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CamoFlogged 06-22-2013 11:16 AM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by markem (Post 1852952)
If it works well and his sticks are how he likes them, then people should leave him alone.

Preach it :banger

pektel 06-22-2013 11:43 AM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by markem (Post 1852952)
It works for him. Why does that bother some people around here so much? If it works well and his sticks are how he likes them, then people should leave him alone.

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Originally Posted by pektel (Post 1852949)
From the HCM webiste:

"In order to get the same humidity buffering benefit from kitty litter as from HCM beads, a person would need to use 9 to 14 pounds of kitty litter as compared to one pound of HCM beads. At $50 for a pound of HCM beads and $28 for 14 pounds of kitty litter, it appears at first to be a "value". The problem is, in order for the Kitty litter to work as well as one pound of HCM beads, it needs to be arranged so as to provide 910 square inches of surface area as opposed to 65 square inches of surface area for HCM beads. Are you willing to spare that kind of space in your humidor?

Even at that rate, the kitty litter is far slower reactively than are HCM beads. They can handle the buffering and provide the volume needed, but they take much longer to recover the RH of the conditioned space."


This is from people who have done the math. Not someone who simply added KL to a humidor and watched a hygro.

If you live in an area where the RH doesn't stray too far from your ideal range for your cigars, then the KL may work just fine. You won't catch me with KL in my humis though. Northern MN goes through a little bit of humidity swings between the seasons.

Which is why I added the statement in red above.

ky70 06-22-2013 01:21 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by pektel (Post 1852949)
This is from people who have done the math. Not someone who simply added KL to a humidor and watched a hygro.

Correction, 3 hygrometers...and 3 local meteorologists from 3 local news channels with advanced degrees from the weather institute and experience flying hot air balloons over extended distances in less than ideal weather conditions.:r

icehog3 06-22-2013 01:41 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
Chicago's RH is definitely all over the place from season to season, if not day to day. I would not opt for KL in my humidor, but like Mark said, if Ken is happy with it, more power to him.

badbriar 06-29-2013 09:22 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
My wineador is holding rock solid at 63% humidity after the past month. Personally, I'd try the wet brick if it didn't take up so much room and worked. So long as the humidification source is safe and works well, I couldn't care less what it is. Just happens that the KL only cost me $9 bucks and I've only used approx 1.33# spread out over 5 small trays. Lots left if the need arises. So far, the wineador is much more stable than any of my wooden humidors were. Extremely pleased with results. Appreciate positive info and advice from everyone. :tu
RR

ky70 07-01-2013 11:05 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by badbriar (Post 1855734)
My wineador is holding rock solid at 63% humidity after the past month. Personally, I'd try the wet brick if it didn't take up so much room and worked. So long as the humidification source is safe and works well, I couldn't care less what it is. Just happens that the KL only cost me $9 bucks and I've only used approx 1.33# spread out over 5 small trays. Lots left if the need arises. So far, the wineador is much more stable than any of my wooden humidors were. Extremely pleased with results. Appreciate positive info and advice from everyone. :tu
RR

Happy to hear it! Let us know how it holds up.

ky70 11-20-2013 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ky70 (Post 1852786)
Hello guys,
Just wanted to post an update. At this point I'm a beleiver and KL has performed much better than I even hoped. I'm in or around month 4 of using KL through 3 different seasons here in Chicago (started in winter, went through spring, and am now in summer with recent above 80 degree days) and I still have yet to touch my KL in my coolidor (Humidity STILL holding at 65/66). Not exaggerating here, as I literally have not done a thing to my KL since I got the humidity where I wanted it apprx 4 months ago.

I am convinced at this point and to those who frown on the KL, to each their own, but my personal experience voids all the anecdotal evidence I've read against KL.

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Originally Posted by Jbailey (Post 1852805)
Keep us posted.

Update: I reached about 9 months without having to lift a finger as my humidity held solid between 64-67 in my coolidor using KL. The humidity finally dipped to the very low 60s today so I added distilled water to the KL to try and bring the humidity up a bit. But I'm more than pleased with my results.

Subvet642 11-20-2013 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 1835794)
I'm sure your cat really doesn't care about the brand you're using when it goes to piss and **** in it.

Yes, but they also scratch in it, too and then they lick themselves clean. I'd rather use something that won't harm them if they ingest any, so we use a corn based litter. For my humidors I use humidity beads.:D

CigarNut 11-20-2013 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ky70 (Post 1901095)
Update: I reached about 9 months without having to lift a finger as my humidity held solid between 64-67 in my coolidor using KL. The humidity finally dipped to the very low 60s today so I added distilled water to the KL to try and bring the humidity up a bit. But I'm more than pleased with my results.

