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icehog3 03-05-2011 08:07 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13 (Post 1194944)
So do you buy Royal Purple motor oil for you car? This is said to be the best oil out there? Your car is most likely worth more than a couple grand right?
Maybe Royal Purple has some scientific testing to back up that claim? I wouldn't know, but I am doubting the KL people have any regarding cigar humidification.

md4958 03-05-2011 08:13 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13 (Post 1194944)
So do you buy Royal Purple motor oil for you car? This is said to be the best oil out there? Your car is most likely worth more than a couple grand right?
I use Mobil1, and Shilala beads :tu

Devanmc 03-05-2011 08:13 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13 (Post 1194944)
So do you buy Royal Purple motor oil for you car? This is said to be the best oil out there? Your car is most likely worth more than a couple grand right?
no we are arguing this...

we use beads(of various brands) to maintain out cigars, some agrue to use KL(which is for cat piss and poop). which can work but is for a completely different application...

now sure royal purple is the "best" but it is still motor oil. I dont use vegetable oil in my car cuz its cheap and still a type of oil. i use my own preferred brand of motor oil(i use mobil1 synthetic) Cuz its designed for its use...

Bill86 03-05-2011 08:17 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 1194962)
I use Mobil1, and Shilala beads :tu
The beads are for your car though right? and you use the mobil for the humidor correct? :r :r :r

Josh_Lucky_13 03-05-2011 08:27 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill86 (Post 1194946)
No my car is a Nissan lease vehicle, they take care of the everything for me.

You're comparing oil to oil and something a cat sh!ts in to something made for cigar humidity.

The two have nothing in common.
No what I am trying to do is compare oil to silica beads. Now cheap gas station $0.99 oil does not stand up to $10 royal purple. Yet they both work! The difference between your beads and my KL is virtually the same except for some minor differences. http://talasonline.com/photos/instru...a_gel_info.pdf

Beads where not made for cigars. Neither was KL. Now the biggest difference between the 2 I can tell is beads are high density and regular density KL(why you should use twice as much KL than beads). They both absorb moisture and can maintain RH. It is the moisture absorbency property that led to the development of Silica into KL. Now if you did any research most cats do not react positively to silica KL in fact many cats have to be trained to use this over the clay litter out there. So you point of worried your cat will pee on your sticks is pointless.

Coolers in fact where not meant for cigar storage but many use it and it works well. Should everyone dump their coolers full of sticks and all buy a Waxing Moon Humidor since that is acceptable cigar storage? If you dont like KL that is fine, if you use a humidor over a cooler or vice versa that is fine but the way some of you talk about another method seems closed mined and a little off. If you think your sticks are so valuable that only the best will do then I am all for it and Ed make great humidors. KL works as good for RH as a cooler does for cigar storage. They both save $$ to buy more sticks.

md4958 03-05-2011 08:29 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill86 (Post 1194967)
The beads are for your car though right? and you use the mobil for the humidor correct? :r :r :r
I use both in my cabinet and ONLY the Mobil1 in my desktop.

I find the Mobil1 accelerates the accumulation of Plume and cigar beetles dont seem to like it. It also aids in combustion.

Devanmc 03-05-2011 08:31 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13 (Post 1194989)
No what I am trying to do is compare oil to silica beads. Now cheap gas station $0.99 oil does not stand up to $10 royal purple. Yet they both work! The difference between your beads and my KL is virtually the same except for some minor differences. http://talasonline.com/photos/instru...a_gel_info.pdf

Beads where not made for cigars. Neither was KL. Now the biggest difference between the 2 I can tell is beads are high density and regular density KL(why you should use twice as much KL than beads). They both absorb moisture and can maintain RH. It is the moisture absorbency property that led to the development of Silica into KL. Now if you did any research most cats do not react positively to silica KL in fact many cats have to be trained to use this over the clay litter out there. So you point of worried your cat will pee on your sticks is pointless.

Coolers in fact where not meant for cigar storage but many use it and it works well. Should everyone dump their coolers full of sticks and all buy a Waxing Moon Humidor since that is acceptable cigar storage? If you dont like KL that is fine, if you use a humidor over a cooler or vice versa that is fine but the way some of you talk about another method seems closed mined and a little off. If you think your sticks are so valuable that only the best will do then I am all for it and Ed make great humidors. KL works as good for RH as a cooler does for cigar storage. They both save $$ to buy more sticks.

