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ktblunden 12-05-2011 08:38 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Some bands such as The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Elvis, and Led Zeppelin had such an impact on music at the time they came out that they will forever be remembered as some of the greatest artists ever. For people of their time periods, they were. They played stuff people had never heard before. They contributed to and influenced music as it sounds today. However, the newer generations have their own music they identify with, and the older acts don't always hold up after all this time has passed.

I don't begrudge people who think Led Zeppelin is the greatest band ever, but I also ask that they don't begrudge my opinion that I can't stand their music. I think you can respect the influence of the older acts without being forced to like and worship their music. There is a tendency on both sides of the aisle to look down on the other for either "living in the past" or for "not respecting the past." Both sides need to realize that everyone's taste in music is different.

All that being said, I really like later Beatles stuff. Their early songs are way too formulaic and trite for me, but the later stuff has some really impressive songwriting and structure.

Ashcan Bill 12-05-2011 08:49 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1492694)
I feel exactly the same way, both the Beatles and Zep. I usually get skewered for saying I don't care if I ever hear another Pink Floyd song again. I've had more than enough.
Same as always, to each his own, smoke what ya like... :tu
There are two groups from the "era" I've never had any use for. Floyd and the Bee Gees. The first I've always kinda considered to pretty much be stoner music, although I always preferred Ozzie when indulging. The second, I just don't know what the hell to call it. :lr

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLS (Post 1492712)
I am like this in that I can't listen to classic rock to save my life. I heard it new, I heard it as the
alternative to the new 70s and 80's am POP, I heard it as the 'classic alternative to alternative.
I have heard it over and over til I am blue in the face with it. That's why I latched on completely to punk
and alternative music. I didn't care what it was as long as it was NEW. That was great stuff in the 60s
and 70s, but don't make me listen to it now. I made it even worse on myself when I was in the service.
I had already lived the genre, then I would go down to the Sound Shop at the Gulfport mall and buy 'cutouts'.
People who are old like me remember cutouts. They were out of print record albums that had been lined up
in long stacks and had a circular saw run over the right hand corner, removing a half inch piece of the album cover.
For a buck apiece, I bought all these records, 100's of em and played them all over again for ten MORE years.
Yeah, I am done with classic rock, lol.
My beef with the so called "classic rock" stations are their extremely limited play lists. They take 100 songs from a period that produced tens of thousands, and keep playing them over and over until it becomes nauseating. I always wonder about the IQs of the people that put together the play lists. When was the last time you heard Savoy Brown on "classic rock" radio? :rolleyes:

ktblunden 12-05-2011 10:06 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashcan Bill (Post 1492744)
My beef with the so called "classic rock" stations are their extremely limited play lists. They take 100 songs from a period that produced tens of thousands, and keep playing them over and over until it becomes nauseating. I always wonder about the IQs of the people that put together the play lists. When was the last time you heard Savoy Brown on "classic rock" radio? :rolleyes:
Agreed 100%. I lump all radio stations in with this, even satellite radio. I found XM to be so fresh when I first got it, but I've come to the conclusion that those stations have their standard playlists as well and day-to-day you hear the exact same songs (often times at the same time of day as well).

Bruins Fan 12-05-2011 01:39 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blugill (Post 1492226)
I'll start off by saying I don't get it. I'm 41, listened to them on the radio when they were on the radio. Was a paperboy in high school and frequently heard the radio documentaries about their life and times every weekend but I don't get it.

I'd be perfectly happy to never listen to another Beatles tune and not regret it. I know a lot of people still listen to them, but I find their stuff tired, dated, and not really relevant today.

Now Led Zeppelin on the other hand!
You answered your own question,your only 41 and was not around in the 60's to see and be part of what was going on,it was sex,drugs,and rock and roll.
The Beatles were the tip of the spear that changed music :D

The Poet 12-05-2011 04:11 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
You obviously don't realize it, brother, but the title of your thread states more than you likely intended. You ask, "What am I missing?", and not "What's all the fuss?". On some level, you seem to grasp that this is YOUR problem (or issue, if you prefer) and not the problem of those who DON'T "miss it".

As others have stated, you almost had to be there. I could go on for days, but there's not much point to it. Simply realize that, long after both you and I are dead, people will still be listening to The Beatles.

ArgusP2 12-05-2011 09:49 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
A time, a place, and a state of mind.

I've listened and enjoyed all the groups and soloists mentioned above, except Miley Beiber, and I'm sure a few others of this generation's pre-teen sensations. I grew up mostly on Led Zepplin, Rush, Who and Rolling Stones. I've also grown to appreciate bands like Coldplay, Silversun Pickups and yes, Josh Grobin. It all depends on how each band, soloist or song spoke to you.
The Beatles, then and to some extent now, made a connection, just as the songs of today speak to us now (or don't).

