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Stephen 03-13-2011 12:49 PM
Re: NFL
 
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Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 1204161)
As long as owners share the broadcast revenue there are no small markets in the NFL!
Exactly.

VirtualSmitty 03-13-2011 01:33 PM
Re: NFL
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1204147)
Revenue sharing is much more a Socialist idea than a salary cap in which baseball participates in, and has done so for over a decade (even longer in other forms).
Not exactly. How the owners spend the money they receive is up to them, baseball doesn't force them to reinvest it on the team. Teams like the Royals and Pirates collect this and are extremely profitable, despite not putting much effort into theirs teams until lately. It is in no way nearly as socialist an idea as capping what a team can spend. Penalizing a team based on where they play and how big their fan base is just seems wrong.

Bruins Fan 03-13-2011 01:41 PM
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The Sox owner was just fined a half million for saying revenue sharing Suxed.
Some small market teams take the money and do nothing with it but put in their pockets.
True they can't chase the big money free agents,but at least they could build up the scouting and farm systems with all the high draft picks they get.
Look at the twins small market and field good teams.

loki 03-13-2011 02:29 PM
Re: NFL
 
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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 1204214)
Not exactly. How the owners spend the money they receive is up to them, baseball doesn't force them to reinvest it on the team. Teams like the Royals and Pirates collect this and are extremely profitable, despite not putting much effort into theirs teams until lately. It is in no way nearly as socialist an idea as capping what a team can spend. Penalizing a team based on where they play and how big their fan base is just seems wrong.
the pirates do nothing with the money they're given other then pocket it.

kelmac07 03-13-2011 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by loki (Post 1204243)
the pirates do nothing with the money their given other then pocket it.
And they have 18 consecutive losing seasons to prove it. :D

VirtualSmitty 03-13-2011 02:40 PM
Re: NFL
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by loki (Post 1204243)
the pirates do nothing with the money they're given other then pocket it.
Exactly. It's a shame too, the Pirates are older than even the Yankees, but hey the fans keep coming.

Stephen 03-13-2011 02:56 PM
Re: NFL
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 1204214)
Not exactly. How the owners spend the money they receive is up to them, baseball doesn't force them to reinvest it on the team. Teams like the Royals and Pirates collect this and are extremely profitable, despite not putting much effort into theirs teams until lately. It is in no way nearly as socialist an idea as capping what a team can spend. Penalizing a team based on where they play and how big their fan base is just seems wrong.
So would you be against a salary floor, or something stating that a certain percentage of shared revenues be reinvested in salary or other operating expenses?

VirtualSmitty 03-13-2011 04:34 PM
Re: NFL
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1204250)
So would you be against a salary floor, or something stating that a certain percentage of shared revenues be reinvested in salary or other operating expenses?
Yea I would be against it. It's their business, let them run it into the ground if they want. If the fans stop coming it's their own fault. If the fans don't care and just keep going, what does it matter. Not all teams abuse the system, while I don't care much for revenue sharing, what they choose to do with it is up to them.

Stephen 03-13-2011 05:27 PM
Re: NFL
 
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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 1204293)
Yea I would be against it. It's their business, let them run it into the ground if they want. If the fans stop coming it's their own fault. If the fans don't care and just keep going, what does it matter. Not all teams abuse the system, while I don't care much for revenue sharing, what they choose to do with it is up to them.
That's the rub for me. If you're going to share revenue, then it needs to be regulated. Otherwise, why share in the first place?

VirtualSmitty 03-14-2011 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1204314)
That's the rub for me. If you're going to share revenue, then it needs to be regulated. Otherwise, why share in the first place?
But why? Most teams do use the money on themselves, there are only a handful of teams that abuse the system. As it stands it certainly helps a great deal of teams and outside of the teams located in the large markets who have to pay, no one is complaining. It's by no means a perfect solution, but regulating the business operations of small market team just because they are a small market team wouldn't be right.

BloodSpite 03-14-2011 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Volusianator (Post 1202965)
Ugh
Glad I'm a College Football Fan :D

BloodSpite 03-14-2011 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1203153)
Baseball. Isn't it that one thing people across the country used to care about until around 1994, and now only people in about eight cities do?
Amen

Haven't watched baseball since the strike back in 94-95

I'll forgive the NFL players because this is a lock out, not a strike.

Starscream 03-14-2011 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BloodSpite (Post 1204786)
Glad I'm a College Football Fan :D
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Originally Posted by BloodSpite (Post 1204790)
Amen

Haven't watched baseball since the strike back in 94-95

I'll forgive the NFL players because this is a lock out, not a strike.
Umm... and isn't the BCS a complete peice of work too? Yeah, college football doesn't have any problems.:rolleyes:

BloodSpite 03-14-2011 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1204794)
Umm... and isn't the BCS a complete peice of work too? Yeah, college football doesn't have any problems.:rolleyes:
BCS is garbage, I will 100% agree

But at least we'll be playing this year and there is no chance of a strike from a bunch of half starved college kids :r

Starscream 03-14-2011 08:52 AM
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MLB will be playing too.:tu

Sawyer 03-14-2011 09:16 AM
Re: NFL
 
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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1204800)
MLB will be playing too.:tu
But no one will be watching. ;)

BloodSpite 03-14-2011 09:24 AM
Re: NFL
 
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Originally Posted by Sawyer (Post 1204817)
But no one will be watching. ;)
Case in point I pulled up 6 nation Rugby the other day instead :banger

Stephen 03-14-2011 09:34 AM
Re: NFL
 
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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 1204763)
But why? Most teams do use the money on themselves, there are only a handful of teams that abuse the system. As it stands it certainly helps a great deal of teams and outside of the teams located in the large markets who have to pay, no one is complaining. It's by no means a perfect solution, but regulating the business operations of small market team just because they are a small market team wouldn't be right.
That's why.

Stephen 03-14-2011 09:38 AM
Re: NFL
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BloodSpite (Post 1204786)
Glad I'm a College Football Fan :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1204794)
Umm... and isn't the BCS a complete peice of work too? Yeah, college football doesn't have any problems.:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by BloodSpite (Post 1204798)
BCS is garbage, I will 100% agree

But at least we'll be playing this year and there is no chance of a strike from a bunch of half starved college kids :r
I'm probably the only person who actually doesn't want a college football playoff system...:lv

Starscream 03-14-2011 10:03 AM
Re: NFL
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sawyer (Post 1204817)
But no one will be watching. ;)
You sure about that? How else could Pujols be asking for $300 million if no one was watching.:rolleyes:

Looks like no one will be watching NFL if they don't get their act together.


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