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chand 01-22-2011 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Partagaspete (Post 1144359)
If I was Snow I would lay out the plan as I said earlier and if he still won report than F him let him sit out with no pay for no play...I figured it would pla out the way it is so far. I am still hoping he will change his mind and report. We need something to go our way on the island.


T

I hear that. On second read of the details, the Isles have two choices if Nabby refuses to report - suspend him or waive him. There is no order of precedence for this second waiver. If they waive him the Wings will claim him. The way Snow is talking, the Isles will not let him go. Good for him. I hope he can make it work.

Ahbroody 01-22-2011 09:22 PM

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hmmmmmmm I wonder why the Sharks finally said F U.

Partagaspete 01-23-2011 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1144413)
hmmmmmmm I wonder why the Sharks finally said F U.

I think the sharks cut ties because he was absolutley meh in play-off hockey and as a hockey fan we all know ockey in the play-offs is different than regular season and he couldn't adjust.

Kinda like marty schottenheimer great regular season coach but...

T

ChicagoWhiteSox 01-23-2011 11:11 AM

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Still no score after 1 period in the Hawks/Flyers

icehog3 01-23-2011 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1144413)
hmmmmmmm I wonder why the Sharks finally said F U.

Sharks are said to be intersted stlil...they are not happy with the Antis...

icehog3 01-23-2011 02:33 PM

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Hawks lose, but it wasn't their worst game of the season.

Dad and are going again Tuesday. :)

Ahbroody 01-23-2011 07:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Partagaspete (Post 1144579)
I think the sharks cut ties because he was absolutley meh in play-off hockey and as a hockey fan we all know ockey in the play-offs is different than regular season and he couldn't adjust.

Kinda like marty schottenheimer great regular season coach but...

T

The Sharks did not need a goalie who craps his pants in the playoff and has a few seasons left. Last year he made some comments about his value and his value to the team and there were somethings said both ways that was not positive. Part of the reason he played better in the playoffs at times last year was it was a k year. That said there was a reason the Sharks did not even make an offer of any shape or kind. This was during the regular season also. When asked the GM always refused to discuss the mater. Nabokov was alleged to have made some comments regarding how the Sharks needed him, and other teams wanted him. It was not a great relationship in the end.

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1145301)
Sharks are said to be intersted stlil...they are not happy with the Antis...

Did you read that somewhere and if so can I have the link. I had not heard this. My buddy laughed when I asked about it saying they had 2 goalies not playing great, why would they bring him in and create a couple of headcases. They wouldnt want him for the playoffs so why would they want him to get the starts during the regular season and make the 2 goalies they intend on using rusty? Bringing him in makes less then no sense and would move the team backwards. Well atleast thats what my buddy said feeling was. Remember the Sharks were the ones who said GTFO. I would just want to read the GM stating he wanted him because it goes against the talk I hear from people working at the rink.

chand 01-23-2011 07:49 PM

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Seen Stamkos? #38 on the year! Go Bolts!

icehog3 01-24-2011 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1145715)

Did you read that somewhere and if so can I have the link. I had not heard this. My buddy laughed when I asked about it saying they had 2 goalies not playing great, why would they bring him in and create a couple of headcases. They wouldnt want him for the playoffs so why would they want him to get the starts during the regular season and make the 2 goalies they intend on using rusty? Bringing him in makes less then no sense and would move the team backwards. Well atleast thats what my buddy said feeling was. Remember the Sharks were the ones who said GTFO. I would just want to read the GM stating he wanted him because it goes against the talk I hear from people working at the rink.

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Originally Posted by ESPN insider
We learned a lot of interesting things during this Evgeni Nabokov saga, and one of them is that the San Jose Sharks are actively looking for an upgrade in goalie. The Fourth Period's David Pagnotta tweets that the Sharks put in a claim for Nabokov, which means they aren't happy with their current goaltending.

Had the Sharks landed Nabokov, it likely would've meant Antti Niemi or Antero Nitttymaki would've been hitting the trading block. Given Niemi's one-year deal, he might've been the odd man out.

But more interestingly, this reveals a lot about the future of the Sharks' goalies. First off, it probably means Niemi isn't going to be retained beyond this season. If you'll remember, the Sharks nabbed Niemi in free agency after the Blackhawks declined his arbitration number. After leading the Hawks to a Stanley Cup, Niemi was obviously hoping to have a big year and earn a huge contract next offseason -- but that probably isn't happening after this year. As for Niittymaki, Sharks GM Doug Wilson was hoping he'd be the answer in goal for at least the next two seasons, but that hasn't been the case. So perhaps the Sharks will look for an upgrade in goal, if that becomes available in the next few months.

