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G G 08-18-2010 06:52 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkinCA (Post 958594)
Pot stir'er;):D
Love everyone except you Mark. Dookie head.:r


Nah I guess i do love you anyway.

G G 08-18-2010 06:59 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Subvet642 (Post 958607)
Hi Greg,

I'm not having an easy time trying to convey my views on this, so I'll try again:
I believe in the Second Amendment.
I believe in the Divine right to self defense.
I believe that we, as a society and as individuals, should look after our neighbors and all innocents. Bad guys can all fry.
I will risk my safety and life to protect innocent life.
I will not risk my safety or life to protect the PROPERTY of others, but I will do all I can up to that point.
As for Carlos' neighbors, all I'm saying is, they MAY OR MAY NOT be a-holes, but without KNOWING what they did, it's like judging a beauty contest in the dark.
I have been a sheepdog my whole adult life from my 4 years as a Torpedoman's Mate on a submarine playing tag with "Ivan" to my 22 years as a Security Officer. I have put myself in harm's way for others.

AND:

:l
Darren, I almost didn't post all that just cause I was afraid you would take it the wrong way. My main point is how different parts of the country was raised way different and we tend to look at things as if we were in a fishbowl, that is judged against our own life experiences. Thanks for being gracious, and I shouldn't have been scared you would take it the wrong way, cause I know we could have talked it out. I can go with you maybe on the property protection, cause even in Florida we have the right to use deadly force to stop or prevent a "Forcible Felony" and property protection according to the Florida guru of gun law (Jon Gutmacher) prolly wouldn't work too good. Carlos, I would def help. I had a police friend of mine tell me one time that if I ever saw him getting wailed on and I didn't stop to help, he would either kill me or haunt me according to the outcome. So I guess it's a personal decision but for me (and Darren) and the others it isn't a hard decision as it is prolly built into us to get involved and help our fellow man when needed.

G G 08-18-2010 07:01 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggainey (Post 958656)
Love everyone except you Mark. Dookie head.:r


Nah I guess i do love you anyway.
Plus I gave you a rep bump cause the good book says to treat others as I would like to be treated.:tu

MarkinAZ 08-18-2010 07:05 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggainey (Post 958656)
Love everyone except you Mark. Dookie head.:r


Nah I guess i do love you anyway.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ggainey (Post 958664)
Plus I gave you a rep bump cause the good book says to treat others as I would like to be treated.:tu

Just too much love on this train:D, but I don't want to make Gary jealous, you know...

Subvet642 08-18-2010 07:13 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
I guess I wasn't communicating very well. There are more people like you up here than most people would guess; we usually have to keep our views to ourselves.

G G 08-18-2010 07:27 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Subvet642 (Post 958672)
I guess I wasn't communicating very well. There are more people like you up here than most people would guess; we usually have to keep our views to ourselves.
Trust me I know, they'd run you outta town if they knew.:tu

I know that the South aint got no corner on Patriots, we can be found from sea to shining sea bro.

G G 08-18-2010 07:33 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Oh yeah, i think it's absolutely insane that when I travel to Massachusett's I have to leave my guns at home, or lock it up blah blah blah so it can't be used, or face years in prison in some of the states up there. So I have to give up my constitutional right to keep and bear arms to travel to parts of the USA. Nutty to say the least, but I digress.

G G 08-18-2010 07:48 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkinCA (Post 958669)
Just too much love on this train:D, but I don't want to make Gary jealous, you know...
Me and Gary have an open relationship.;)

Subvet642 08-18-2010 07:51 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggainey (Post 958694)
Oh yeah, i think it's absolutely insane that when I travel to Massachusett's I have to leave my guns at home, or lock it up blah blah blah so it can't be used, or face years in prison in some of the states up there. So I have to give up my constitutional right to keep and bear arms to travel to parts of the USA. Nutty to say the least, but I digress.
A recent Supreme Court decision may change all that. IIRC, in a case involving a DC ban on pistols, the Justices ruled that gun bans are un-Constitutional.

gettysburgfreak 08-18-2010 07:53 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by croatan (Post 957887)
Sad state of affairs, Carlos.

People in Texas are much friendlier (and more likely to shoot when they hear sirens). You should come here for another visit ;)

In the 5 or so months I have spent living in Texas I have gotten that sense as well.

G G 08-18-2010 07:59 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Subvet642 (Post 958716)
A recent Supreme Court decision may change all that. IIRC, in a case involving a DC ban on pistols, the Justices ruled that gun bans are un-Constitutional.
Let's keep our fingers crossed.:banger

Blueface 08-19-2010 06:32 AM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Subvet642 (Post 958607)
As for Carlos' neighbors, all I'm saying is, they MAY OR MAY NOT be a-holes, but without KNOWING what they did, it's like judging a beauty contest in the dark.
Well, being the inquisitive butt head that I am, I ran into my next door dingbat yesterday and just saw the one across the street, next door to the one that came out.

I asked both the same question. "Hey, the other day, did you hear my alarm going off in the middle of the day?".

Their responses were almost mirror images of one another. Almost as if the responses came from one mind and not two.