Im to lazy to actually respond to what is making me feel _____...but

the beads we use were in fact made specifically for RH control. KL was not made for that. So comparing motor oil to motor oil and a cats toilet to humidification beads doesnt work... :tu

Sure they may be able to accomplish the same thing but also might olive oil in my engine. Im definitely not going to risk possible problems though. Its just not worth it when in the big picture there is a solution that is ment for the exact job i need for cheap

md4958 03-05-2011 08:32 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13 (Post 1194989)
No what I am trying to do is compare oil to silica beads.
I dont use Silica beads, mine are made of clay. Maybe the inventor (a member here) can chime in one if he invented them for cigars or had other uses in mind.

icehog3 03-05-2011 08:32 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13 (Post 1194989)
The difference between your beads and my KL is virtually the same except for some minor differences.
Opinions vary, Josh. ;)

Bill86 03-05-2011 08:32 PM
Re: RH Question
 
I'm thinking Shilala's beads were definitely made for cigars. One thing I know for sure is....they weren't made for a cat to sh!t in.

I think your missing the point, heartfelt and shilala beads are made solely for cigars. KL is made for cats to sh!t in. What would you trust with thousands of dollars? In the big picture the cost is VERY minimal.

As far as coolers vs desktops, lets not get off topic. I have both for the record.


EDIT maybe you got bad results from using the wrong humidity beads. You should try heartfelt or Shilala's beads.

icehog3 03-05-2011 08:35 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13 (Post 1194989)
They both absorb moisture and can maintain RH.
The beads can also emit humidity, not just absorb it. That is crucial during the winter months with a forced-air furnace in much of the U.S..

Josh_Lucky_13 03-05-2011 08:35 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill86 (Post 1195005)
I'm thinking Shilala's beads were definitely made for cigars. One thing I know for sure is....they weren't made for a cat to sh!t in.

I think your missing the point, heartfelt and shilala beads are made solely for cigars. KL is made for cats to sh!t in. What would you trust with thousands of dollars? In the big picture the cost is VERY minimal.

As far as coolers vs desktops, lets not get off topic. I have both for the record.
So you skimp on one but dont the other? Coolers are not made for cigar storage????? flawed logic or close mindedness?

md4958 03-05-2011 08:36 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Josh, in your introductory post you mention that youve only been into cigars for a few months now. Yet you are preaching to members here that have decades of experience (not me mind you), that your method is an appropriate substitute. Perhaps you should consider a bit more experience under your belt before making statements like that to people who know better.

We were all newbies at one time, but some of us had the humility to know we didnt know everything. Just sayin...:2

Bill86 03-05-2011 08:38 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13 (Post 1195008)
So you skimp on one but dont the other? Coolers are not made for cigar storage????? flawed logic or close mindedness?
I'm really trying to be more informative then argumentative. However I'll play your game for a bit.

This topic is about RH and controlling it though not humidors. I don't see why you keep trying to take this off topic.


Humidors have always been made of different materials. Google it. People use walk ins, wooden boxes, they were copper at one point. Vinotemps are also another choice.

I'll tell you what I don't use for a humidor, a litter box. Maybe I should though and not be close minded. I think though for me and my 3 cats they might use my humidor with it's "beads" for another purpose.

Again though my cigars at kept at 64/65 in otherwords the perfect humidity and temperature. So how exactly am I skimping?

Devanmc 03-05-2011 08:39 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 1195009)
Josh, in your introductory post you mention that youve only been into cigars for a few months now. Yet you are preaching to members here that have decades of experience (not me mind you), that your method is an appropriate substitute. Perhaps you should consider a bit more experience under your belt before making statements like that to people who know better.

We were all newbies at one time, but some of us had the humility to know we didnt know everything. Just sayin...:2
:tpd: :rolleyes:

chippewastud79 03-05-2011 08:39 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Nothing like bumping a thread, with your first post, after a few months to start talking kitty litter for humidity over proven products that many people use.


Can anyone find Shilala's tests with Heartfelt vs. HCM vs. Kitty Litter?

If I recall, his tests, which are far more in depth than anyone else has probably ever done, he found that not only do they not regulate humidity well, fluctuations are very common and they have no pre-set humidity. Also I believe that the volume needed to be remotely effective was well over 3 times as much. :hm

Josh_Lucky_13 03-05-2011 08:39 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Tom pure KL with distilled water maintains RH all by itself. I will admit to my not believing it either but I did some basic test runs before I committed to it. I didnt just start talking crap about it.

md4958 03-05-2011 08:39 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Im more of a dog person myself.

md4958 03-05-2011 08:41 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13 (Post 1195017)
Tom pure KL with distilled water maintains RH all by itself. I will admit to my not believing it either but I did some basic test runs before I committed to it. I didnt just start talking crap about it.

You know what Josh, you wanna use kitty litter, thats fine, knock yourself out. Just dont mooch.

Bill86 03-05-2011 08:41 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 1195020)
Im more of a dog person myself.
Really? Get a cat they grow on you. Started off with one and now there is 3. Much fun they are, low maintenance as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13 (Post 1195017)
Tom pure KL with distilled water maintains RH all by itself. I will admit to my not believing it either but I did some basic test runs before I committed to it. I didnt just start talking crap about it.
Yeah have your tests been with KL Vs Heartfelt beads Vs Shilala's beads. Please test that.