Here you go, Mike. I cut and pasted it in case you aren't an ESPN Insider subscriber.

Sawyer 01-24-2011 05:30 AM

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Thrashers are falling apart. It is getting ridiculous.

357 01-24-2011 07:37 AM

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I know in some pro leagues when you put in a waiver claim the team that signed him is compensated in some way. Will the Isles have to give the Wings something for snagging Nabokov?

chand 01-24-2011 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1146053)
I know in some pro leagues when you put in a waiver claim the team that signed him is compensated in some way. Will the Isles have to give the Wings something for snagging Nabokov?

As far as I know Detroit would have him free and clear if he is put an waivers. OTH I hear that SJ also put a claim on him when the Isles did. So that may complicate the issues.

357 01-24-2011 08:53 AM

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I know, but what I meant is he was signed by the Wings and someone else claimed him. In some leagues that means the team who claimed him owes the Wings some sort of compensation. Does the NHL do this? If so what, if any, criteria are used to determine that compensation?

Ahbroody 01-24-2011 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1145894)
Here you go, Mike. I cut and pasted it in case you aren't an ESPN Insider subscriber.

Man my buddy is a trainer. LoL guess he is not in the loop. :r wont be listening to his ass anymore.

I cant believe they would bring him in after everything. I guess at that price they figure wtf?
I know they are big on staylock, but hes still young I guess.

I cant seem to find any major source who will go on record saying the Sharks did that. Not even Ecklunds site, but I guess its possible.

chand 01-24-2011 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1146135)
I know, but what I meant is he was signed by the Wings and someone else claimed him. In some leagues that means the team who claimed him owes the Wings some sort of compensation. Does the NHL do this? If so what, if any, criteria are used to determine that compensation?

Only if he was on their roster as a restricted free agent and was signed to an offer sheet. The wing will either get nothing [Isles keep Nabby] or they will get Nabby if the isles waive him or attempt a trade with a a 3rd team. There is no compensation due.

Ahbroody 01-24-2011 09:26 AM

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Maybe maybe not.
I thought I just read that all the teams who put in a claim would have first rights if he is waived. The team lowest in the standings would have first right. Given Toms post Sharks would get him before wings. Found another rumor that said Hawks put in claim. There are no main sources going on record so its kind of hard to know who put in claims.

I kind of wonder if both Sharks and Hawks alleged claims have as much to do with hurting the Wings as getting Nabokov. I still want to believe the trainer I know who said they wouldnt want him in the playoffs so why would we have him play the season.

Talk about one huge cluster fock

357 01-24-2011 09:34 AM

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Interesting. I know in the NFL the Lions started using their low standings to their favor and grabbing guys (off the waiver wire) they know were wanted; just so they could trade them for 7th round pics. It ended up netting them a few decent players in the long run.

Wonder if any of the waiver snipers are willing to trade Nabby elsewhere.

Ahbroody 01-24-2011 09:44 AM

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See Mike that might be it and makes more sense to me then them playing Nabby. There is some bad blood.

Sharks are in desperate need of Dmen its no secret. If they got him they may be able to grab one solid dman in exchange. Who knows though with the trainwrecks in the pipes and on D either is possible. Trade bait does make sense though. That would also explain why the Isles got him first. Dont get any lower. :r

chand 01-24-2011 09:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1146135)
I know, but what I meant is he was signed by the Wings and someone else claimed him. In some leagues that means the team who claimed him owes the Wings some sort of compensation. Does the NHL do this? If so what, if any, criteria are used to determine that compensation?

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1146197)
Maybe maybe not.
I thought I just read that all the teams who put in a claim would have first rights if he is waived. The team lowest in the standings would have first right. Given Toms post Sharks would get him before wings. Found another rumor that said Hawks put in claim. There are no main sources going on record so its kind of hard to know who put in claims.

I kind of wonder if both Sharks and Hawks alleged claims have as much to do with hurting the Wings as getting Nabokov. I still want to believe the trainer I know who said they wouldnt want him in the playoffs so why would we have him play the season.

Talk about one huge cluster fock

I was under the impression that only applied if he was put on waivers before a trade and that if he was simply waived then it was a free for all with no restrictions. :sh The situation seem highly convoluted so I could be wrong in my assessment. There is also speculation that the Isles could make an appeal to the League to shelf the contract until 20011-12, keeping Nabby from being a free agent this summer and forcing him to play a year on the island. Sounds like a prison sentence to me. ;s:r

icehog3 01-24-2011 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sawyer (Post 1145983)
Thrashers are falling apart. It is getting ridiculous.

They were playing a bit above their talent level, at least on paper. They will have to right the ship soon to hang onto a playoff spot.