A time, a place, and a state of mind.
Rocky Patel: What am I missing?

Just sayin'

Starscream 12-06-2011 09:21 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maninblack (Post 1492439)
The Stones were the best British band in my opinion. But they've overstayed their welcome.
I prefer Queen myself.

pektel 12-06-2011 09:33 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevSmoke (Post 1492256)
They were doing things nobody was doing. Don't compare them to today.
EXACTLY. Listen to the other music being performed at that period in time. They were game changers.

Moreover, music today may very well have been HUGELY different if it weren't for the beatles.

AD720 12-06-2011 09:35 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
:cali:cali

Parshooter 12-06-2011 10:02 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 14holestogie (Post 1492305)
If you listen to their earliest stuff next to their later stuff, the growth these guys showed in their 6-7 year life was unparallelled.
Thanks to drugs.

icehog3 12-06-2011 02:14 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Yes....thanks to drugs, and all the irreparable harm that quitting them 25 years ago has done to me.

68TriShield 12-06-2011 03:11 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
I prefer not to be in any camp.

markem 12-06-2011 03:32 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 68TriShield (Post 1494225)
I prefer not to be in any camp.
Then why do you belong to that nudist camp?

68TriShield 12-06-2011 03:35 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by markem (Post 1494231)
Then why do you belong to that nudist camp?
That camp doesn't count Mark :sl

mosesbotbol 12-06-2011 04:02 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parshooter (Post 1493949)
Thanks to drugs.
Lennon & McCarthy are the song writing pair of all time.

The Poet 12-06-2011 04:12 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parshooter (Post 1493949)
Thanks to drugs.
Though I am reluctant to bring this up, it remains a valid reason why you may be "missing it" with the Beatles. The use of hallucinogens such as mescaline, psilocybin, and most notably LSD not only affected the perception of the members of The Beatles (and other bands) but also effected their music as well. It also follows as the night the day that the understanding of their music by the fans was changed by the fans' own usage of these substances. This change in their music began as early as Revolver and Rubber Soul, but reached a mind-expanded peak with Sgt. Pepper. You can believe this or not, but there's no way you can truly "understand" an album like Sgt. Pepper (or Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon, or Traffic's Low Spark Of High Heel Boys, or many others) unless you've "dropped" an hour before you listen to them. Under the influence, you then can grasp what they are doing, both musically and lyrically, in a way that's just not possible when you're "straight". But once you have this revelation, this epiphany, you can never hear it the same way again, no matter what condition your condition is in. Me, I've dropped nothing stronger than an Advil for nearly 40 years, yet I still "get it."

I'm certainly not suggesting you return to the days of Owsley's blotter and windowpane LSD-25 in order to find out what you are missing, but merely point out the potential roadblock to this. And it does not mean one can't appreciate their music (or not, as the case may be) without chemical aids. One does not need to be a mathematician to enjoy the music of J.S. Bach, yet such a knowledge will give one a more complete understanding. That's all I'm saying here.

pnoon 12-06-2011 07:10 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Something fun to lighten the mood. Yet topical

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/12-ex...ut-popular-mus

MNSmoker 12-06-2011 07:42 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 1494388)
Something fun to lighten the mood. Yet topical

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/12-ex...ut-popular-mus
We're done as a society.

icehog3 12-06-2011 10:51 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 1494248)
Lennon & McCarthy are the song writing pair of all time.
Paul McCartney wasn't bad either. :)

Volusianator 12-07-2011 01:59 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
:tu:tu:tu

Quote:
Originally Posted by RevSmoke (Post 1492256)

Beatles? What's not to get about them? They were doing things nobody was doing. Don't compare them to today.

Lumpold 12-07-2011 04:33 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Y'all need to get hold of Mellow Dubmarine

Stephen 12-07-2011 08:54 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Poet (Post 1494255)
Though I am reluctant to bring this up, it remains a valid reason why you may be "missing it" with the Beatles. The use of hallucinogens such as mescaline, psilocybin, and most notably LSD not only affected the perception of the members of The Beatles (and other bands) but also effected their music as well. It also follows as the night the day that the understanding of their music by the fans was changed by the fans' own usage of these substances. This change in their music began as early as Revolver and Rubber Soul, but reached a mind-expanded peak with Sgt. Pepper. You can believe this or not, but there's no way you can truly "understand" an album like Sgt. Pepper (or Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon, or Traffic's Low Spark Of High Heel Boys, or many others) unless you've "dropped" an hour before you listen to them. Under the influence, you then can grasp what they are doing, both musically and lyrically, in a way that's just not possible when you're "straight". But once you have this revelation, this epiphany, you can never hear it the same way again, no matter what condition your condition is in. Me, I've dropped nothing stronger than an Advil for nearly 40 years, yet I still "get it."