Explain your testing please. What did you use besides KL?

Devanmc 03-05-2011 08:44 PM
Re: RH Question
 
straight from the site for shilala beads

Quote:
Why Can’t I Just Use Kitty Litter?
In order to get the same humidity buffering benefit from kitty litter as from HCM beads, a person would need to use 9 to 14 pounds of kitty litter as compared to one pound of HCM beads. At $50 for a pound of HCM beads and $28 for 14 pounds of kitty litter, it appears at first to be a "value". The problem is, in order for the Kitty litter to work as well as one pound of HCM beads, it needs to be arranged so as to provide 910 square inches of surface area as opposed to 65 square inches of surface area for HCM beads. Are you willing to spare that kind of space in your humidor?

Even at that rate, the kitty litter is far slower reactively than are HCM beads. They can handle the buffering and provide the volume needed, but they take much longer to recover the RH of the conditioned space.
:sh

md4958 03-05-2011 08:44 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1195016)
Nothing like bumping a thread, with your first post, after a few months to start talking kitty litter for humidity over proven products that many people use.


Can anyone find Shilala's tests with Heartfelt vs. HCM vs. Kitty Litter?

If I recall, his tests, which are far more in depth than anyone else has probably ever done, he found that not only do they not regulate humidity well, fluctuations are very common and they have no pre-set humidity. Also I believe that the volume needed to be remotely effective was well over 3 times as much. :hm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill86 (Post 1195022)
Really? Get a cat they grow on you. Started off with one and now there is 3. Much fun they are, low maintenance as well.



Yeah have your tests been with KL Vs Heartfelt beads Vs Shilala's beads. Please test that.

Explain your testing please. What did you use besides KL?

Lost cause gentlemen, just let it go.

Sorry Bill "Im more of a dog person" is Italian for "I hate cats" ;s

Devanmc 03-05-2011 08:48 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 1195026)
Sorry Bill "Im more of a dog person" is Italian for "I hate cats" ;s
ill just say it, i hate cats. anti-social, uselessness

Josh_Lucky_13 03-05-2011 08:48 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 1195009)
Josh, in your introductory post you mention that youve only been into cigars for a few months now. Yet you are preaching to members here that have decades of experience (not me mind you), that your method is an appropriate substitute. Perhaps you should consider a bit more experience under your belt before making statements like that to people who know better.

We were all newbies at one time, but some of us had the humility to know we didnt know everything. Just sayin...:2
Moe I am a noob and not trying to preach. However as I read this post and how people jumped all over the use of KL which the only thing they could really say is its just something to piss on, kind of annoys me a bit. These people are not using the best of everything out there for their hobby/lifestyle but claim beads are worth the cost. silica is silica for the most part I even explained some of the differences, yet this seems to be a rallying cry for all bead fans. Now I admit to have never used beads. To me does not seem worth it when for a little extra space I get something that works pretty keep like my Tupperdor. I am also not forcing anyone to read or to post to this but now this one thread is very busy which I find a little funny. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and use what they want to use, if someone wants to use beads that is their choice and their money if they want a cheaper alternative KL is there as well as floral foam humidifiers ( are those only for florists?) If asked I will mention KL as a humidification option to anyone since I trust it and it does work.

Devanmc 03-05-2011 08:50 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13 (Post 1195032)
Moe I am a noob and not trying to preach. However as I read this post and how people jumped all over the use of KL which the only thing they could really say is its just something to piss on, kind of annoys me a bit. These people are not using the best of everything out there for their hobby/lifestyle but claim beads are worth the cost. silica is silica for the most part I even explained some of the differences, yet this seems to be a rallying cry for all bead fans. Now I admit to have never used beads. To me does not seem worth it when for a little extra space I get something that works pretty keep like my Tupperdor. I am also not forcing anyone to read or to post to this but now this one thread is very busy which I find a little funny. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and use what they want to use, if someone wants to use beads that is their choice and their money if they want a cheaper alternative KL is there as well as floral foam humidifiers ( are those only for florists?) If asked I will mention KL as a humidification option to anyone since I trust it and it does work.
you seem to have missed my post

chippewastud79 03-05-2011 08:51 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Devanmc (Post 1195025)
straight from the site for shilala beads



:sh
His original post with the testing process and full test results were much more in depth and explained why kitty litter is hardly an effective way to regulate humidity in a confined space because of volume and consistency. :hm

Devanmc 03-05-2011 08:52 PM
Re: RH Question
 
my google search didnt lead me to that, so i just used his FAQ

icehog3 03-05-2011 08:52 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Floral foam doesn't work as well either...except for attracting mold.

I would love to say "I'm done" here, but I doubt it.