The whole Nabokov thing is interesting to watch. From a selfish standpoint, I would like to see him sign with the Sharks, and then have the Hawks meet the Sharks again in the playoffs. ;)

357 01-24-2011 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1146303)
They were playing a bit above their talent level, at least on paper. They will have to right the ship soon to hang onto a playoff spot.

The whole Nabokov thing is interesting to watch. From a selfish standpoint, I would like to see him sign with the Sharks, and then have the Hawks meet the Sharks again in the playoffs. ;)

:r Tom!

I just wanted him to pickup some of the games Osgood is going to miss. I don't want Howard to have to start 75 regular season games and then have nothing left by playoff time. (pardon the exaggeration).

Ahbroody 01-24-2011 11:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1146303)
They were playing a bit above their talent level, at least on paper. They will have to right the ship soon to hang onto a playoff spot.

The whole Nabokov thing is interesting to watch. From a selfish standpoint, I would like to see him sign with the Sharks, and then have the Hawks meet the Sharks again in the playoffs. ;)

Provided both teams make it. Thanks for the knife in ghe back Tom. Always got to twist it a little. :r

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Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1146368)
I don't want Howard to have to start 75 regular season games and then have nothing left by playoff time.

I do. Maybe father time will be back again this year, although the Wings are only slowing down a little.

icehog3 01-24-2011 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1146382)
Provided both teams make it. Thanks for the knife in ghe back Tom. Always got to twist it a little. :r



I do. Maybe father time will be back again this year, although the Wings are only slowing down a little.

Sorry, Mike, I need to be more understanding this season with our teams on the bubble instead of 1-2. ;)

Father Time? Lidstrom leads the freaking NHL in D-man scoring! :r

ChicagoWhiteSox 01-25-2011 06:58 PM

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Good game in Chicago so far. Hawks came out ready to go that's for sure.

ChicagoWhiteSox 01-25-2011 07:02 PM

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Damn Crawford has made some big saves!

GHC_Hambone 01-25-2011 10:45 PM

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Hawks.....come on......

Ahbroody 01-25-2011 11:59 PM

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Man the wild are hot right now. The Sharks got them, but that game was close.
They dont come right at you like say Det or Van. They are just always they to get you on a transition if you screw up. They just keep it close and get you when you make a mistake.

icehog3 01-26-2011 01:33 AM

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:td

yourchoice 01-26-2011 07:52 AM

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Flyers win their 1,000 home game last night with an impressive showing against the Canadiens. :tu First expansion era team to reach this milestone.

A weird caveat to this feat....three of their "home" wins were in Quebec City! :r

Ahbroody 01-26-2011 09:26 AM

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How does that work joel?
Congrats to the flyer's and their fans. They are big strong nasty and can score. Pronger may be back to the finals this year and get to lift the cup.

yourchoice 01-26-2011 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1149013)
How does that work joel?

In March of 1968, The Spectrum's roof either collapsed or blew off causing them to move their home games to other venues. At the time, the Flyers minor league affiliate was in Quebec City, so they played several games there. According to wiki, they played the Oakland Seals in New York and Boston in Toronto also. They must have lost those games since only three of their wins were at a 'home away from home'.
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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1149013)
Pronger may be back to the finals this year and get to lift the cup.

I am so hoping you are right, Mike! :D

chand 01-26-2011 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1149013)
How does that work joel?
Congrats to the flyer's and their fans. They are big strong nasty and can score. Pronger may be back to the finals this year and get to lift the cup.

Well, he at least he can add to his puck collection. :r

icehog3 01-26-2011 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chand (Post 1149038)
Well, he at least he can add to his puck collection. :r

:r :r

chand 01-30-2011 06:24 AM

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Several FBI agents, off duty apparently, are involved in finding the missing Stanley Cup winning puck.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=351628

Still smirking Pronger?

Ahbroody 01-31-2011 07:55 AM

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Decent allstar game. Watched parts of the skills competition while I was at work. I always prefer the skills competition over the game.

icehog3 01-31-2011 10:05 AM

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I am ready to get back to real hockey...watched it all, it's a hoot...but it's hardly hockey.

Ahbroody 01-31-2011 10:51 AM

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You know the NHL is not helping itself having this game the same weekend as the probowl. Granted I didnt know it was probowl weekened till sunday, but its not helping win the casual fan having it the same day.

Ahbroody 02-01-2011 09:46 PM

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Screaming at the tv is not healthy. So far glad I sold tonights tickets

icehog3 02-01-2011 10:18 PM

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Niemi soft or is it the D?

Two shorties for the Hawks in their win tonight. :tu

icehog3 02-01-2011 10:30 PM

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Whoa, Big Shark comeback!

Ahbroody 02-01-2011 11:14 PM

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The D was brutal Tom.
On the third goal the goal scorer had a dman infront and behind. They were both caught watching the skater with the puck.

