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What Ranger said.

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then id just keep the alabama one till it expires :sh

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Double check the recipricocity (sp?) for the states.

I've had my Florida one for a while and recently found out it is good in around 35 other states.

There should be plenty of info on it with a quick search, but I'm too lazy.

Personally, I love revolvers for reliablity to carry and Mossberg shotguns for home defense and reliability to neutralize any home invasion threats in a hurry.

Tried Glocks but none seemed to fit my frame for carry.

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was looking at my buddies Alabama CCP. it shows Michigan on the back as a state that acknowledges it.

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Pete is right. there are some states that issue non resident permits and some that don't. some of the one's that do, those nonresident permits aren't recognized as having reciprocity. It's confusing but here is a website that might get you started.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

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ill have to look, they also do things alittle different for AD, but ill see what that site has to say

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You also have to hone up on the law in whatever state you are in. My permit from Florida is good in lots of other states but I must follow their law and not Florida's. For instance in Florida the statutes have no requirement how I carry as long as it is concealed, Georgia (which my permit is good in) has a stipulation that you must carry in a holster, granted that can be any kind of holster, belt, pocket, etc. But I must obey their law.

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Another one is it's perfectly ok to carry in Church in Florida and not so in Georgia.:td

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I had a CCP from Florida, so that I could handgun Hunt in MI. The laws in MI are a bit funky, I would make sure you check the laws before you do things like turn in an out of state DL for a MI one.

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After shooting one today, I'd go with a HK P30 :dr

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I was looking into those, didn't like that they didn't have a safety. They do have the HK P30s but it's got dual ambidextrous safeties and such. I dunno I'm going to look at them in person and a regular HK USP Compact 40 cal Wednesday.

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I forget the state they were talking about, and think it was Mass, but last night on talk radio they were talking about trying to overturn a law that says you can point a gun at a home invader but NOT shoot.

Thank goodness Florida doesn't have dumb laws like that.

Very good advice to be sure you know the particular state's laws where you plan to carry as "I didn't know" won't work very well in court.

Oh and here is the complete list of the state you mentioned's recipricocity laws state by state:

http://www.ago.alabama.gov/issue/pistol.htm

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Devan as AD you will qualify for a resident CCW. Just keep in mind that while AD you have to worry about transport on and off base. If you live on post it is very difficult to carry.

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yeah it is not aloud here. but i can work on getting the CCL on my way out. just easier that way. it takes time to get it. so ill save for the weapon in the mean time :sh

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One of the most ridiculous things ever.

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Devan, in Michigan, any State's CWP is recognized. But as far as I know, an out-of-state permit isn't transferable for a Michigan CWP, so you'll be required to pass all of the requirements here. But I don't see that you should have any trouble in getting one here in Michigan, once you're living here.

When you get here, there are a couple of indoor ranges that rent different styles and models of pistols so you can try them out. A few of my friends have gone that route while trying to decide what to buy.

BTW, my carry gun is a Springfield Armory V-10 Ultra compact .45. I also carry a S&W 915 at times. My competition pistol is a ParaOrdance P14.45. I've seen pretty much every make and model of semi-auto, but I'm partial to John Browning's 1911 design. :D

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You should see all the crap you need to go through to even work around a weapons system on my base.

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You dont know the half of it. Needless to say one could argue that people have died because of the restriction. I wont go any deeper but it is a pile of garbage!

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Pistol gets my vote.

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Sig P-229 .357 Sig is my favorite but another strong consideration in my book would be the H&K USP 45 - Only with High Capacity Magazines if legal in your state.

I have many pistols and luv the .357 Sig Caliber. For a first pistol owner I don't recommend a Glock but rather something with all the bells and whistles including a positive safety.

You might want to consider a 1911 - 45 ACP if in your budget, not a high capacity but sure a great piece to learn to shoot pistols with and will last you forever.

Nothing wrong with the .40 caliber though I am not a fan of the 9mm unless looking for something small and high capacity.