Devanmc 03-05-2011 08:55 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1195040)
Floral foam doesn't work as well either...except for attracting mold.

I would love to say "I'm done" here, but I doubt it.

im constantly having to deal with killing the mold out of the foam in my hydra! Deffinitly not thee best solution for its reservoir :td

Josh_Lucky_13 03-05-2011 08:55 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Sorry Devon didn't mean to leave you out there.

Bill86 03-05-2011 08:56 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh_Lucky_13 (Post 1195032)
Moe I am a noob and not trying to preach. However as I read this post and how people jumped all over the use of KL which the only thing they could really say is its just something to piss on, kind of annoys me a bit. These people are not using the best of everything out there for their hobby/lifestyle but claim beads are worth the cost. silica is silica for the most part I even explained some of the differences, yet this seems to be a rallying cry for all bead fans. Now I admit to have never used beads. To me does not seem worth it when for a little extra space I get something that works pretty keep like my Tupperdor. I am also not forcing anyone to read or to post to this but now this one thread is very busy which I find a little funny. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and use what they want to use, if someone wants to use beads that is their choice and their money if they want a cheaper alternative KL is there as well as floral foam humidifiers ( are those only for florists?) If asked I will mention KL as a humidification option to anyone since I trust it and it does work.
Alright this is my last post here because this is getting ridiculous.

Using the best of everything would exclude beads in general. The best MIGHT be a VERY large aristocrat with active humidification. So seeing as how I don't have about 10 grand to spend on a humidor and humidification....................

You gotta compromise, we only suggest that you still get a very well known and reliable humidification that is meant for cigars. Simple as that.

NCRadioMan 03-05-2011 08:57 PM
Re: RH Question
 
This is silly. Use what humidification media you want. As long you like the results, who cares? Jesus!

:sl

icehog3 03-05-2011 08:59 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NCRadioMan (Post 1195044)
This is silly. Use what humidification media you want. As long you like the results, who cares? Jesus!

:sl
I don't approve of religious humidification, Greg. :)

Josh_Lucky_13 03-05-2011 09:01 PM
Re: RH Question
 
If wine is good enough for Jesus who are we to argue?

NCRadioMan 03-05-2011 09:03 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1195045)
I don't approve of religious humidification, Greg. :)
It makes cigars taste.........divine! :noon

md4958 03-05-2011 09:03 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1195045)
I don't approve of religious humidification, Greg. :)
But it keeps everything so moist and supple.

pektel 03-05-2011 09:08 PM
Re: RH Question
 
If someone feels kl is appropriate, I say we let them use it. We can only lead a horse to water, as it were.
Posted via Mobile Device

md4958 03-05-2011 09:09 PM
Re: RH Question
 
:bdh:bdh:bdh:bdh

:bhd

icehog3 03-05-2011 09:10 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Let the name of Moses be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument of Egypt. Let the name of Moses be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of men for all time.

So it is written. So it shall be done.

md4958 03-05-2011 09:12 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1195064)
Let the name of Moses be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument of Egypt. Let the name of Moses be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of men for all time.

So it is written. So it shall be done.
Must be nice to have Admin powers :r

icehog3 03-05-2011 09:12 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 1195065)
Must be nice to have Admin powers :r
I told you, Moe! I renounce my throne!! :r

md4958 03-05-2011 09:15 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1195070)
I told you, Moe! I renounce my throne!! :r
That does it! If youre out, Im out too!

:lv

icehog3 03-05-2011 09:19 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 1195076)
That does it! If youre out, Im out too!

:lv
Let's start a cult.

Devanmc 03-05-2011 09:24 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1195084)
Let's start a cult.
may i join? must I kill a goat? :r:r:r

icehog3 03-05-2011 09:27 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Devanmc (Post 1195092)
may i join? must I kill a goat? :r:r:r
No, this is Moe and I you are talking about.

You must marry a goat, and invite us on your honeymoon.

md4958 03-05-2011 09:30 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1195095)
No, this is Moe and I you are talking about.

You must marry a goat, and invite us on your honeymoon.
I'll bring the video camera and the baby oil!! :banger

Gary and Bao HAVE to join.

md4958 03-05-2011 09:31 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1195095)
You must marry a goat, and invite us on your honeymoon.
This isnt even the most ridiculous thing posted in this thread :r:r:r

Bill86 03-05-2011 09:34 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Wait, marry a goat I was going to do that anyways. Wow pretty easy to get in your cult. :r

md4958 03-05-2011 09:36 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill86 (Post 1195108)
Wait, marry a goat I was going to do that anyways. Wow pretty easy to get in your cult. :r
Tom became an ordained minister online, if we do it in Vegas we dont even have to wait for a marriage license.

md4958 03-05-2011 09:37 PM
Re: RH Question
 
Tyler (OP) sorry your thread went to chit brother.

;s


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