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When the Seahawks win, the kids at the children's hospital win!

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I am a Mets fan and I am glad the cheaters got caught.

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Well regardless of the outcome I hope he goes anyway. I know RD Jr. is making the most of his second chance in life and does a lot of charity and kids events, would love to see Chris Evans follow suit. Bam! play on words.

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I work night shift; I haven't seen a game all season. I was just asking the question. You're right: it is always cold when they play, but how often are they measured after a game, always or only upon protest? BTW, I hate cheating too, I just want what happens to be based on science and not emotion.

As for who uses what balls, I thought it was like Baseball, where the home team supplies all the balls for the game.

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Sorry Vin, gotta call BS on this. If the Jags cheated we would actually be amazed that they were paying attention...

:ss

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At the end of the day, NFL is just entertainment and should be treated as such.

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At the end of the day, NFL is just a multi-billion dollar business and should be regulated as such.

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Since they switched back to fully inflated balls at halftime it seems the Pats handicapped themselves in the first half.
I wonder how many of the players are wearing special braces or other appliances that enhance their performance. Everyone does anything they think they can get away with. I grew up in the Drugged Up Players years when they used every steroid and stimulant and pain killer they could imagine. It was fair, I guess, cuz they were all doing it.

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Belichick should be BANNED from the NFL!

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Yes, just like Mike McCarthy was banned after Aaron Rodgers admitted to cheating with over-inflated footballs. Wait, that never happened, nor was Rodgers even punished at all.
Nor was Mike Pettine banned after Josh Gordon's suspension for using PEDs.
Nor was Andy Reid banned after Dwayne Bowe and Rokevious Watkins were suspended for violating the league's substance abuse policy.
Nor was Tom Coughlin banned after Jayron Hosley's suspension for violating the league's substance abuse policy.
Nor was Joe Philbin banned after Dion Jordan and Reshad Jones were suspended for using PED's.
And on, and on, and on...

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Absolutely right. And this is perfect justification for ignoring any present violations, and the perfect excuse to continue to let things go on forever into the future.

Two wrongs may not make a right, but apparently constant wrongs become a right.

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Gee, from all the heated emotions you'd think football was actually important.
BTW, there is nothing so sweet, cool or wonderful that cannot be totally destroyed by regulation; after all, look how much it's done for our hobby.

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I miss Jack Tatum.

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Best post in the entire thread!

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I totally agree. Hey I love the pats, do I care if they cheated? No. Do I want them to win the superbowl? Yes. But regardless of the outcome of the game or the cheating, I still have to wake up and go to work monday morning.

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NFL's takeaway should be to supply the game day balls with no QB or Kicker preference. Start off with new footballs at beginning of each season.

Each stadium has a NFL officials only locked container and those the only ball used for the game. Each one has a serial numbers on them.

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+1

It could also benefit the collectables market to have verifiable serial numbers that could be connected to specific games and plays. A whole new product from the NFL.

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I think that would be the selling point for them, the whole consistency thing would just be the side effect

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That's how self interest produces positive results. Capitalism 101 :D

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:r

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this!!!

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I wish they would just hurry up and fire the guy that video tapes the practices so we can move on from this.

That being said, hell when the WS was in CO they had a special humidor to regulate the baseballs so they didn't dry out and become harder, so it's not out of the realm of possibility for a major sport to regulate the balls they play with ... phrasing!

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I was commenting about government regulation, not self regulation.

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Yes that's what we need.

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Oh, I wasn't advocating it.

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:tu I was just treading lightly and bowing out, you never know and didn't want to turn this into something... bad. :r

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:tu

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There was one interesting hypothesis floated on the 98.5 (Masshole's know this station) where someone said the balls could've been filled with very hot air to pressure, measured by NFL and then when the temp drops (or normalizes), they are under inflated. In doing this, the Pats did not "break a rule" as they were filled to the correct temp and not deflated or altered before the game. The bladder and leather are thick enough where the refs would not know the air inside was heated...

