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ucla695 01-05-2010 09:19 AM

Re: What do you mean by affordable - by the box?
 
I’m comfortable buying in the $8-12ish range, but prefer to keep it below $8. I have to nudge myself a little more when going north of that. :)

mithrilG60 01-05-2010 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke (Post 708030)
What is the rate of taxation if cigars come to your from down south? If a person (say, myself) sends you a package, how difficult is it to get to you - are you taxed for it?

If the package contents were properly declared and tax & duty was charged, my guess would be expensive but I've never had to deal with that issue so I can't give you a particularly detailed answer to that question. I do know from comparing local B&M prices on Cuban's to those from retailers that exist in the tax exempt world of native reservations, that my provincial and federal taxes add about $10 - $12 per stick on average cigars (P D4, RyJ Short Churchill, Sancho Panza Beli's, etc) and quite significantly more on specialty, LE or rare releases. There are a couple boxes of the Cohiba Gran Reserva my local B&M right now for $2310/box as an example. Most discussions here have pegged the standard price at around $1500 USD/box for that release.


I know that, like alcohol, shipping tobacco products between provinces is illegal so I assume it would the same with international shipments. That said, I have ordered from a couple "Canadian friendly" online shops from the US in the past and never had a problem. The packages have also never been opened and inspected (to my knowledge) so I don't know if they'd send it back to sender or not. However I doubt that customs would really bother trying to assess and charge taxes on a small package with a quantity that's obviously a personal gift unless you got an agent that was having a really bad caseof the Monday's. Now if you were receiving a larger package that looked more like a commercial purchase or an obvious attempt to avoid local taxes it would probably be different.

(note that I am talking in CDN dollars for most prices, but the CAD and USD have been basically on par for the last couple years anyways)

RevSmoke 01-05-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rizzle (Post 708176)

I don't know if that is what you were looking for or not, Rev, but it works for me. I think.

Don't know if that's what I was looking for or not either.

I was just letting my mind wander after seeing a couple other discussions and wanted to start a thread to explore it a bit.

I guess it was more curiosity in "What do you do?" type of vein.

So, what works for you is a good thing.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

rizzle 01-05-2010 01:19 PM

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And also with you.

druturn 01-05-2010 04:01 PM

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By the single, it pains be to buy a cigar over $8-9. I haven't purchased a box yet but I have bought several 20 cigar samplers from JR and CI and kept the price to about $2.50-3 a stick for some premium sticks! That to me is "affordable" for the box(or large supply of mixed cigars) I suppose. I only smoke once a week so you would imagine my budget would be sky high, but yea, mark how I am the true definition of a poor college student!

maverickdrinker 01-05-2010 04:45 PM

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Never really thought of buying cigars on a single price basis. I'll have to check my spreadsheets to see what the actual per cigar prices are.

RevSmoke 01-05-2010 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala (Post 708058)
I don't really have a cigar budget, pricewise.
It kinda works like "I find a box I want, then try really hard not to buy it."
Sometimes I don't. Sometimes I buy three.

Thad had me laughing. Thanks, Scott.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

Whynot 01-05-2010 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by maverickdrinker (Post 708640)
Never really thought of buying cigars on a single price basis. I'll have to check my spreadsheets to see what the actual per cigar prices are.

You keep track?!?! I would find that depressing and I would be scared my wife would find it.:r

RevSmoke 01-06-2010 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by maverickdrinker (Post 708640)
Never really thought of buying cigars on a single price basis. I'll have to check my spreadsheets to see what the actual per cigar prices are.

It isn't so much the buying of them at that price. It is more of a way to break it down. A box of 15 for $100 breaks down to a different "per-stick-price" than 20 for $100 or even 24, 25, or 26 for $100. And of course, a 5er for $100 is much different.

It is simply a way to examine where we'd draw the line - price wise - in our cigar purchases.

As we've already seen, some say, when I find something I want, I buy it. Others save up to buy what they want. In both those cases, price per box or cigar doesn't matter.

There are some who won't spend over $X.00 a cigar.

There are others who have a normal price range, but will throw in the occasional expensive stick.

A few of us have a price range we like to keep our purchases in, and then watch the specials for cigars we'd like to get, but are normally out of our range.

It is just an excercise in comparisons and learning more about each other.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

Vigiles 01-06-2010 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RevSmoke (Post 709317)
It isn't so much the buying of them at that price. It is more of a way to break it down. A box of 15 for $100 breaks down to a different "per-stick-price" than 20 for $100 or even 24, 25, or 26 for $100. And of course, a 5er for $100 is much different.

It is simply a way to examine where we'd draw the line - price wise - in our cigar purchases.

As we've already seen, some say, when I find something I want, I buy it. Others save up to buy what they want. In both those cases, price per box or cigar doesn't matter.

There are some who won't spend over $X.00 a cigar.

There are others who have a normal price range, but will throw in the occasional expensive stick.

A few of us have a price range we like to keep our purchases in, and then watch the specials for cigars we'd like to get, but are normally out of our range.

It is just an excercise in comparisons and learning more about each other.

Peace of the Lord be with you.


Some really cool stuff in here, thanks for starting this thread Rev!

Although we can't really do this, I would be interested to see how people's cigar buying habitats correlates to their age, marital status, etc

RevSmoke 01-06-2010 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vigiles (Post 709476)
Some really cool stuff in here, thanks for starting this thread Rev!

Although we can't really do this, I would be interested to see how people's cigar buying habitats correlates to their age, marital status, etc

There's a whole new twist.

I'd like to see how those topics fits with smoking habits.

I know some people who have over-extended their credit (beyond what they should) on cigars. Of couse, I know people that do that for numerous things - not just cigars.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

E.J. 01-06-2010 08:48 AM

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Affordable by the box…. I don’t know if I am ready to spend over $300 for a box of 25. I probably would if I found something that just knocked my socks off….and would justify it by saying that it is better than buying singles at my B&M for +$5 every time I wanted one. I go in, walk out with 6-7 sticks for $100+ and KNOW that I would be better off buying a box online and that is frustrating….

That is exactly what prompted my first box purchase….. Though don’t make that sound like I am buying a bunch of $250 boxes…. I have been smoking cigars for 4ish months and have only purchased 2 boxes. 1 Alec Bradley Tempus Terra Nova($130), 1 Padilla Miami Robusto($105-Cbid). Currently eyeing another more expensive box…..but have not pulled the trigger.

The above statements are not to say that I don’t appreciate my B&M, I do….they have a great selection and they are top notch folk.

BC-Axeman 01-06-2010 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Vigiles (Post 709476)
Some really cool stuff in here, thanks for starting this thread Rev!

Although we can't really do this, I would be interested to see how people's cigar buying habitats correlates to their age, marital status, etc

So would a lot of marketing people. ;)

Vigiles 01-06-2010 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BC-Axeman (Post 709548)
So would a lot of marketing people. ;)


lol, good point.


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