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http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...og3/pistol.jpg

Thanks, Man.

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derringers are pretty handy.

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Just my .2 but I would look into the compact HK P2000. We use the full size at work and I really like it. Wasn't crazy with it at first but after nearly 4k rounds through it and not a single hick up I love it.

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I will never part with my Colt 1911 collection.

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/a.../IvoryLeft.jpg

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/a...voryRight3.jpg

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As much as I love 1911's they are heavy as piss to carry. Not to mention they only get 8 rounds. You can trade up with a lighter weight and gain rounds in a polymer gun. They just don't make good carry guns if you're a small(er) guy. Not easy to conceal.

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church!

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get a glock or a spring field xd series. i own both and carry both for work and could not be happier.

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I politely disagree. My 1911 Kimber has an 8 rd mag, but it is carried cocked & locked by design. So, I get 9 rds of .45ACP in a weapon that is only about 1.25 inches wide. For that reason 1911s fit very nicely in "Inside the Waistband" holsters (IWB). The shorter barrel models are even more convenient. Standard is 5 inch, Pro/Officer model is 4.25 inches, and the compact or carry models are 3.5 inches. The frames are offered in blued steel, stainless steel, aluminum alloy, and even polymer. The Kimber compact models are aluminum alloy frame with stainless slides and they weigh in at 25 ounces. The standard and pro sizes have a full size grip and therefore a full 8 rd mag. The compact are usually 1 rd lower capacity.

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Who ever said they're difficult for a small guy to conceal? They're quite easy as they are thinner than most polymer pistols.

With a good IWB holster a 1911 can disappear under a t-shirt:

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/u...int860/IWB.jpg

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That is very similar to my IWB. I carry the 5 inch full size model. I can carry with shorts and a T-shirt without people noticing.

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it is amazing what people do not notice

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True, but I'm including family when I say that. If the people who know you best don't notice, who else is going to?

My holster has a similar "FBI cant" to the one pictured. It causes my pistol lean forward slightly. It helps keep the grip from poking out the back of my shirt and makes it easier to draw from the strong side (as opposed to a cross-draw).

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I agree!! This is very similar to my IWB, and my S&W 915 and HK USP both print a lot more than any of my 1911's. :tu

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I am a firearms dealer so I say, why not have both.

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second question to add onto this. what kind of safe should be used or how should the weapon be secured at night or other times when not within arms reach. but still reasonably accessible.

something like this..http://www.gunsafes.com/GunVault-Mic...lt-MVB500.html
a trigger lock or what is recommended?

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Since I don't have little ones running around yet and most of my friends are cops or know I'm a cop with a bunch of guns I keep mine somewhat hiden out of sight around the house. Down stairs there is a mossberg 500 and up stairs I have my off duty xd 40 within arms reach. Also depending the day my rem 870 is also close by and my ar is ready to go. However when I go out of town or have people over I remove all ammo except for one hand gun and store it in another room while my weapons go in locked cases in my closet which I put a lockabke door knob. When I buy a house one of the first things I am getting is a floor safe for all the weapons that will be bolted to the floor.

Just remember don't keep the gun where people would expect you to keep it or out in plain sight. Also NEVER leave it in your car.

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If its in a safe how does it protect you. However, they do make a biometric safe that is very fast to open, but not all of them are reliable. I keep mine next to the bed in a holster that hooks on to the bed rail. I also don't have any kids in the house so I dont have to worry about that and I take it with me when I leave the house in the morning.

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I carry an XD40 subcompact. I love it and it is the most reliable gun I have. it will fire any amo without a problem.

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Should always be within arms reach. Also skip all the BS storage and locks. Guns usually have a safety, that's more than enough.

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The reason behind the safe/need for safety is there will be a little one in the house. Also, being from the north. Im having to argue owning guns with my parents, when i return from the army.

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I have a little one in the house who is curious.

Although I have discussed the danger of guns, I keep my pistol in a gunvault on my nightstand.

