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WoW, this thread sure took off..............

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Again I echo I am not the only one who is posting or thinks this way there are plenty more people. I guess since I do it more often or am I bit more vocal about it I'm the target you chose to single out, that's fine I don't care.

And it's only "piping with drivel" because what I post is "Anti-Tatuaje". Otherwise it would be awesome and cool! Notice how I don't come rushing to the defense every time you voice your opinion on NC's being better than CC's (what I smoke). I don't see why people aren't entitled to their own opinions and shouldn't be able to post them freely as long as it doesn't violate the rules.

However... I'm not talking about how the cigars taste, which is what you like. So frankly I'm not sure why you care. You act like he's your personal friend of many years and I'm taking shots at him for no reason. You don't know him anymore than I do, and I don't believe my "attacks" are on him personally at all. It's about the way he does business.

This really isn't an argument, more or less a debate.

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I agree with you Bill, everyone should be entitled to their own opinion on here, like the creator (roller) or hate him.

Liking a cigar or a brand is all preference to your own taste. Just because you love NC's doesn't mean they are the best. There is no best, it's all preference.

Some might say Tatuaje is the best, and some Might say Cohiba. It's all just based on your palate.

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If I did offend someone I will offer my apologies, but it is not a horrible analogy. Not in exactly the best taste, which I will admit, but it is a legitimate analogy of the thought process. In both cases one side thinks that a particular species is better since it came from one region and act(ed) as such. I added the parenthesis at the end for if a mod felt we were going too far off the topic. In either case, this should be it for me with this thread so as not to continue derailing the thread(which, it had successfully done by page 2, before I even posted).

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No need to post your permission. We will act (if needed) whether permission is given or not.

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Ok, can everyone take a step back and just look at the picture of the cigars. Couldn't they come up with a better wrapper? Looks a little odd.

I wouldn't be opposed to trying one as long as its not another limited release. :sh

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True. I'd assume since they're just prototype cigars at this point they don't care too much about looks and are saving the better wrapper leaf for regular production.

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:tpd: My only complaint with Tat cigars is they make limited release cigars for Shop A and another line for Shop B. Just make you cigars and have them available to everyone. As for the BHK topic, who cares if its the same size as Pete's cigars. I am sure they dont taste like one another.

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Every thread referring to Tatuaje or something new that Pete is doing always get's railroaded by the haters here. Hell, look at the original thread about the Mini-Monsters.(http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showth...light=monsters) There's a good number of stupid comments added in that add zero content to the subject and even take it off topic briefly. It's amazing how acceptable it has become here.
Still love this place but the Pete threads have just become ridiculous and it's amazing how much people love to bag on the guy. I would be curious to see if he did start posting here regularly how many guys would end up flip flopping as it's easy to bash the guy who is not around to even defend himself.:2

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Amen brother!

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I'd love to see some blind side by sides of the real Behike and Pete's knock offs when these hit the shelves. It would probably fall along the same old preference lines of NC/CC, but it would be fun :2

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To be fair, I was pretty close in guessing the name of Pete's next endeavor:
;)

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keep it coming...
http://www.demotix.com/sites/default...ile_358054.jpg
:r:r:r

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but the amazing is...
each time we open the "Show your latest NC purchase Thread" it full of tats pictures...:D:D:D

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:r

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I personally love a lot of Tats. I generally don't get in the debates about PJ for the most part because it doesn't matter. Lately I've been smoking more CCs than NCs but a majority of NCs I smoke are tats. Just depends on what I'm in the mood for. I also admit to be a smoker and a collector so part of that makes Tats fun for me as well.

Bottom line it's just what I like. No need for me to debate it. I'm clearly not going to change Bill86/OLS minds on the subject nor do I care to. You won't find me on an Alec Bradley thread (are there any?) bashing them because its not worth my time or energy. Everyone keeps saying smoke what you like, like what you smoke but I get the feeling most mean smoke what I like, like what I smoke.

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How many people that said that they had posted the last they would say on the matter have come back in?
THAT is what I find funny.
I have to say that if there was anything personal being said, that there would be a stop put to the thread.
I disagree wholeheartedly that people need to refrain from one side or the other. That's what a thread is for,
to debate something and hear both sides. We have some pretty good moderators at work here.
I would say it is a gross overstatement to say that everytime there is a Tatuaje thread that it turns into a
free-for-all. GROSS.
The threads that get the most action with his name on it are the ones that are so completely Madison Ave on
Steroids that it is hard NOT to laugh. This one simply pointed to a story about the launch and while the article
itself was pretty benign on it's face, it didn't turn into a farce until the man himself came in and said what amounted
to me as "they started it!" pointing at the Cubans. Some people here that consider themselves the voice of reason
ought to remember that being right in their own minds does not constitute some kind of best practice for all people.
That's the number one complaint I have against a large portion of society that will have to remain nameless as I have
been asked not to GO THERE....and it AIN'T politics. ;) But the day people can't express their negative opinions
on something like this is the day I will go on about my business elsewhere.