I'm certainly not suggesting you return to the days of Owsley's blotter and windowpane LSD-25 in order to find out what you are missing, but merely point out the potential roadblock to this. And it does not mean one can't appreciate their music (or not, as the case may be) without chemical aids. One does not need to be a mathematician to enjoy the music of J.S. Bach, yet such a knowledge will give one a more complete understanding. That's all I'm saying here.
What do deadheads say when they sober up?

What the Hell is this awful music??!!!

icehog3 12-07-2011 09:08 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1494810)
What do deadheads say when they sober up?

What the Hell is this awful music??!!!
I thought that was Parrotheads. ;)

14holestogie 12-07-2011 09:21 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1494827)
I thought that was Parrotheads. ;)
We never sober up. ;)

AD720 12-07-2011 11:43 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 1494248)
Lennon & McCarthy are the song writing pair of all time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1494505)
Paul McCartney wasn't bad either. :)
hmmmmmmmm


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...95-mugshot.jpg


and


http://www.senatormccarthy.com/images/mccarthy2.jpg


:tf:tf

icehog3 12-07-2011 01:56 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 14holestogie (Post 1494839)
We never sober up. ;)
No wonder he keeps selling records. ;) :lr

gorob23 12-07-2011 02:23 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Poet (Post 1494255)
Me, I've dropped nothing stronger than an Advil for nearly 40 years, yet I still "get it."
Not true! What about that cigar we had at the Deck .... had to be some thing in that :tu

Look it is really easy either you like it or you don't. I for one have found that as I have gotten older my taste have changed so much it amazes me. AND if there is shot singer involved I LIKE IT! ;s

Come on Shakira enough said. So dose want a sing-a-long!;s

Rob;)

floydpink 12-07-2011 02:26 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1492278)
Elvis, Beatles, The Doors, Grateful Dead, The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Rush....all of them....meh
Just about listed the soundtrack of my life.

cricky101 12-07-2011 02:58 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1492278)
Elvis, Beatles, The Doors, Grateful Dead, The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Rush....all of them....meh
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobarian (Post 1492289)
Yeah, a bunch of no names, never heard of 'em. :lr:lr
:r What could they possibly have contributed to popular music ?? :rolleyes:

longknocker 12-07-2011 03:00 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 14holestogie (Post 1494839)
We never sober up. ;)
:tu Long Live Buffett!:banger:D

shilala 12-07-2011 03:03 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashcan Bill (Post 1492744)
My beef with the so called "classic rock" stations are their extremely limited play lists. They take 100 songs from a period that produced tens of thousands, and keep playing them over and over until it becomes nauseating. I always wonder about the IQs of the people that put together the play lists. When was the last time you heard Savoy Brown on "classic rock" radio? :rolleyes:
Deep Tracks on Sirius mixes things up a bit. I get to hear some stuff on there I haven't heard for years.
I've about burned out on "classic rock" stations, but commercial radio mainly. I listen to lots of odd stuff now. Lucinda Williams, Big Head Todd, Alison Krauss, White Stripes, Modest Mouse and some other new alternative bands that actually have talent and some "art" about them.
I just dig around and find old blues, bluegrass, whatever, and chase it. Lisa and I have totally different catalogs of the past and she shows me new old bands like the Cowboy Junkies, etc.
I just mix it up and keep it fresh. Then after awhile I enjoy going back and looking for some Clapton/Page/Plant/Rodgers solo efforts, or whatever I can find.

longknocker 12-07-2011 03:06 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1495240)
Deep Tracks on Sirius mixes things up a bit. I get to hear some stuff on there I haven't heard for years.
I've about burned out on "classic rock" stations, but commercial radio mainly. I listen to lots of odd stuff now. Lucinda Williams, Big Head Todd, Alison Krauss, White Stripes, Modest Mouse and some other new alternative bands that actually have talent and some "art" about them.
I just dig around and find old blues, bluegrass, whatever, and chase it. Lisa and I have totally different catalogs of the past and she shows me new old bands like the Cowboy Junkies, etc.
I just mix it up and keep it fresh. Then after awhile I enjoy going back and looking for some Clapton/Page/Plant/Rodgers solo efforts, or whatever I can find.
Clapton & Page Are The Only Ones I Recognize, Scott. Am I Old???:r

icehog3 12-07-2011 03:14 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by longknocker (Post 1495237)
:tu Long Live Buffett!:banger:D
I hope he lives to be 101!

I just want him to stop making music.

longknocker 12-07-2011 03:16 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1495257)
I hope he lives to be 101!

