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What he said.

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Wait a minute! I haven't seen any comments from the ACLU about protecting the kids rights. Oh. They are Americans displaying an American flag. The American Communist Liberties Union don't care about this.

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Im not sure when it was passed.

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Nate, Clayton expressed very well what I meant by a lawsuit being pointless.

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NO. Nobodies principles are elected.

Nor are high school principals.:r

Sorry brother, I couldn't resist, :r

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:hm I don't get it. :)

Edit: I get it now. Well word-played.

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Not that I am aware of:tu

I was referring to a previous poster (should have quoted) that said something about PC run amok, and that will only be cured at the ballot box IMHO.

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The administration needs to act in a non-discriminatory manner, no matter what they do.

This is not only a free speech issue, there is also a Section 1983 action here.

The question becomes why were only the students wearing the American flag sent home? Why not the students displaying the Mexican flag? This is surely just as incendiary to those who are offended by those who insist foreign holidays be celebrated in this country.

It doesn't offend me, but it does offend some. And both groups of students should have been treated equally under Section 1983.

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Just giving you a hard time Greg. ;)

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I must have missed the memo where May 5th became a national holiday... I guess I better start paying closer attention.

:td

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Cool. I just didn't quote and should have. :banger

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Wrong..sorry. Cinco de Mayo celebrates that the Mexican army defeated the French army led by General Mavimilian at Puebla, Puebla, Mexico. Yes it is a holiday where people get drunk, but it is a "Mexican" event. I also don't think it's respectful to wear the American flag as clothing

/Thread hijack off

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I think a lawsuit will happen not because it is "right" but out of pure greed. Remember, it's TAX DOLLARS that will pay for any lawsuits...

It would be best if the school just apologized and people moved on...

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:rolleyes: Nice attitude. How about "I disagree, here's why"?

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In the United States Cinco de Mayo has taken on a significance beyond that in Mexico.[16][18][19][20] The date is perhaps best recognized in the United States as a date to celebrate the culture and experiences of Americans of Mexican ancestry, much as St. Patrick's Day, Oktoberfest, and the Chinese New Year are used to celebrate those of Irish, German, and Chinese ancestry respectively. Similar to those holidays, Cinco de Mayo is observed by many Americans regardless of ethnic origin. Celebrations tend to draw both from traditional Mexican symbols, such as the Virgen de Guadalupe, and from prominent figures of Mexican descent in the United States, including César Chávez.[21] To celebrate, many display Cinco de Mayo banners while school districts hold special events to educate pupils about its historical significance. Special events and celebrations highlight Mexican culture, especially in its music and regional dancing. Examples include baile folklórico and mariachi demonstrations held annually at the Plaza del Pueblo de Los Angeles, near Olvera Street. Commercial interests in the United States have capitalized on the celebration, advertising Mexican products and services, with an emphasis on beverages,[22] foods, and music.[23][24]

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I agree partially.

However, these kids were not wearing the American flag as clothing. One kid had it on his shirt and the other had a bandanna. I don't see an issue with that, if they had defaced or altered the flag to make it a piece of clothing that would be unacceptable, but they didn't.

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Maybe some personal knowledge on the students involved may sway the opinion on those who say the students should be able to wear the American flag? You have to consider the safety of all the students, not a few's "freedom of speech". How about getting some A's on their tests first?

I am probably on the principal's side, but my better half is a high school teacher in one of the toughest cities in New England, so I see it his decision from an administrative stand point.

Is wearing a Germany shirt distasteful or inciting at a school with a large Jewish community on Holocaust Remembrance Day? What about the Confederate Flag on MLK day? Neither are in their own context are bad, but when used in a specific setting breaks the fiber and order of the school.

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Hmmm....

I don't think the German flag carries any bad stigma with Jewish folks, the Swastika on the other hand...

Also, the Confederate flag carries a notoriously bad stigma with it because of the KKK and White Supremacist groups, so I'd say that's in bad taste.

