Originally Posted by bobarian (Post 704369)

As you well know Cuban trademarks are not recognized in the United States. In the most recent case a Federal District judge has ruled for a second time in favor of Cubatobacco. But his original almost identical ruling was overturned on appeal. The appellate court ruled that due to the embargo a Cuban company could not own property in the US and that a trademark was property.

The company producing the "Cohiba" in question is most likely not even General Tobacco, but a small producer just trying to make a buck.

Anyone thinking they are buying a genuine Cuban Cohiba in a US B&M deserves whatever they get.

What about the other Cuban cigar names that are used by General or Altadis? Punch, Partagas, El Rey Del Mundo and others were originally owned by individuals in Cuba. Many left after the revolution because their property had been taken by the Cuban government.

I dont see this as a black and white issue, both sides have some legitimacy to their claims. :2

Originally Posted by jerseystepup (Post 704392)

NOWHERE on the boxes, nor on the sticks is the word "cohiba" anywhere... yes the symbol is there... but look at the "fleur de lis" its everywhere in the cigar world.. so theyre just using the symbol... other than that the cigar is not claiming to be a cohiba... sketchy marketing in my opinion... but again no where does this stick claim to be from cuba or say cohiba

Originally Posted by s15driftking (Post 704174)

6 rows of dots would be the first thing that would make me say "huh"...

Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 704464)

Just because they are labeled as Dominican, and dont say "Cohiba" on them dosesnt make them "non-fake"

Originally Posted by mariogolbee (Post 704510)

If there are more like the first one I smoked then who really cares if they're fake?

Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 704520)

So would you be happy with a fake Rolex that you paid a premium for just because it told time properly?

It might be a good cigar, but the intent to deceive is there, and I would really care if they were fake.

Originally Posted by Snake Hips (Post 704097)

As a public brand. Cohiba was established in 1966.

Originally Posted by TheRiddick (Post 704538)

Huh? A particular blend was made for Castro to smoke and give out as gifts after the revolution, lancero sans label since they had no name back then. But as an actual brand? '80s is right.

Originally Posted by ScottieM (Post 704541)

I think they were made to deceive unwitting customers and any Cigar Merchant that knows a lick about cigars knows that. If your willing to shell out $13 a pop for something pretending to be something else then enjoy. Otherwise, Move along.

Originally Posted by SmokinApe (Post 704531)

For the record I agree with Kool Moe D... I wouldn't buy or smoke these...

Originally Posted by Pauly Walnuts (Post 704547)

If you had it, you'd smoke it cmon now :ss

Originally Posted by Pauly Walnuts (Post 704547)

It was a mistake... but maybe they'll be enjoyable at the very least so i won't feel as bad about supporting a fake cigar.

Originally Posted by jerseystepup (Post 704392)

NOWHERE on the boxes, nor on the sticks is the word "cohiba" anywhere... yes the symbol is there... but look at the "fleur de lis" its everywhere in the cigar world.. so theyre just using the symbol... other than that the cigar is not claiming to be a cohiba... sketchy marketing in my opinion... but again no where does this stick claim to be from cuba or say cohiba

Originally Posted by Pauly Walnuts (Post 704547)

It was a mistake... but maybe they'll be enjoyable at the very least so i won't feel as bad about supporting a fake cigar.

Originally Posted by TheRiddick (Post 704538)

Huh? A particular blend was made for Castro to smoke and give out as gifts after the revolution, lancero sans label since they had no name back then. But as an actual brand? '80s is right.

Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 704520)

So would you be happy with a fake Rolex that you paid a premium for just because it told time properly?

It might be a good cigar, but the intent to deceive is there, and I would really care if they were fake.

Originally Posted by Pauly Walnuts (Post 704547)

If you had it, you'd smoke it cmon now :ss

Originally Posted by ScottieM (Post 704556)

I'll bet they're not all that bad. Probably a decent Handmade Bundle Quality stick that would keep someone coming back for more. I wouldn't worry about it. We've all been there, Live and learn.

Thanks for sharing with us!:ss

Originally Posted by havanajohn (Post 704566)

Actually 1982 was when Cohibas became available to the general public...

Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 704464)

The authentic 35th anniversary Cohiba band. Notice the 6 rows of dots
http://www.shojikido.com/cgi-local/m...h_julieta2.jpg

googling "Cohiba 40th anniversary" yields this image
http://www.aficionado.org.uk/img/LogoCohiba40Aniv.png

Just because they are labeled as Dominican, and dont say "Cohiba" on them dosesnt make them "non-fake"

Originally Posted by s15driftking (Post 704581)

noted, i am owned!!