It has the finger locking device and I can get into it in the dark in about 2 seconds.

It's easily transported and has al ocking cable.

When I travel by car, it comes with me to the hotel and locks to my nightstand there as well and stores my watch and other valuables if I am in the pool.

It gives me peace of mind that a safety wouldn't.

Besides that, I carry a revolver.

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you could keep the magazine separate from the pistol. for example the pistol can be in your night stand in a old cigar box for example and the mag can be under your pillow area between the mattress.

also you can load a spent shell in the chamber of the gun and put it in a good holster by your bed. depending how old the little ones are they most likely cant rack it back to spit the casing and if they pull the trigger nothing will happen.

the best thing to do if i were you is show you kid/s the gun and talk to them about it. tell them if they ever see yours or a gun anywhere that they need to tell you. teach them how dangerous it is and explain the purpose of it. if you can maybe take them to a range so they can see it fire and even let them fire it. the younger you teach them to respect the fire arm the better.

remember kids will be kids if you really wanna get a safe i would just get a small combination style (the ones that have the 3 little wheels like a brief case) you can just leave it a few numbers off so you can access it "quickly"

remember nothing will be quicker that a easy to reach loaded gun but like you said you have to account for the safety of the little ones. if you want a home defense weapon then i would get a 12ga and lock up the pistol.

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I used to keep my Kimber cocked and locked on my nightstand until I had little ones. Now I have one of these:

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/c...Q0_pWIMNlyC4G9

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Secur...ducts&Ntt=safe

For $79 you can't beat it. You can keep more than one pistol or just one and a ton of extra mags, flashlight, etc. It has a 7 digit progammable number combination, and a hard-key backup. It is very quick to open. Not quite as fast as the one you posted, but it is also less than half the price.

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BE SAFE - and that is a good way to do it when little ones are the risk, you can keep it anywhere that fits your needs without worrying (and in many states it is the law) but it is still quickly accessible. If theft is your risk that has no value.

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Drez makes a good point too. A 12 gauge is actually the best home defense weapon, but they are not easy to keep loaded and locked up. Educating the little one is best, but if you're at your parents place it is not always your choice.

Nice thing about a shotgun is less wall penetration (depending on shot size) . This will help prevent unintended persons from getting shot in the next room or house. Shotguns are also very easy to "point" shoot; where specific aiming is not really required.

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Let's not get into the shotgun home defense talk. Ill be getting one but once I have my own place.
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Gotcha. One thing I would avoid is a trigger lock. The instructions say NOT to put one on a loaded weapon. Kind of defeats the point of having a gun in the house if you have to unlock the trigger lock, then load it, then defend yourself. Any small electronic safe would be better than that.

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that's the one I have, except mine is a little bigger, has a shelf, and a light.

Got it for about 100 bucks on Ebay

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What is the purpose of the pistol, home defense, every day carry, sport shooting, or some other desire. What is your budget, how often are you going to shoot?

every day carry I would go with a 1911 style pistol that you can carry condition one cocked and locked. My recomendation would be a Kimber Super Carry Ultra.

Home defense? I wouldn't get a pistol. Get an AR, get Hornady TAP ammunition, mount a weapon light to it. People may disagree but look into "over penetration" the right 5.56 ammo is less likely to over penetrate and hit somebody you don't want it to vs pistol ammunition. When somebody suggests a shotgun with bird shot look at them strange.

Sport shooting? Glock or XD(m). Both are very fun to shoot.

whatever you do get look at your budget that you have for both the weapon and ammo. cut it in half. use half to buy the weapon, the other half to buy ammo. get said weapon and ammo and shoot shoot shoot. if it is for everyday carry practice shooting from varying postions, moving forwards, sideways, backwards, one handed, two handed. if you are going to carry a weapon make sure you know how to use it, but most importantly when to use it.

ok, getting off the soap box now.

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Getcha a glock. Get it before you separate and you can get a .40 S&W glock for around 420 give or take.