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I really don't see him playing this year unless Orton implodes (which could and has happened in the past).

All of the comments about him not having NFL talent are a little off base. He has talent that needs refined.
I'm not saying that he will be the second coming of Elway or anything like that, but if you look at the last 5-7 years of Denver QBs, this will be an improvement... if the coaching staff can restore some confidence into this kid and whip him into NFL shape. That isn't a huge stretch.

He needs work, but NFL coaching and training are light years ahead of what he has had to this point.
e.g. Tony Romo

Get a kid comfortable, coach him, and work with him. Do not throw him into the fire. Very few QBs comer into the NFL and thrive if thrown into the fire.

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:tpd: Couldnt have said it better.
I guess players that cheat on their wife, beat their girlfriend, have 7 kids with 7 different women, shoot up the club, smoke weed, and drink and drive make better stories!

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I apologize, maybe I should've used the phrase "crying like a little girl." Or would that offend our Girl Scout members?
My point is that Tebow will be eaten alive with his late release and insistence on keeping it *every damn time* he runs the option.
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I would be part of the camp that thinks it would be possible to state the fact that you think Tebow will fail in the NFL without going out of your way to offend christians, girl scouts, or anyone else besides maybe Tebow himself.

Also, his new release/throwing action is much better if he can keep it.... but I still think he is not a franchise QB for the NFL

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That's because you relate religion with high character. So it would follow that you think people with No religious beliefs to be of low character? To me it shows how far Christianity has "fallen" in that believers continue to have a "we're right, you're wrong" mentality. How high in character do you think those Irish priests were? How high in character were Jim and Tammy? And these were people at the very top of the pile. And frankly the list goes ON AND ON. Sorry for offending you, but your argument is a little biased. People have been successfully making Tebow jokes for years and years. As for the actual sentiment, I think he is going to be fairly successful in the NFL. But religion, to me, is a highly sophisticated superstition. A money extraction device hiding behind the fear of a higher power.

And my goal is not to offend the religious. This is a free country, that I served to defend.
I welcome the fact that people can serve any god they wish, theoretically, in peace.
It binds communities together in a shared expectation of behavior and beliefs. But so does common sense and a general acceptance of right and wrong, acceptable and unacceptable behavior.

Mods, feel free to entirely delete this argument by me. But I was not making fun of his
religion, I was stating that I think that Tebow truly believes that his heavenly father will
intervene on his behalf.

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I haven't had this much crap thrown since I rejoiced when he cried on the
sidelines after Alabama showed him how real football teams accomplish their
goals.

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now that was funny, and your second post clarifies your argument much better. However, my post was not in reference to you being offensive so no hard feelings :tu

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And I def don't want to drag the thread down, this is not a religious thread. But I get raised hackles when the point is made in a certain way in my direction. Everyone knows I am an A-hole, we have established that long ago. But maybe now I see that raised hackles work both ways. I hate Tebow cause of the way he managed to escape countless opponents by miracles and still be part of the No.1 team. I rejoiced when his perspective was altered by the Tide.
As a NFL'er, I am part of the minority that thinks he is going to surprise alot of people.

I'm tempted to ask if you want to put a 5er where your mouth (keyboard?) is, but I don't know how we could quantify something like that (too many variables)... ;)
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Excellent, back to football. You are right it would be hard to really fairly judge the results.
As for the measuring stick, I would say 'look at the man'. He is a big boy and will be playing with
big boys. At least for NOW, he has no fear it would seem. There might be mechanical problems,
but at the height of the arguments, I saw Tebow make the toughest throws there are with NO trouble.
They were on the 5 and everyone is thinking jump pass or something. He might have even faked
that throw, and then RIFLED the ball out to a sideline button hook right across the goal line.
Thrown PERFECTLY where no one could get it but his guy. Alot of people say that in FLA, all you have to
do is put the ball as far downfield as you can and let someone fast run under it. It WAS true. But
when Tebow has a throw to make, he usually makes it. And I hate him. People say wildcat this
and wildcat that, and they are right as far as it goes. But there are teams RIGHT NOW who could have
plenty of success with him, even under center. Granted, they would need a good O line to make it work
for a 16 game season, but if Tebow is the best you have, and in Denver, he might BE, I think they can
make it happen. And to be honest, EVERYBODY showed a little wildcat last year.