What is the ambient RH in the room where you keep your coolerdor?

ky70 11-20-2013 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CigarNut (Post 1901133)
What is the ambient RH in the room where you keep your coolerdor?

Last I checked (a few weeks ago), it was somewhere in the 40s. But I will check again.

Sadden 11-20-2013 03:36 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by ky70 (Post 1901095)
Update: I reached about 9 months without having to lift a finger as my humidity held solid between 64-67 in my coolidor using KL. The humidity finally dipped to the very low 60s today so I added distilled water to the KL to try and bring the humidity up a bit. But I'm more than pleased with my results.


Well im glad you figured out something that works for you.

Smoqman 11-20-2013 03:44 PM

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I've got a 14lb bag of Exquisicat and would be happy to send anyone a pound or 3, free - no charge.

PM me and I'll send it out.

Smoqman 11-20-2013 04:00 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by pektel (Post 1852949)
Northern MN goes through a little bit of humidity swings between the seasons.

Happy to see a fellow Minnesotan here on the board ;)

ky70 11-20-2013 10:18 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by CigarNut (Post 1901133)
What is the ambient RH in the room where you keep your coolerdor?

44/43ish

http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/v...psbe044266.jpg

ky70 02-06-2014 11:42 AM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
Deep in the middle of winter now and the humidity in the room is down to 31. KL is holding steady in the low 60s (I let it drop to a lower humidity to accommodate Habanos).

icehog3 02-06-2014 01:34 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
I decided to give kitty litter a try, but my humidity is all over the map. Am I doing it wrong?



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stearns 02-06-2014 01:35 PM

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not enough cats...

:lv

AdamJoshua 02-06-2014 05:01 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by ky70 (Post 1931798)
Deep in the middle of winter now and the humidity in the room is down to 31. KL is holding steady in the low 60s (I let it drop to a lower humidity to accommodate Habanos).

You do pull the erm tootsie rolls and clumps out first right?

http://media.catmoji.com/post/v3af/awww-3-sad-face.jpg

ky70 02-08-2014 03:07 PM

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Lol Tom!!

badbriar 03-16-2014 01:20 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
Been using the dreaded KL for 10 months now in my 18 bottle wineador, holding around 375 to 400 sticks and here's the results I've seen:

First off, KL is not as stable as 'real' beads. That said, they aren't terrible, just more work for a little less $$$.
If / when the power surges, the wineador temperature is programmed to reset to lowest temp, which is 54. When the temp is returned to 66, the humidity rises from 67 where I prefer it to 72-73. The fix is to replace the old KL with fresh, no water added. Humidity returns and stabilizes to 67 in about 3-4 days. Simply dry the old KL and it is good to re-use.
Over a period of 3-4 months, the humidity slowly climbs to 70+. Fix is same as outlined above. I
I live in hot, humid Central, FL and that is a factor in keeping the humidity down. Even through most of winter, the ambient humidity both outside and inside the house, is higher than what is desired in the wineador. That's the reason, along with a desire to prevent beetle infestation is why I went with a wineador.

KL has been a good experiment, but I will be moving to a bead system in my search for a rock solid, stable humidification in the cigar cave!

Conclusion is that KL is OK, but a bead system sounds to be better for a rock solid stable humidification source. I'll find out soon!

Note: no cats, kittens or other feline types were injured in the execution of this experiment, nor were they permitted to use said KL for the purpose of evacuation in any manner, as this may have had an unexpected impact upon the enjoyment of torching the cigars stored in the enclosed system, utilizing KL as a sole source of humidification control.

ky70 03-17-2014 10:17 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
Thanks for the update! Your results are good to add to the conversation though I can say that I didnt experience material fluctuations in humidity with KL once I got mine at the desired number. I'm over the 1 yr mark with KL in a coolidor and humidor and have been thrilled with the results.

I hope the beads work better for you. Good luck!

AdamJoshua 03-18-2014 11:27 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by badbriar (Post 1943786)
eads. That said, they aren't terrible, just more work for a little less $$$.
If / when the power surges, the wineador temperature is programmed to reset to lowest temp, which is 54. When the temp is returned to 66, the humidity rises from 67 where I prefer it to 72-73. The fix is to replace the old KL with fresh, no water added. Humidity returns and stabilizes to 67 in about 3-4 days. Simply dry the old KL and it is good to re-use.
Over a period of 3-4 months, the humidity slowly climbs to 70+. Fix is same as outlined above.

