79 05-13-2011 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 688sonarmen (Post 1262015)
Good game guys:tu
No one in this forum played a single pitch in the game, although Dan likes to think he did. ;)


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