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Why cant people just say "Tebow will not make a good NFL QB" (I think the same) without bringing religion into it?

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Haha, and as far as CHARACTER goes, I think that Orton could use some pointers.
WAIT, which one is in Denver NOW? ANd by that I mean, wasn't Kyle Orton the one that
used to shoot everybody the bird from the bench? Maybe not.

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I thought you made that point on page three? :) But you misunderstand me. I am saying that he COULD
be an excellent QB in the NFL and bringing religion into it. And I think it is fair to do so. FOrget what
you or anyone else thinks about my opinion of religion. TEBOW brought religion into it. I mean,
am I wrong? MANY athletes refuse to answer Tracy Wolfson's question, without first thanking God,
and then Jesus Christ, and then giving us the useless stock answer the Sports Information Director tells
them is safe to say on TV. (We had a great week of practice) I know I touched a nerve with you,
but let's be realistic, TEBOW brought religion into it. Did you catch his Superbowl commercial?
As a sports fan, I like sports during sports. Tim used his fame to make sure everybody knew who
was number one in his life. And there is nothing wrong with that. But no one at CBS Sports ever
asked him about religion.

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Great first round....a lot of interesting things happened.

1) 3 of the first 4 picks from Oklahoma...incredible. Makes you wonder what would have happened had they not had half the team injured.

2) Jimmy Clausen still on the board? That is a suprpise to me, but not a huge one.

3) Tim Tebow in the first round? I am not a Tebow basher, but I am not a fan. For the record I think he is going to be mediocre at best.

Lots of other interesting things to talk about, the rest should be fun to watch too.

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A lot will depend on his (Tebow's) receiving corps. He seems to have improved his release, but still has a ways to go. He needs guys that can help him out, get to the open spot if everyone's blanketed.
The option can be an Achilles heel for him, too. Quite often (especially inside the 10) he seemed to just take a token read, then pull it down and run. If he tries that in the NFL, he'll get killed. DCs will just throw a delayed blitz at him every time.
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I think you are definitely right in that maybe Urban Meyer didn't cringe everytime
he hit the line, but the Broncos are sure going to. Money, money, money.
Ouch, ouch, ouch. Then again, maybe they just use him up and let him take the hits.
But if I am not lynched in three years time, remember I said this. I hate Tim Tebow.
But he is going to be no slouch in this league. Not by a long shot.

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LOL i have to give you props on your relentless, unyielding homerism in the face of all FACTS to tbe contrary. A 9-7 team does NOT have the most raw talent in the league but ramble on by all means,

Bottom line, the Jets have become some wierd sort of
Hybrid of the criminal laden Bengals and the Redskins, buying up every free agent they can find we've all
Seen how its worked out for those two teams,
LoL

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oops

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@ Bill Polian..... Jerry Hughes ??? Really?

Maybe u know something about Freeney and Mathis that i dont, but only TWO DE's can be on the field at any one time,

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And we'll add JUST A DASH of the Yankees for flavor.:D:D

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Because some people are trolls. If u ignore the trolls eventually they go away. LOL

So it's cool to be a prick if you don't mention religion? :confused:
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Absolutely corrrct. Any other questions?

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Keep it civil, keep religion out of it, or this thread goes bye-bye...which doesn't seem fair to the OP, so please keep it to football peeps.

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Hehe, I reported MYSELF. :)

Saints seemed to do alright. They got their secondary help, I guess as a result of watching
everyone else take the linebackers they really wanted.
Personally, I like the Jets. Thir uniforms are pretty. And I like their history, too. I think they'll do fine.

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HAHA... your lack of football knowledge astonishes me everytime you post on the subject...


Yes the Jets were 9-7 but we also made it to the AFC championship guess that doesn't count for anything. And in case you haven't seen our recent pick ups let me list them for you. Cromartie (considered one of the best CB's in football), Poole, Tomlison (will be much better behind the Jets o-line than the Chargers o-line), Jason Taylor (still considered the best pass rusher in football), Holmes (Super Bowl MVP who caught for over 1,000 yards last season)...

Cromartie, Holmes, and Edwards will be on best behavior this year because they are up for new contracts in '11.

There is a reason why most sports writers in the country are calling the Jets the team to beat next season.

Your blind hatred for the Jets makes you look ignorant when it comes to pointing out the facts.