People are already scheming, haha.

You don't have to change MY MIND Trent, I could nearly care less. I will never get around to smoking them,
they might be awesome. I am fine with his marketing practices frankly. I am in TV and I stole everything
I ever did, at least that's the way I tell it. I just like to talk about anything. You want to see me on a
PARTISAN TRAIN, drop by the SEC thread in a few months. :r The CAIN guy didn't get any better treatment,
btw.....HELL, I admire anyone at the head of a boutique who can come in here and say ANYTHING in the
shark tank that is the internet. It's HARD to EVER say the right thing. There is NO WINNING. Pete tried.

I remember when Croatan and Beagleone came and got me out of my motel room in Dallas one night so we
could drink at their favorite cigar store/pub. They mentioned Pete Johnson had come by the week before and
I said, "Who is that?" They had to tell me. THAT's how little I know or care about a giant segment of the business.
I have my preferences and am not militant at all about it. I KNOW what I like and I could care less if others do too.

You know what makes me happy? When the Asylum has some threads that people are actually TALKING in.
Can you say slow summer??

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Dude, did Pete steal your girlfriend?

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I think Pete is a player, not only he stole Brad's girlfriend but also Bill's

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This type of discussion is why I normally drop out of cigar forums in late August and only occasionally drop in anymore. I started avoiding the Monster hype. It was sad to see normally amicable brothers at each others electronic throats over this stuff. The show your latest purchase thread started to feel like a nah/nah/ne/boo/boo over who could get the latest and least available.

I too, could care less about what the latest Pete/Viaje/Padron/Fuente release looks like. I had my eyes opened on what the new brotherhood looks like back during the Drac days. Seems Pete fans and opponents draw divides. This is not what I thought this "Asylum" meant. Yes, I'm guilty of throwing a few stones Pete's way, but that was mainly over marketing and the division his products create. I normally smoke cigars that are not available here, but that's not to say they're superior. They are my choice. I still smoke some tats (love the Petie reserva) and NC's when I don't have the time or concentration to devote to a cigar. When I want a "good" (in my opinion only) cigar, it's cuban.

Am I a snob? Perhaps. I know what I like and seek it out. Do I advocate anything just because it's cuban? No, Cuba makes some pretty rank stuff too. For me; it's all about the brotherhood first. The rest is dried up rotting leaves hardly worth arguing over.

And yes, when I see smoke what you like and like what you smoke, that's what it really means. No exceptions. Check out my pic herfing with cowboy while he's puffing an acid and shotgunning Boone's Farm. No animosity, just a good friend I was happy to smoke with.

Just a rambling post that probably means nothing from someone a lot of you don't know.

Cheers!

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Not sure how much of this was directed at me. One things for sure about forums and threads like these is it's hard to tell inflection and intent. So certainly no anger on my part.

Like I said in my post I have no desire to change your mind so I'm not clear on that statement. Nor did I ever attempt to change anyone's mind. While I agree that debate and opposing views should certainly be allowed it seems like a lot of these threads get heated. Over cigars. Not something I find worth getting upset over. And for all I know no one is, even if a lot of people seem like it. Like I said intent and inflection is difficult to discern in threads like these.

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I did not get any bad intent from you at all. I guess mine sounded aggravated too. I didn't feel singled out per se',
but I did feel lumped in with people who care about the PJ line of cigars enough to argue about it. I won't ever
smoke one unless someone gives it to me and then it might take a long time to get around to it. I just paid for a
good argument, the full half hour.

Cigar marketing from every manufacturer is SO FAR over the top with real or pretend lineage back to the old days
in Cuba. It's the only thing they think people care about. And I almost can't blame them. People are sheep and
all cigars are the same, haha. Then one thinks he is a maverick and tries NO photos of fields of green and rust,
and instead grunge and intrigue and tattoos and bikers and girls and a fu(&ing deep sea diver and a parrot.
What makes one person grab one thing and another mimic his action? I roll my eyes at all boutique figureheads
the same, trust me.