With that said, I don't feel it is ever in bad taste to wear the American flag on your clothing in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Maybe I am just a grouchy Veteran who sees nothing wrong with wearing the flag of your country, in YOUR country any day of the year.

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What if they made a cap out of a US Flag and wore it backwards? Still no?

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This is America.. Land of the free...

Is it not?

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:r:r:r

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Agreed. Intent was most likely the reason the vice principal did what he did, but the solution may not have been the best one. For people to ignore what was happening and just jump to the American flag aspect is what it is. Some could argue using the flag to incite is, in itself, misguided. A lot of symbols could be discussed ad nauseum, imo.

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Good point!!!


Wait... You have a friend???:D

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US Flag Code

http://suvcw.org/flag.htm

section 8 (d)The flag should never be used as wearing apparel....

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Yes, the FLAG. Meaning, you cannot go out front, pull the flag down from the pole and make a pair of trousers and a boonie hat with it, it does not mean you cannot wear flags on your clothing (i.e PRINT).

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From what I understand (and please correct me) Cinco de Mayo while claimed Mexico Independence day is actually false. Mexico's Independence day is September 27th. When their Independence was declared from Spain Following a war with France.

P.S. Someone burned a Mexican Flag in Arizona (I believe) and was taken to prison. While Those who burn an American Flag here in America are hailed a heroes. Go figgure......

@ Akumushi: A holiday created by Corona and a Holiday to honor those we have lost in battle are not on the same plane. Get into laws all you want but excluding wearing a t-shirt on specific day seams to be pushing it. I know there is racial tension everywhere but shouldn't the administration not necessarily be afraid of the students?

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I think you are splitting hairs Darrell. The FLAG doesn't have to be big to be a flag. Any size or replication of the flag is a flag. I don't want to get in an argument about this. I believe any size flag is a flag. I will not wear one, do what you want, my friend

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Like this jerkoff? Cut a hole in the middle and make a poncho sounds Like what the Flag code is talking about.

http://stereogum.com/img/halloween_kidrockflag.jpg

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Guess I am in the minority, but if kids are doing something that is clearly designed to antagonize other classmates, I have no issue with the school asking you to change.

It appears to me, that is exactly what this is....

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Tony, not trying to get in the middle of this but just trying to clarify. Would you take issue with these T-shirt images being worn?

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...hog3/flag1.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...hog3/flag2.jpg

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We were discussing history and how it affects the symbolism and politics of a nation in my Political Science class today. After a story of someone wearing a Hitler costume on Halloween to a class with a Jewish professor, and wearing a KKK outfit to a class with an African American professor, our professor brought up this topic. Although it is not as blunt as the other two stories given, the point was still quite obvious. A possibly volatile situation is was dealt with before it had a chance to escalate. With the racial profiling and immigration laws of recent years and especially as of late going on today the message the boys were sending was obviously of an aggressive nature. Before one blames the principal for his actions they should try walking in his shoes first.

America is a beautiful melting pot comprised of it's diverse population. The various ethnic and cultural backgrounds which makes up America should all be respected and well treated.

Instead of spending so much energy on this topic take a poke at some of these folks.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map

P.S. Why is this thread still open? It is clearly political.

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Id say more Racial but YMMV

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Well said, Mario.

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I can see a point there. The issues of face value here are the Principal's actions and the boy's actions. The former is the head of an institution thereby being a political structure and political issue. The latter being a possible racial issue but under the pretenses of the tensions I've pointed out also being of a political nature. Plus, notice that I highlighted Political Science. If we were discussing this topic in Poli Sci class is it not likely to be political?

Thanks Tom.

Oh by the way. Please always remember ladies and gents, :l and do value your friendships and opinions.

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I was a Poli Sci major in college Mario, and not every topic discussed in class automatically qualified as "political". I would say this thread so far has not become so in the sense of what we limit on CA, but obviously the definition is somewhat subjective. If it crosses a line, I am sure one of the other ToE will take note. :)

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This is true Tom. You guys always take care of this home of ours. Thank you TOE!:banger

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They were not clearly trying to antagonize anyone.