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Thats possible but very unlikely. To get pressure changes of what is being rumored the air temp would need to drop 100 degrees or more.

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A 10% pressure change would take a 10% temperature change or a 10% volume change. Or some combination.
P=V/T , T is *K (absolute)
Maybe the leather was dried out so that it stretched a bit as it rehumidified.

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PS. I did the math. It turns out that a drop 85*F would do it. Less if the balls stretched for some reason. I don't think this is likely.

If only people cared so much about laws being broken by people who enforce the laws against them. (IRS)

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The ratio equations I found show .10% +/- for every 10% in degrees C.

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I still dont think it affected the outcome of the game very much.

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In the CFL ... The offense supplies the game ( in use ) balls ... Your offense your private/personal balls ... Other teams offense = their balls .

Problem solved .

Derrek

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We can learn much from our neighbors to the north. Poutine should have taught us that lesson long ago.


:D

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200 degree hot air, 40 degree playing temperature is quite swing and could be enough to do the trick. A pure oxygen would also permeate through the bladder faster than normal air.

Would 140 degree temperature swing be enough to deflate the balls?

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I believe if I am reading this correctly this is what we do here, the patriots supply the balls for the patriots offense and the colts supplied the balls for the colts offense, this is how every game is and why it's such a big deal and "unfair advantage" to the Patriots because the balls they were playing with (giggle) were easier to grip / throw and catch, specially in that weather.

Or did I read something wrong there, my comprehension is just above wino this morning.

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You read it correctly, he typed it poorly. I had to read it 3 or 4 times to figure out what he means...

In that league, the home team provides the game balls for BOTH teams offenses. ie - a single set of game balls everyone uses

In our league, each team brings their own set. ie - two sets of game balls, one for each offensive unit

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Yes, each team currently uses their own balls. Interestingly, the change was spearheaded by P. Manning and Brady back in 2006. I kind of remember it being referred to then as the Manning/Brady Rule. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...d-deflategame/

IMHO, if Brady is so adamant about how his balls feel, he would have noticed they were 2lbs under inflated...imagine a pro golfer being handed a different driver than they use every day. They would notice it in a second.

I predict a severe penalty after the Super Bowl, Belecheck getting suspended, possibly (but unlikely) Brady, draft pick(s) and fines. Too big of a story and second time getting caught. :2

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I predict they will lose the third round draft pick and the team will be fined something under $100 k. So basically a slap on the wrists. That the team will barely notice. Not even as severe as the last time.

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Thinking further on this, I have concluded that were I Brady and married to Gisele, my balls would be deflated also.

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I read that balls inflated at 68ºF to 13.5 psi will read 11.6psi at 32ºF but that wasn't the temperature at game time. I read an article where the reporter spoke with a former NFL ball boy. He said that they all inflate their balls to suit the QB, scrub the surface with a brush to remove the slippery coating and then bring them to the Refs locker room. He said that there was always a gauge there but they usually just squeezed and thumped them a bit and examined the laces. He also stated that everybody rolls the dice on inflation pressures figuring that if a couple get rejected it's no big deal. He went on to say that once the balls are approved they move directly to the field where it would be nearly impossible to tamper with them without being seen. An under-inflated ball, though easier to grip, would only be useful in short situations as it would not carry as far, thrown or kicked. If the NFL were serious about cheating, they would start vacating wins where cheating is found. I've never heard of that happening.

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Friggin Flaccid Football Flingers! :hy

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Belecheck was saying they tested several balls at different psi's and no one could tell what the psi was with any accuracy of each ball.

I believe you are correct in what will happen after the Super Bowl, but I think the fine will be light (if any fine is assigned). The rest of the league I'd imagine does not want this precedent set for something they are all in violation of at some point during the season...

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I wouldn't expect them to be able to tell you what the psi was of the ball, but he didn't say people couldn't tell which ones were under-inflated and easier to grip.

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Here is the latest statement out of Foxboro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RGRyTGUbv4

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:r:r:r