Fact-the Jets now have the best CB tandem in football.
Fact-the Jets had the best pass defense in football last year and with the addition of Cromartie, Wilson, and Poole will only be better this year.
Fact-Sanchez now has targets in Tomilson, Washington, Edwards, Holmes, and Cotchery. Don't think you won't see a 5 wide set more often this year.
Fact-the Jets still have one of the best o-lines in football.
Fact-despite having a 9-7 record the Jets still made it all the way to the AFC championship and if it wasn't for a lack of corners and injured players could have won that game.

So say what you want, but to deny the fact that right now there isn't another team in the NFL with as good a roster lineup as the Jets is ignorant at best. :tu

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:tu Great answer Vic.

Jeff, from the "Rules of Cigar Asylum" Sticky:

Doesn't say "posts" but, two topics generally preferred to stay away from.

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:tu Great answer Vic.

Actually, I would prefer that answer with a smiley. One way to avoid getting shot in the old westerns was not to "smile when you say that."
Otherwise, it's just provacative, IMO.

Hey, but that's just me. A troll apparently. And CERTAINLY provacative.

I don't think respisa has a blind hatred for the Jets. Blind hatred is what I have for Florida. :)

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I don't hate the Jets, hell I liked them for a season until Favre left, and you can ask around (ask icehog in particular) about my history with bets. Giving my history, I will still make a friendly wager with you of a 5er that the Jets don't win the super bowl. I may even be tempted to bet they won't make it back to the conference championship this year

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OH, the Super Bowl, haha, no way. Sorry.
But of course, the SAINTS DID go and win, so pigs HAVE flown.

God I love brisk debate.

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Ah, leave my buddy Joe and his Jets alone. He really likes seeing Mark Sanchez in those tight white pants. :D

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speaking of Sanchez, everyone earlier was calling Quinn out for having bad stats so he will never be good in Denver.... didn't Sanchez throw like 20 picks and 10 TDs?

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Not even close . . . it was 12 TDs and 20 picks, plus 10 fumbles. :r

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Good to see a couple Utes go off the board, one to my Broncos.

Miami fans are going to be pleased with Koa Misi.... You will soon have 2 former Utes starting on your defense.

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Wow. Just wow. :r

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Sanchez had very similar stats his rookie year to Peyton Manning, guess they should have assumed he was gonna be garbage too right? lol

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If you can name another team with a better roster right now please do. Name a team that has more play makers than the Jets right now...

Please tell me you are not really trying to draw any kind of comparison between peyton and Sanchez LOL. and I'm sure people did have doubts early on, until he started winning a lot.
And how about my bet offer?
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Wasting your breath, brother. :r

Oh, and Peyton had 26 tds and 28 picks his rookie season. I don't think I'd call that similar to 12tds and 20 picks LOL
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Colts go defense with their first three picks. I can't even remember the last time I saw that happen.:banger

Although with the exception of getting bigger on the offensive line, what can they add to their offense? They may not be as talented as some other teams, but I think their offense is adequate.

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I like the oline pick by the packers, then get defense in next few rounds. We need a better oline though, and hopefully will be improved now.
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I can name several, but I watched your Jet posts last season, and I am not getting drawn into a debate that I can't possibly win in your mind. ;)

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Can you blame em?? I can still hear the slight breeze caused by them shaking their heads over
the Super Bowl crushing they took. Speaking of that, the SAINTS grab an ACE. Chad Jones!
That boy is a FOOTBALL PLAYER! (and a good pitcher)

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That was a Drew Breeze, right? He's about 6 foot, and maybe 210, so maybe that's slight for a QB, though it ain't Flutie teeny. :r

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hehe, the little QB that did.
AAARRGGHH. I just realized that the Giants got Chad Jones, NOT the SIANTS,
:)
Dammit!

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My youngest brother is a sports agent...handles football only...two of his guys got drafted...#235 and #255 (the last guy)...

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Now many sports-minded people are also talking up the Jets. People who have no business caring
one way or the other, i.e. people in Memphis and New Orleans. Not to inject myself in the middle
of that whole thing, or even to resuscitate it, but moves continue to be made-considered. This is
going to be a wild season in NY. And the Giants have Chad Jones. GUARANTEED impact player in
year one if they so choose. You watch.