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Why not try some Madeira or Port wines? I love both!

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:D Yum! Make sure the Madeira is over ten years old.

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I just had two bottles of Westy 12 shipped from the country of origin. Arrived nice and safe. I belong to another board and they have a dedicated section for trading beers.

And I wonder how wine of the months clubs do it ;)

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Not exactly true. It depends on the laws of the state for both the sender and the receiver. Also, it cant's go USPS, but FedEx or UPS are fine as long as the state laws OK it. It is illegal in some states.

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Would have to disagree with this. Just because it makes them happy and fits their budget does not mean it's a good wine (or beer). There are plenty of honest wines with real character at every price point.

One does not have to drink "Bud Light" wine just because they have a limited budget.

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Clubs are LICENSED retail outlets with no B&M presence. The keyword, for those still not listening, is LICENSED, same as your corner wine shop.

This is getting tiring. With so many doubters and experts, I did recommend someone start a PIF. I meant it. Let me know how far you guys get, that is ALL I AM ASKING.

We'll discuss results at a later date. I'll just give a hint, use cheapest wine available so that you do not lose much in the process.

PS. Ask Bobarian what company he works for, then ask yourself why such a company is in business if wine is easy to ship.

PPS. Start the PIF.

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For the third time (looking back at the thread):

Joel Gott NAPA Cab

Stop playing games.

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Try 15.6% :D

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Holy Sh**!

Knowing how traditional wine was made back then, that must have been a blockbuster! Hence it's staying power today. Wines of similar alcohol today do not have the natural acid or tannin to balance it.

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It's against the rules:

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Sorry CA Cab...

my god you are a child

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FYI, we have done a PIF with cigars and hard liquor (old site).

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Did anyone actually tell the carrier truthfully what was in the box?

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Do you even read your own posts? Or rather, BOASTS?

Whatever...

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Oh yeah? Your momma is so fat.....



OK stop...either cut the crap or take it to PM because this is not benefiting ME! :D A bit of ribbing is fine here and there as long as people understand it's all in good humor.

Can we start a Newbie Must Try list of wines? What would you suggest in making such a list?

Oh and why do I need a special glass for wine or port? I noticed that drinking 10yr old taylorfladgate (sp) out of a glass cup (moses is going to kill me) did not take nearly as good as when it was consumed out of a special glass.

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Whatever you do, DON'T use Styrofoam!

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Went to visit a friend in Pitts a few months back and he asked what I wanted to drink since he does not stock anything but beer. I told him port and forgot to bring the glass ware. :mad:

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A list of "Newbie Must Try list of wines" is a nice idea. I would recommend narrowing/defining what wines can be on the list or why they are in the list. Major definers would be price range, food friendly, cigar friendly... Beyond “I liked it” should be stated as you are nominating it for some reason. Not everyone wants to spend $50 on a bottle and some have no interest in drinking $5 bottles of wine.

As for the glass, every wine has its own unique properties that a proper wine glass will exaggerate or compliment. Your description and result is correct and you astute to notice the difference! Very few restaurants have the correct port glass. Most serve them in a thimble like child's glass. If you go to such a place, ask for your port in a white wine glass. Many times they just pour you even more! Especially if it's a busy nite club kind of place.

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:banger

The only thing I noticed was that it drank sweeter and almost thicker. I went home and purchased the same bottle and drank from a thimble like child's glass and that was very different. I'll have to invest in real port glassware since I seem to be take a glass or two every few days after work.

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And you think there is no difference here in this "minor" mistake? A CA Cab sells for about a $3-12 a bottle. A Napa Cab $50 and up for a decent winemaker. There is no reason to even have a Napa and a CA cab in the same room. A CA cab has no hints of terroir, they may be decent wines but they are blended to take out the distinctness of region or terroir.

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Reidel is the most popular fine port glass in USA. Libby makes a nice small red wine glass that looks just like the Reidel at just a couple of dollars. The main difference is the Libby has a rolled edge and Reidel is cut, but they are similar profiles which is the most important factor.

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:bx
...says the Napa resident.
:su

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Does a rolled edge make a difference in any way?

btw thanks for the info.:tu

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Yes. I suggest that everyone pour the same wine into different glasses and judge for yourself.

If you ever questioned whether a good glass can make wine taste better. I'll bet you on that one all day long.

