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I'm not exactly sure on all the ridiculous laws NY has so I am thinking it will be easier just to buy the exact gun I want in Texas and not have to worry about anything. If I bought an AR-15 out of state and someday moved back home with my parents in NY would my gun be illegal to own?

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Do yourself a huge favor and please research gun laws for your state.

A HUGE favor.

First off. You can't directly purchase a gun out of state. It has to be purchased, then mailed to an FFL dealer. THEN you go to the FFL and pickup the rifle after your state required background check is completed. Obviously if you buy it in state, it's from an FFL. (The requirement for in state sales are that you are a resident of that state)

The exception is person to person transfers which are not legal in all states, but are only allowed when a resident of a state sells to another resident of that state, within the boundary of that state.

In the case of the AR-15 and NY, it cannot happen if it is either A) Not post-ban compliant (IE compliant to the terms of the 1994 AWB) or B) a pre-ban (IE, a receiver that was registered prior to 1994)

I realize this isn't a gun forum, but please do some research before purchasing an AR-15.

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Thanks for the tips. I was speaking with some of my firearms instructors and they made it seem like all I had to do was show a Texas drivers license and I would be able to purchase a AR with no problems down in Texas due to their relaxed gun laws.

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Sure you could. You just can't bring it back to NY.

When you come back up this way, if you are interested in an AR, let me know and I can help. I have built several ban-compliant AR's and am helping someone else with one right now.

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DS Arms makes good stuff. I bought my FAL from a respected FAL builder, Rich at CGW, but he's no longer building them AFAIK.

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I would be interested. I will be home Feb 20th for hopefully 11 days depending on if I get my leave request ok'd.

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Do they sell under any particular brand name or have a website? And are there any makers to stay away from? I've heard there's at least one maker (CAI?) whose FALs are often full of problems.

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If you live in Texas and have a Texas driver's license, then you can buy a gun in Texas.

But you cannot bring it back to NY in the configuration you buy it in, unless it is post-ban compliant.

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Hey any of you Ar guru's, whatcha think about the Troy Industries Rails...I need a 11 or 12" Rail for a project and not exactly sure what direction to go.

Def Rifle length, full free float, one piece, was also thinking DD Light rail for a bit more cashola>

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I'd also be willing to help. I've built a few now as well and at the very least point you in the direction of a good FFL dealer/gunsmith who can make sure you're NY legal. I'm in the Buffalo area, and my knowledge of good FFLs/gunsmiths is limited to that area. Feel free to PM or email me.

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from my personal experience I L-O-V-E my DD light rails. I can't seem to explain why but I do. I have the Midwest Industries, in my opinion MI = Troy (they are about the same. I have both the rifle length rails, and the DD rails make my rifle feel lighter and more manageable. My rifle with the MI feels very front heavy and not very maneuverable. The only thing I like from Troy is their sights.

-eta-
spend the extra cash and get the DD, in my opinion. or look at one of Larue's builds.

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This is going on my 6.5 Grendel, pics a few pages back and will most likely only be shot in the prone position of Bipod.

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Troy is top of the line IMO. I have never heard anything bad about any of their products.

-Z

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I wouldn't say top, but definitely close.

They're quality in my book. :tu

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Its about time you chimed in Jordan!!!

Yeah I thought they were in the middle range and wanted something a bit better than YH not didn't need Larue, so I was thinking DD or the Troy.

Thanks guys

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Been a bit busy lately. Sorry :D

Larue is overkill(price) for most applications, but I'd consider them one of the top rail producers on the market. Hard to beat their customer service as well.

I'd rate DD and Troy about on par with each other. I honestly don't think you could go wrong with either of them. I'd give the edge to whatever style your looking at with the best price. :tu

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any suggestions for a home security 12 gauge? I haven't owned a firearm since I was about 15.
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Remington 870 or Mossberg 590

Either will do

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I love my 870 super mag. A synthetic stock for dragging through the duck pond and it will take 3.5 inch goose shells. It isn't fancy but it is rock solid.

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Remington 870HD

Comes all prepped to be a decent home defense shottie.

I'd recommend a round of birdshot followed by some 00 Buck.

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I suggest a slug to shoot through a wall/door followed by 00 defensive buck. But...that's just me.

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This makes me curious.....


I agree on the 870. Both the 870 and 500 are ultra reliable shotguns. I prefer the 870.