Wow that's a full 10% over mine, really goes to show you everyone likes their cigars at a different humidity. Rock on!

T.G 03-19-2014 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamJoshua (Post 1944742)
Wow that's a full 10% over mine, really goes to show you everyone likes their cigars at a different humidity. Rock on!

I think Rob meant that he prefers it at 67 and that, under certain conditions, can rise to 72-73. Unless you meant that you liked your cigars at 59-60 RH

Porch Dweller 03-19-2014 06:32 AM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 1944774)
I think Rob meant that he prefers it at 67 and that, under certain conditions, can rise to 72-73. Unless you meant that you liked your cigars at 59-60 RH

That's how I read it, too.

badbriar 03-19-2014 08:20 AM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 1944774)
I think Rob meant that he prefers it at 67 and that, under certain conditions, can rise to 72-73. Unless you meant that you liked your cigars at 59-60 RH

You got it! :tu

Another factor may be the relentlessly high humidity here in Florida. This winter, the humidity in the house was from 66% to over 80%. We rarely needed to run the heat and with the outside humidity being even higher, my issue is keeping the humidity down in the humidor and wineador. Surprisingly, KL has worked better than the el cheapo pucks in the cedar humi. Trying Boveda packs in there now. I'm looking to try the premium quality beads in the wineador to see if that is even more stable. Like I said before, KL is not terrible, but could be better. I like to try different experiments and move up in quality after seeing what's what. Done this with cutters, punches, humidors and KL. If I were smarter, I'd have saved a bundle just by going with better quality / known items in the first place! :gary

AdamJoshua 03-19-2014 08:22 AM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 1944774)
I think Rob meant that he prefers it at 67 and that, under certain conditions, can rise to 72-73. Unless you meant that you liked your cigars at 59-60 RH

You are absolutely right and my reading comprehension was **** last night.

baust55 05-18-2014 03:48 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
I have been using HF beads in my two 100ct humidors . I had to add a little distilled water every week in the dry winter . I bought an 18 bottle vinotemp wine cooler recently .
I decided to try some kitty litter in it . I have a cpl boxes and a few dozen sticks in it now . I started with about only 8oz of the kitty pearls.... holding right at 65% RH no water added since the cpl squirts I gave them to start 4 weeks ago . . RH IN ROOM IS about 50% . when I open the wineador the RH recovers quickly to 65% RH in just a cpl minutes.
Now two 2oz tubes of HF beads cost me $28 shipped.............. I got a giant 8lb bag of kitty pearls delivered for far less .....so far I have used only 8oz of the 8lb bag .
So even if I double THE Kitty litter in my humidor I will still have 7lb left so its ...way way ....way more thrifty than the HF beads ..

I like the HF beads but I am super cheap eeeeerrrr I mean thrifty .
so that goofy math trying to say kitty liter would be more expensive is laughable .

OK IN SIX MONTHS I WILL REPORT BACK

SO FAR KITTY LITTER WINS OVER HF BEADS !

AUSTIN

p.s
I am still using the (4 ...20Z Tubes) 8 oz of HF beads that cost me almost $40 I also am squirting them one a week to keep RHat 65%

Man I am kicking my ass for wasting all that money when I could have got twice as many KITTY beads for buck or two . DOH !

Chimneyfish 05-20-2014 08:00 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
stability issue is solved by one thing:
place the litter in a dish in an empty box and close the lid. that's the humidification method that works exquisitely!

that is... until i started to run out of space :)

badbriar 05-21-2014 05:27 AM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by AdamJoshua (Post 1931986)
You do pull the erm tootsie rolls and clumps out first right?

http://media.catmoji.com/post/v3af/awww-3-sad-face.jpg

Pull 'em??? Naaaaawwww.... I smoke 'em! :r :r :r

AdamJoshua 05-21-2014 04:03 PM

Re: What other brands cat litter?
 
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Originally Posted by Chimneyfish (Post 1963231)
stability issue is solved by one thing:
place the litter in a dish in an empty box and close the lid. that's the humidification method that works exquisitely!

I c wut you did thar!

http://0.tqn.com/d/petsupplies/1/0/J/0/-/-/cr.jpg

My cat doesn't care but she doesn't like the clay based as much, gets between her toes and she shakes her legs out funny to get the little pieces out.


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