The nose will be dramatically different, as will the taste and delivery. A port glass deliver the perfect amount each sip. As does a Red Burgundy or Chablis glass does.

The whole experience and pleasure of wine is dramatically effected by stemware.

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Moses is wise. The shape and construction of the glass will add to the experience. The actual chemical qualities of the glass seems to be less important. Both Crate and Barrell and Pier 1 Imports have several lines of glasses in different price ranges.

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Don't ever invite me over or I'll accidentally take home your wine/port glassware :r

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A Newbie Must try list would be cool. It would be nice to have it categorized by area of production, and then sub categories by price

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I vote RLMEDIC, THERIDDICK, MOSESBOTBOL to commission such a list and they must work together :r

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Hey Kirk,

Another that you might like to give a try that is readily available and very reasonable is the Torres Gran Coronas Cabernet Sauvignon. It is a reasonable priced wine (you should be able to find it at around the 15 to 17 dollar mark. It is an 85% Cab and 15% Tempranillo. It is from Spain if I recall, it is a very easy drinking wine that goes super with bbq :)

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Thanks! :tu

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You'll have to get by Camber first. If you come by for a port night, I will give you a couple to take home.

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Already off to a good start... That is a solid Spanish wine with a recognizable label.

I picked up a 1991 Torres Grand Reserva for $25 in bin ends on Saturday. My girlfriend and I are anxious to open it.

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Is that's your dog's name? That's awesome!:tu


1)Torres Gran Coronas Cabernet Sauvignon

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If one doesn't mind the presence of American Oak barrels - dill nose and flavor.

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I fixed it for you. ;)

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Yes, that's her. My avatar.

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Ok lets try this again... how about a favorite French wine of mine under $20, pretty easy to find, and 90+ points by Parker if that matters to you

Saint Cosme Côte du Rhône

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:tu

Is there a specific year or does it not matter for newbies?

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It was a typo that got got carried away...lets not revisit it;s

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1)Torres Gran Coronas Cabernet Sauvignon
2)St. Francis Old Vine Zinfandel

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The current vintage (2007) is drinking great. Here is nice chart of different vintages and the ratings of each vintage..

http://www.erobertparker.com/newSear...ageChart1.aspx

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1)Torres Gran Coronas Cabernet Sauvignon
2)St. Francis Old Vine Zinfandel
3)Saint Cosme Côte du Rhône

Plus another great Zin from CA:
seghesio old vine zin

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Thanks.

Can you clarify what was it you took as "opinion"? The fact that American Oak barrels instill dill flavor on wine, sometimes heavily so? Or the fact that Spain is only second to Australia in use of American Oak in wines in that price range?

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Certainly. My comment has nothing to do with wine. You obviously are quite knowledgeable about wine. But you also are intolerant of anyone's opinions or tastes but your own. Others in this thread have said as much but you choose to ignore their feedback. Evidence that you have little regard for anyone else's opinion. Moses stated he thought the list was off to a good start. Your post was arrogant and pompous and, for all intents and purposes, said it wasn't off to a good start. Why not just allow people their opinions instead of trying to come across that your opinions are the only ones that matter?

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I'd love to 'out' someone in this thread but I won't. Much more fun this way. :r

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What was so "intolerant" in my response to a wine recommended? Stating the obvious that when recommending a wine maybe a few bits about flavor profile should also be included? If you like strong cigars and someone suggests a cigar you have never tried, should someone be allowed to let you know "it is light"? Is price and label enough for someone to judge if they will like it or not, be it wine or cigars?

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Eric, won't matter one way or another, it is clear by now...

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I realize i am an unsophisticated southerner, but now i have to go and buy a different "special" glass to drink my port out of. The plastic tumbler i have used up to now isn't cutting it. :r

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To clarify my last point, 'way up there before the baitch-slappin' fight started, I never said I liked the Mollydooker. Actually, I prefer something with a bit more bite, and I never mind high tannins . . . until it hits the alum-pucker stage, anyway. What I said, or thought I did anyway, was a higher-alcohol content does not mean the drink cannot be smooth.

As for comparing Mollydooker to Bud Light . . . well, I can see YellowTail maybe, but not Mollydooker, even if only by pricepoint. :)

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Why don't you just add to the list instead of giving negative feedback to the wines on the list. That way those of us who wish to explore more wines can make up our minds ourselves.