Here is what they said.
"Yeah, we heard it. Didn't know it was yours. Figured it was a false alarm."

I then asked, why would you figure it was a false alarm v. a real, actual alarm?
They similarly said most are false.

I then asked what if it had been my alarm going off due to my smoke detector which is part of my monitored alarm system?
What if my pet was all alone and could have been saved by the fire? What if I had a heart attack and was passed out? What if I was consumed by smoke? What if it was my wife?
Neither considered that.

So, according to my neighbors, 3 of the 7, one worried about me and was concerned enough to look outside to see what was going on. That didn't involve risking his life in any way as evidenced by the fact he is still alive, well and not harmed in any way.
Two others wrote it off as a false alarm, not having any way of knowing the difference between a false one and a real one.

Mind you, the one next door travels often. Who do you think she asks to look out for her home as they have tried to break in a couple of times already?
Yeah, the guy with the freaking false alarm that instead we will just ignore it.
Good luck to her next time she needs me to look out for her home.

neoflex 08-19-2010 06:47 AM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
That sucks. Sadly I am sure you are a good person by a fault like myself and even though your pissed you will still keep an eye out on their home while they are away. There is a reason why the saying "Good guys finish last" exists.

Blueface 08-19-2010 06:58 AM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by neoflex (Post 959070)
even though your pissed you will still keep an eye out on their home while they are away.
:r
Yeah, I know.
I think that is what has me yet more pissed.:D

Something I forgot to mention that I think is important.
This was the first time I have heard an alarm in my neighborhood in at least a year or two.
As far as my house goes, this is the first time it has gone off since the last test that was done about three years ago.

Blueface 08-19-2010 07:09 AM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andysutherland (Post 958584)
It's not just today's society. Remember the parable of the Good Samaritan? Only one person stopped to help the injured man who was almost dead. That story is 2,000 years old.
True.

68TriShield 08-19-2010 07:39 AM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
I would only trust one neighbor to have my back.
Interestingly,it's the loony tune ex-military guy.

Subvet642 08-19-2010 10:10 AM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 959058)
Well, being the inquisitive butt head that I am, I ran into my next door dingbat yesterday and just saw the one across the street, next door to the one that came out.

I asked both the same question. "Hey, the other day, did you hear my alarm going off in the middle of the day?".

Their responses were almost mirror images of one another. Almost as if the responses came from one mind and not two.

Here is what they said.
"Yeah, we heard it. Didn't know it was yours. Figured it was a false alarm."

I then asked, why would you figure it was a false alarm v. a real, actual alarm?
They similarly said most are false.

I then asked what if it had been my alarm going off due to my smoke detector which is part of my monitored alarm system?
What if my pet was all alone and could have been saved by the fire? What if I had a heart attack and was passed out? What if I was consumed by smoke? What if it was my wife?
Neither considered that.

So, according to my neighbors, 3 of the 7, one worried about me and was concerned enough to look outside to see what was going on. That didn't involve risking his life in any way as evidenced by the fact he is still alive, well and not harmed in any way.
Two others wrote it off as a false alarm, not having any way of knowing the difference between a false one and a real one.

Mind you, the one next door travels often. Who do you think she asks to look out for her home as they have tried to break in a couple of times already?
Yeah, the guy with the freaking false alarm that instead we will just ignore it.
Good luck to her next time she needs me to look out for her home.
It looks like you do, indeed, have some asswipe neighbors, and you know which ones they are, and knowing is a lot better than guessing.

darkleeroy 08-19-2010 01:15 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese

That was almost 50 years ago.

But, on the plus note, I make sure to always go out and see what's going on when I hear an alarm.

Starscream 08-19-2010 02:34 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by darkleeroy (Post 959459)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese

That was almost 50 years ago.

But, on the plus note, I make sure to always go out and see what's going on when I hear an alarm.
I'm not a fan of the death penalty but that guy needs to go down. Crazy or not, he is a menace to society. I like the fact that he was crazy, yet still earned a B.A. in Sociology. WTF?:confused:

darkleeroy 08-19-2010 03:40 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andysutherland (Post 959532)
I'm not a fan of the death penalty but that guy needs to go down. Crazy or not, he is a menace to society. I like the fact that he was crazy, yet still earned a B.A. in Sociology. WTF?:confused:
Well, it was an example to show that the bystander effect has been pretty prevalent for at least two and a half generations of American civilization. And was more to explain that even back then people weren't that good at looking out for other people.

As long as they can persevere through the curriculum, I've seen mentally challenged people get a college degree.

Starscream 08-19-2010 03:53 PM
Re: People never cease to amaze me
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by darkleeroy (Post 959602)
Well, it was an example to show that the bystander effect has been pretty prevalent for at least two and a half generations of American civilization. And was more to explain that even back then people weren't that good at looking out for other people.

As long as they can persevere through the curriculum, I've seen mentally challenged people get a college degree.
I recognized the purpose of the article; I'm just sayin...:tu

I guess crazy people can get a degree. There are a lot of teachers who earned a degree in Education who don't seem capable of tying their own shoes.


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