As far as the reports, no one seems to think they were either.

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And these reports came from where?

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Your not just a grouchy Veteran Darrell:r I agree with your opinion though. No one is going to tell me not to wear my Country's colors, on any day of the year.

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This country has a rich history and the Flag is symbolic of that history. There have been times where people have disgraced it by wearing it like a common piece of clothing or disgracing it by burning it in public. Understand that many men and women died for what it represents and if anyone wears it to disparage it should be strung up. Some challenge those ideas with letters, with their protests and with them speaking their minds on a variety of subject matter associated with what they feel or where they think this country should be going. The Flag on the other hand is symbolic of those things that are sacred to those people who willingly gave up their lives to defend...freedoms we take for granted so many times.

I don't know the full scope of the real story but if these kids wore the flags to promote something negative they disgraced the real meaning of what it represents. If they wore them to support it's true meaning then I for one am proud of them and think that the person(s) who sent them home are a disgrace. Freedoms that we have can be abused and in a perfect world this should not happen. At the end of the day remember it was those freedoms you have that were purchased with the lives of those who were ready to make the ultimate sacrifice.

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Lis Wiehl, a former federal prosecutor.

Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at the University of California-Los Angeles.

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:tt No source huh? If your source was the news then I suggest you don't believe everything the news tells you. Do you honestly believe no ill will was involved here?

Edit: Okay, where is this report? What do they have to do with the incident? Is this source completely unbiased?

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Again, I am fine to be in the minority and am not asking you to come to my way of thinking.... I could not care less if you agree or what the reports stated....

Not for one minute do I think these fashionistas were just wearing their flag shirts and bandannas as part of their school clothing rotation.... With that, I think their exact motive was to antagonize....

I just don't think there is a place for that at school.....

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The kids were not actually "wearing" the Flag itself, just to clear things up. Here is an example, and I think some were thinking the opposite.
http://www.animalshirts.net/american...leshirtAF1.jpg

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There is a source in the OP. And it is unbiased.

I do beleive there was ill involved here. The party being the school.

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Also, like Tom said, Im sure we can all keep this NON-political:)

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I'm just glad I live in Arizona -(P

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According to news reports there were five of them sitting together at the same table, two wearing bandanas as well. Sounds like a statement to me and to the principal who was actually there. I was watching the news a while ago and saw one of the shirts and it was way louder than the one portrayed in your image.

As far as your sources go, I did a quick search. The lady works for FOX or something so is biased. News stations generally try to blow up stories and will often favor the majority in these instances. As far as the guy goes, it seems that his expertise is in law. First Amendment law at that. I'm sure the boys actions are protected under such laws but so are those of Neo Nazi's and the KKK. Not that I'm comparing this to them but there is a time and a place for everything. How on Earth can the report you claim that came from these two "experts" on law show that there was no antagonization involved here? If that issue is to be addressed it should be addressed by experts of a related field such as a gang unit, hate specialist, psychologist, etc. Not a couple of lawyers.

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Like I said about intent being lost in the symbolism of the flag...if they were not being antagonistic, then they really, really ignorant of their surroundings and that funny little thing called a calendar. Again, was the decision by the vice-principal the best one? It may or may not have been. That is something that all of the people at the school should have more insight on than any of us or others reporting on it so far. Many variables could be involved in this. Maybe, just maybe, their is more to this than what it seems on the surface, from afar.

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Neo Nazis= violence
kkk= violence

I don't think they would have very much protected under the First Amendment.

Also, I think that if the school actually had violence because of the kids wearing the shirts, then it would be a different story. I don't think there was any violence that day.

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I think more info surfacing will help.

Also, another thing to think about: This school in Cali, how many of them are Americans? You would think that they would be fine with the American Flag also present, no? I mean, it is America after all, and it is an American school.