Based on what mclellan said and wellwood said. The coach Mclellan pealed the paint after the second period. Nice to see the team respond, but to say he appeared pissed is putting it mildly. Hell of a comeback and Eager and Wellwood played a big part in the hustle and heart area.

Maley went after Drew Remenda Sharks announcer after the game. Long story, but basically implied you aint played the game so STFU! Kind of classic love males.

kugie 02-02-2011 06:14 AM

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Nice win by the B's last Night.

Two goals in the third sealed it.

4 Points points up on the Habs

Bruins Fan 02-02-2011 07:51 AM

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We will find out about Savard very soon?
Put him on the shelf for the season, use the cap money to pick up a goal scorer somewhere? And I'll feel better.
At 33 Savards career is over, it will probably take a couple years for him to get healthy? Time to move on.

icehog3 02-02-2011 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1158380)

Maley went after Drew Remenda Sharks announcer after the game. Long story, but basically implied you aint played the game so STFU! Kind of classic love males.

I'd love to hear more of this story.

yourchoice 02-02-2011 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by chand (Post 1154461)
Several FBI agents, off duty apparently, are involved in finding the missing Stanley Cup winning puck.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=351628

Still smirking Pronger?

Wrong puck...Pronger took game 4's puck, not game 6's. Unless there's a story he took that one too. :sh

Terrible showing by the Flyers last night. Got in an early 3-0 hole and couldn't even begin to dig themselves out of it. 0-3 against the Lightning this year, a team they could likely meet in the playoffs. They better figure something out.

chand 02-02-2011 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by yourchoice (Post 1158900)
Wrong puck...Pronger took game 4's puck, not game 6's. Unless there's a story he took that one too. :sh

Terrible showing by the Flyers last night. Got in an early 3-0 hole and couldn't even begin to dig themselves out of it. 0-3 against the Lightning this year, a team they could likely meet in the playoffs. They better figure something out.

No proof on the Game 6 puck, but if you'll steal one its not out of bounds to suggest that it might be habitual. Just instigating. Oh, is instigation still a penalty? Off to the box then. "You do that, you go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free.":r

Seriously though, the Flyers scare me the most going into the playoffs so here's hoping they don't figure it out this year. ;)

Ahbroody 02-02-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1158830)
I'd love to hear more of this story.

Thats his nickname, and I thought about not using it, but meh.
Arse!

as to the story. Males and Hedican were doing a post game discussion saying it was a great win because they battled back scorring 5 goals in under 21minutes to win the game and Staylock the rookie stood on his head. Drew made fun of them saying typical players. No one should be happy and everyone should be pissed because it showed they didnt play and had no motivation again for almost 40 minutes. Then Pavs and a few players sacked up after the coach ripped them a new arse and won the game. No one should be happy etc etc and only players would be happy right now.

Maley is a classic hard nose guy who kind of had that bit$ch stfu reply and made fun of Drew saying having only been a coach and clearly not a good one because hes doing color now his opinion wasnt very important. Also he stated of course the players were pissed, that didnt need to be mentioned.

Nowing Maley a little and having had some talks with him I could tell he wanted to choke Drew right through the monitor and was extremely irritated. Kind of funny. Also funny hes dying his hair. :r

Mr B 02-02-2011 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1158991)
Thats his nickname, and I thought about not using it, but meh.
Arse!

as to the story. Males and Hedican were doing a post game discussion saying it was a great win because they battled back scorring 5 goals in under 21minutes to win the game and Staylock the rookie stood on his head. Drew made fun of them saying typical players. No one should be happy and everyone should be pissed because it showed they didnt play and had no motivation again for almost 40 minutes. Then Pavs and a few players sacked up after the coach ripped them a new arse and won the game. No one should be happy etc etc and only players would be happy right now.

Maley is a classic hard nose guy who kind of had that bit$ch stfu reply and made fun of Drew saying having only been a coach and clearly not a good one because hes doing color now his opinion wasnt very important. Also he stated of course the players were pissed, that didnt need to be mentioned.

Nowing Maley a little and having had some talks with him I could tell he wanted to choke Drew right through the monitor and was extremely irritated. Kind of funny. Also funny hes dying his hair. :r

The wife, kids and I got a pretty good laugh at Maleys comments last night.

Sad first 39 minutes and a great final 21. Lets hope thay can "show up" earlier and earlier moving forward.

357 02-02-2011 01:59 PM

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Wings getting Cleary back tonight; Datsyuk and Holmstrom due back this weekend. Getting these three back should be a big help.

icehog3 02-02-2011 02:48 PM

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Wish I could see the clip, Mike, thanks for the backstory!


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