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Warning shot maybe? :D

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Do you have to buy shotguns locally? No online selling? Sorry I'm a total newb!

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Thats what I figured. Be sure to check local laws. Here in NY, if you even think of demonstrating lethal force, you best be in a position where it is absolutely necessary and your life (or another's) is in immediate jeopardy. (yeah yeah, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6)

Because of that, I start off with 00, and if that doesn't do the trick....slugs. Hopefully the whole getup turns out to be nothing bust a dust collector though...

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Either or. To buy one online, you would need to it have shipped to a local FFL (dealer) who will then transfer it to you. Honestly though, for an 870 or 500, your best deal will likely be at a Dick's or similar large sporting goods store. Last I looked, they stocked the HD shotguns and I think even had a marine version there. They tend to get great prices on common guns like that because they deal in such volume.

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I think it's pretty much the wild west here in Texas. If you remember a few years back a guy was watching over his neighbors house and seen guys stealing from it and shot them dead. They let him go. Don't rob a house in Texas!

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OK great...thanks for the info! One last question...is there a waiting period when buying a shotgun? I'm in no rush but would be interested in knowing. Thanks!

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Anybody have any thoughts on a HK 45c?? My local store has a like new one for 889. They said it has been fired once. Good deal? I've only shot the full size 45.

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Nothing federally mandated. Nothing in NY, and I sure as hell would assume there would be no waiting period in TX, but I've never lived there so I can't say for sure. You will be required to go through an instant background check (if yo buy from a dealer) though. Assuming you have a clean record, are a citizen, and there's no confusion (you aren't the 98378th Bob Smith in your town), its usually a 15 minute process from starting the paperwork to getting your approval.

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Cool..thanks again for the info!

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make sure you get a light source to go on that scattergun you pick up. You can't effectively engage what you cannot see. You need to identify your target before you engage anyway...

-Z

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Consider the idea of a bad guy (from now on labeled as BG) running through your house with a gun. BG isn't going to stand still. 00 penetrates drywall quite well. If you live with a family or in close proximity to neighbors, it's not advisable to be taking crackshots at a BG when your consistently changing backdrop can leave people in danger considering the penetration of 00. Birdshot is enough to F a person up, but likely not kill them unless you hit them dead center from sub 10 yards with a cylinder choke. Either way, if you wing them, odds are they're going to drop like a brick. In the event they don't and continue to pose a threat. A near stationary and threat imposing target will be easily taken care of with a 00 followup.

That's my philosophy. Critique it as you feel necessary.

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:D Good reading guys.

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Luke, a great resource is http://www.galleryofguns.com/.
You can select a firearm, shop the exact model you want, pump in your zipcode, and it will give you instant quotes for them to ship to your local FFL dealers, painless, and you will probably find a pretty good deal. Not only are you mostly supporting local mom and pops instead of big box stores, may help you find some great local shops you never heard of.



Oh yeah, they have a lifetime guarantee when you purchase from them.


"At Davidson's, your satisfaction is our commitment. In fact, our commitment is so strong, that we have put together the only GuaranteeDSM Lifetime Replacement Warranty available in the firearms industry.

It works like this......

If anything ever goes wrong with any gun you buy with the Davidson's GuaranteeDSM Lifetime Replacement Warranty, it will be replaced. If no replacement is available, it will be repaired at no charge to you. Simple, just return it to the GuaranteeDSM retailer where you purchased it, pay for the return shipping and upon receipt Davidson's will ship you * BRAND NEW GUN.

So make sure every firearm you purchase works for you.
Ask for the GuaranteeDSM Lifetime Replacement Warranty. "

That's a pretty strong commitment to your continued satisfaction, in my book.

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Sounds reasonable.

In my particular situation, the prime places for a confrontation are confined, so there would be no lateral movement. If BG is running towards me, 00. If he's running away, no shot and hopefully the cops catch him.

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jm2c and not a reflection on anybody's plans or choices.

1. If a situation ever occurred (chances are it won't) one should have already thought out a plan and at the very minimum practiced it in his/her head.
2. One should have at a very minimum fired the weapon with the actual load they would use.

*if this ever really happens you are going to be disoriented, scared and on a adrenalin high.

I set a plan up where the weapon is handy and ready to go (this may not work with children around). I set zones at which point should an intruder come past that line I would react. If the intruder never crosses that line or doesn't threaten me, well....that's what the police and insurance are for.

