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akumushi 05-06-2010 01:48 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 850986)
My friend is a Mexican American and he says Cinco de Mayo isn't a real holiday anywhere but the U.S., it was cooked up by beer companies to sell more products. It gets hardly any exposure in it's own country outside of Puebla.
And if it's not the beer companies, it's certainly the tequila companies. Cinco De Mayo is the perfect excuse to fire up the blender and take a trip to Margaritaville:D

akumushi 05-06-2010 01:50 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox (Post 850993)
Would you consider wearing a shirt with the American flag on it, inappropriate and detrimental to the learning environment, and that this would fall under the reserved right of the school? By the way, Clayton, just trying to understand your stance:)
Again, I think the principal did a stupid move and I think the rule was misapplied, all I'm was saying is that the admin does have legal precident to exercise discretion over what the students wear to school, so a lawsuit might be a lose/lose situation for everybody involved:2

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-06-2010 01:50 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
For information purposes, the students are protected by California Education Code 48950.

dunng 05-06-2010 01:50 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/7...cfail02lt7.jpg

KenyanSandBoa 05-06-2010 01:50 PM
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Wow...that is just sad. :td

Darrell 05-06-2010 01:51 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by akumushi (Post 850998)
And if it's not the beer companies, it's certainly the tequila companies. Cinco De Mayo is the perfect excuse to fire up the blender and take a trip to Margaritaville:D
Haha. So true. :r

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-06-2010 01:52 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by akumushi (Post 851003)
Again, I think the principal did a stupid move and I think the rule was misapplied, all I'm was saying is that the admin does have legal precident to exercise discretion over what the students wear to school, so a lawsuit might be a lose/lose situation for everybody:2
I understand, and I think we agree.

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-06-2010 01:54 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by akumushi (Post 850998)
And if it's not the beer companies, it's certainly the tequila companies. Cinco De Mayo is the perfect excuse to fire up the blender and take a trip to Margaritaville:D
Yep:r:r

akumushi 05-06-2010 01:58 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox (Post 851004)
For information purposes, the students are protected by California Education Code 48950.
When was that passed? They certainly did the "turn your t-shirt inside out" thing all the time when I was a student, so either the admin was breaking the law then too, or things have changed. Maybe they have some argument about how clothing is not a protected free speech thing? Thanks for bringing that up, now I'm intrigued about how this plays out. :tu

357 05-06-2010 01:59 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 850949)
What is to be gained?
I think the biggest gain is that the other school administrators will take the student's right to free speech more seriously. Maybe they will learn that their opinion or dislike of someone's protected speech is not legal justification for revoking that person's rights.

This stuff happens in colleges as well. Check out townhall.com columnist Mike Adams. He writes 2-3 times a week about how universities only filter (punish) speech they don't like. It's rediculous, immoral, and illegal. It will continue if legal action isn't taken.

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-06-2010 02:00 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
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Originally Posted by 357 (Post 851021)
I think the biggest gain is that the other school administrators will take the student's right to free speech more seriously. Maybe they will learn that their opinion or dislike of someone's protected speech is not legal justification for revoking that person's rights.

This stuff happens in colleges as well. Check out townhall.com columnist Mike Adams. He writes 2-3 times a week about how universities only filter (punish) speech they don't like. It's rediculous, immoral, and illegal. It will continue if legal action isn't taken.
What he said.

macpappy 05-06-2010 02:01 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
Wait a minute! I haven't seen any comments from the ACLU about protecting the kids rights. Oh. They are Americans displaying an American flag. The American Communist Liberties Union don't care about this.

ChicagoWhiteSox 05-06-2010 02:05 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by akumushi (Post 851018)
When was that passed? They certainly did the "turn your t-shirt inside out" thing all the time when I was a student, so either the admin was breaking the law then too, or things have changed. Maybe they have some argument about how clothing is not a protected free speach thing? Thanks for bringing that up, now I'm intrigued about how this plays out. :tu
Im not sure when it was passed.

pnoon 05-06-2010 02:07 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by akumushi (Post 851003)
Again, I think the principal did a stupid move and I think the rule was misapplied, all I'm was saying is that the admin does have legal precident to exercise discretion over what the students wear to school, so a lawsuit might be a lose/lose situation for everybody involved:2
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox (Post 851009)
I understand, and I think we agree.
Nate, Clayton expressed very well what I meant by a lawsuit being pointless.

Resipsa 05-06-2010 02:27 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
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Originally Posted by AD720 (Post 850964)
Are high school principles elected in CA? :)
NO. Nobodies principles are elected.

Nor are high school principals.:r

Sorry brother, I couldn't resist, :r

AD720 05-06-2010 02:30 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
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Originally Posted by Resipsa (Post 851057)
NO. Nobodies principles are elected.

Nor are high school principals.:r

Sorry brother, I couldn't resist, :r
:hm I don't get it. :)

Edit: I get it now. Well word-played.

G G 05-06-2010 02:34 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AD720 (Post 850964)
Are high school principles elected in CA? :)
Not that I am aware of:tu

I was referring to a previous poster (should have quoted) that said something about PC run amok, and that will only be cured at the ballot box IMHO.

Resipsa 05-06-2010 02:34 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by akumushi (Post 851003)
Again, I think the principal did a stupid move and I think the rule was misapplied, all I'm was saying is that the admin does have legal precident to exercise discretion over what the students wear to school, so a lawsuit might be a lose/lose situation for everybody involved:2
The administration needs to act in a non-discriminatory manner, no matter what they do.

This is not only a free speech issue, there is also a Section 1983 action here.

The question becomes why were only the students wearing the American flag sent home? Why not the students displaying the Mexican flag? This is surely just as incendiary to those who are offended by those who insist foreign holidays be celebrated in this country.

It doesn't offend me, but it does offend some. And both groups of students should have been treated equally under Section 1983.

AD720 05-06-2010 02:36 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggainey (Post 851065)
Not that I am aware of:tu

I was referring to a previous poster (should have quoted) that said something about PC run amok, and that will only be cured at the ballot box IMHO.
Just giving you a hard time Greg. ;)

md4958 05-06-2010 02:37 PM
Re: Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag
 
I must have missed the memo where May 5th became a national holiday... I guess I better start paying closer attention.

:td


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