I just want him to stop making music.
I've Been To 2 Of His Concerts, Tom!:banger Ever Seen Him Live?

icehog3 12-07-2011 04:06 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by longknocker (Post 1495263)
I've Been To 2 Of His Concerts, Tom!:banger Ever Seen Him Live?
Twice, My Brother. 1st wife was big fan.

Smokin Gator 12-07-2011 04:10 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
I have listened to so much stuff over the years I can't list it all. Now about all I listen to (as anyone who has been here can attest) is the blues genre. I like the saying... the blues are the roots... everything else is the fruits.

Many of the afore mentioned bands can attribute their success to the blues.

pektel 12-07-2011 06:55 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
What about delta blues? Some great stuff to come out of there as well...
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Starscream 12-07-2011 07:15 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AD720 (Post 1495008)
:r

Starscream 12-07-2011 07:16 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smokin Gator (Post 1495308)
I have listened to so much stuff over the years I can't list it all. Now about all I listen to (as anyone who has been here can attest) is the blues genre. I like the saying... the blues are the roots... everything else is the fruits.

Many of the afore mentioned bands can attribute their success to the blues.
Blues and early jazz.

MajorCaptSilly 12-07-2011 07:51 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1495240)
Deep Tracks on Sirius mixes things up a bit. I get to hear some stuff on there I haven't heard for years.
I've about burned out on "classic rock" stations, but commercial radio mainly. I listen to lots of odd stuff now. Lucinda Williams, Big Head Todd, Alison Krauss, White Stripes, Modest Mouse and some other new alternative bands that actually have talent and some "art" about them.
I just dig around and find old blues, bluegrass, whatever, and chase it. Lisa and I have totally different catalogs of the past and she shows me new old bands like the Cowboy Junkies, etc.
I just mix it up and keep it fresh. Then after awhile I enjoy going back and looking for some Clapton/Page/Plant/Rodgers solo efforts, or whatever I can find.
I saw Big Head Todd in '93. I was a fan before and a super-fan after. Very good stuff. I also find good, alternative stuff usually a couple years after they break up. Cage The Elephant and The Black Ryder are on heavy rotation for me lately.

MCS

SvilleKid 12-07-2011 08:15 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smokin Gator (Post 1495308)
I have listened to so much stuff over the years I can't list it all. Now about all I listen to (as anyone who has been here can attest) is the blues genre. I like the saying... the blues are the roots... everything else is the fruits.

Many of the afore mentioned bands can attribute their success to the blues.
How about Eva Cassidy, or Amos Lee? Ever listen to their stuff?

I see more "fresh" music in the blues and jazz categories than any other these days.

floydpink 12-13-2011 12:56 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
here are some depressing stats about today's music

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/12-ex...ut-popular-mus

CigarInspector 01-09-2012 06:41 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
I concur! Folks are always going on about how we wouldn’t have rock-n-roll without them, but what about the Rolling Stones? They were formed the same year as the Beatles and got a recording contract soon after. Having said all that, the true meaning of rock-n-roll is one man Iggy!!! The Stooges did it like no other and inspired generations to do their own thing and F U to the corporate hounds. Some debate that the MC5 were the true start of punk, but they only had ¼ of the attitude that the Stooges had! Now on tour Iggy has picked up bad ass Bassist Mike Watt from the Minutemen…would love to see them, but I think the crowd might be too much for me!

icehog3 01-09-2012 09:27 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CigarInspector (Post 1525112)
what about the Rolling Stones? They were formed the same year as the Beatles and got a recording contract soon after.

the true meaning of rock-n-roll is one man Iggy!!!
Ya had me and then ya lost me. :r

replicant_argent 01-09-2012 09:35 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1495303)
Twice, My Brother. 1st wife was big fan.
What did the second and fifth wives listen to?

icehog3 01-09-2012 09:40 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by replicant_argent (Post 1525270)
What did the second and fifth wives listen to?
Me, sobbing uncontrollably, mostly.

replicant_argent 01-09-2012 10:08 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1525277)
Me, sobbing uncontrollably, mostly.
That, sir, was the biggest laugh I have had all morning.

galaga 01-09-2012 11:27 AM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1525277)
Me, sobbing uncontrollably, mostly.
Foreplay?????



















;)

icehog3 01-09-2012 02:28 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by galaga (Post 1525382)
Foreplay?????


;)
I was never much for it....one, maybe two plays at most. ;)

jakesmokes 01-09-2012 03:02 PM
Re: The Beatles: What am I missing?
 
From the article above there is a comment which, I think, explains it well:

QUOTE
The way people bought music was both costlier and less easy than it is today, with our a la carte, online music stores. The first world population was also much smaller and had we had lower expendable income. You're spinning this all wrong.


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