For me that line is the door frame to the bed room. It is a white frame and easy to see in complete darkness. I have my wife grab a pistol and go into the bathroom (call police) and wait for me. I kneel with the bed as cover with a shotgun.

If somebody comes through the bedroom door (remember white frame), I shoot for center mass of white frame with 00 Buck. I shoot to put the threat completely down. I would not shoot to "wing".

If somebody is attempting to enter the main door and I happen to be able to wake up with time to react, I do the following. Have my wife grab a pistol, go in the bathroom and call police. I get the shotgun, load one round slug followed by 00 buck. I then position myself behind couch with clear shot at door. The slug will go through a metal security door and the 00 buck would take care of anything else.

Access threat and threat level, wash, rinse, repeat and/or wait for Police.

Reality....this will never happen as the odds are greatly in my favor of never being rob/assulted....but I like to know I have a plan.


Word to the wise. Dead people don't sue in civil court.


everybody has a plan until they get hit

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All good points... But remember, the BGs family, can, and do sue. And sometimes they win, even though their family member was threatening a life.
the justice system sometimes doesn't work. Still, better alive and broke, or in jail than the alternative.

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You must not live in the same part of Orlando as me then. I don't even walk my dog without a gun in my pants.

Come at me or my family and you aren't testifying in court. Guaranteed. (not YOU personally, just any scumbag that makes the front page headlines daily in my local newspaper.)

Main plan in my head is not to speak without a lawyer with the exception of, "I was scared for my life."

I'm not a vigilante or a toughguy, just a firm supporter of my second ammendment rights and tired of the crap I see every day and will never let my ccw expire.

Guy walked into the Kangaroo convenience store near my house a few weeks ago and tried to rob the pregnant girl working the register at gunpoint. A good samaritan blew the bg's brains out and deserves a medal for it.

As much as I'd like a few AR's and such, a gunvault on my nightstand holding a loaded 38 and a very well hidden Mossberg shotgun and motion sensors and 2 way alarms make me feel safer at night. With children in my house, that's as much as I feel comfortable with.

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Reposting this since I got caught in the middle of a gun fight (full pun intended :))

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Neither do I ;) I imposed the scenario as a hypothetical with a contingency in the event the shot didn't drop them.

I trust my shot placement enough to be comfortable with birdshot on the first shot. For the record, I'm not talking #7/8, I'm talking #3.

What I don't like the idea of is a lateral shot that I cannot take because of a backdrop. A situation that gives the BG the upper hand and leaves the shotgun in my hand useless unless I maneuver or he moves.

And while I'm completely confident in my shot placement. The probability of putting all 8-12 00 pellots completely on target... lets just say I've taken enough probability in college to know that's a bit of a stretch to assume you'll have maximum hits on target.

Regardless of any of this, if the BG turns tail and runs, good luck winning in court if you shoot him in the back. (This depends on state laws)



And for the record... your plan works unless you have kids. Food for thought.

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Great discussion guys! Back on the 870...do they not make the HD model anymore? On the Remington site I only see the Express models which look similar (and a ton of them at that!)

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The main reason I don't like bird shot is that will not penetrate through heavy clothing or leather at reasonable distances and has no real kinetic energy when it hits the target.

The real issue to have a weapon your comfortable with using, a plan of what you would do, and some reasonable amount of practice with the weapon.

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I live downtown and I carry at night. (although it's not that dangerous if you keep on the main streets, in well lit areas, & during party hours) I always carry a baton with me in a side pouch in a messenger bag during the day.

Considering the amount of bums that live around here, I've never seen a fight or altercation. Even on the crazy nights like Halloween, it's just plain drunken debauchery and nudity.

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:tu

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Not sure to be honest... I bought my HD years ago.

I'm pretty sure this is it... just with a different name.

http://remington.com/products/firear...c-7-round.aspx

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Holy Cow! I think they have expanded the 870 line in recent years. There is like 50 options now.

I have the 870 Super Mag Synthetic. I love it. It is a hunting model - only holds 5 rounds "unplugged"

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That's why I use 3" #4 buckshot. 41 pellets. From the ballistics research I've read, and the ranges in my home, that seems like a good compromise between stopping power, pattern, and penetration.

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Have you tested it to prove the research though?

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wow, the Mexican drug lords are not only well armed, but also gold plating their Uzis...

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...lords_3028.jpg

guess when the money piles up, you gotta find some way to spend it...

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...lords_2111.jpg