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Blueface

11-02-2009 10:11 AM

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Holy Cow!!!

Did anyone realize how many old style iron fences need to come down or those owner too will be sued, along with the now dead iron workers that made them.

elderboy02

11-02-2009 10:13 AM

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Does anyone have a complete list of cigars made by Altadis? I want to make sure I don't buy their crap.

Thanks.

VirtualSmitty

11-02-2009 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 627763)

Does anyone have a complete list of cigars made by Altadis? I want to make sure I don't buy their crap.

Thanks.

http://www.altadisusa.com/cigar/handmade.asp

elderboy02

11-02-2009 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 627778)

http://www.altadisusa.com/cigar/handmade.asp

Thanks. I don't smoke any of those anyway.

VirtualSmitty

11-02-2009 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 627788)

Thanks. I don't smoke any of those anyway.

You have no idea what your missing if your not smoking Big Butt :r

elderboy02

11-02-2009 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 627790)

You have no idea what your missing if your not smoking Big Butt :r

No comment :r

Blueface

11-02-2009 11:31 AM

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Just realized, while many of us don't touch Altadis USA stuff, on paper, they are the same Altadis that has part of the Habanos.
So, every time we light one of those CC's, back to Altadis it goes. :r

VirtualSmitty

11-02-2009 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 627858)

Just realized, while many of us don't touch Altadis USA stuff, on paper, they are the same Altadis that has part of the Habanos.
So, every time we light one of those CC's, back to Altadis it goes. :r

Indeed. They also own most of JR Cigars at this point, so every time you order from them back to Altadis it goes.

kydsid

11-02-2009 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 626931)

Considering that the history of Altadis goes as far back as 1918...Tatuaje goes back all of 6 years....

For those of you who wish Altadis to fail, maybe you want to re-think your words??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 627858)

Just realized, while many of us don't touch Altadis USA stuff, on paper, they are the same Altadis that has part of the Habanos.
So, every time we light one of those CC's, back to Altadis it goes. :r

I'm pretty sure Altadis USA and Altadis SA are completely sepperate companies. That's not to say that don't back channel money back and forth illegally if they are controlled by the same people, but I'm pretty sure the IRS would want to know, and not even sure they are controlled by the same people.

mosesbotbol

11-02-2009 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 626944)

It is still going to be a legal fiasco when (if) the Embargo ends IMHO.

Habanos could launch new US only brands until everything is straightened out.

mosesbotbol

11-02-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kydsid (Post 627868)

I am sure they are two seperate companies and they would work as independent companies, seperate books, different corporate registrations...

NCRadioMan

11-02-2009 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kydsid (Post 627868)

They are the same company but different divisions.

http://www.answers.com/topic/altadis-u-s-a-inc

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Created from the 2000 consolidation of HavaTampa Inc. and Consolidated Cigar Holdings, Altadis USA is a leading cigar maker nationwide that generates more than half of its parent Altadis, S.A.'s worldwide cigar sales.

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In December 1999, Consolidated Cigar Corporation / SEITA entered into an agreement with Spanish tobacco giant Tabacalera S.A. This new tobacco company was named ALTADIS, S.A. ALTADIS stands for Alliance Tobacco Distribution. As a result of this merger, Hav-A-Tampa was brought into the fold and new facilities were added. The new enterprise became the world's largest cigar company with over 7,000 employees worldwide. In September 2000, the parent company purchased 50% of Habanos S.A., owner of most of the Cuban trademarks in the world and franchiser of the Casa del Habano shops. The final merger, resulting in today's company, was completed in early 2008 when Altadis S.A. merged with Imperial Tobacco, headquartered in the UK.

http://www.altadisusa.com/company.asp

An Altadis Rep told me several months back that when Pete heard about them suing him, he rasied a glass at a dinner and announced that Altadis is suing him so now he knows that he had arrived. :r

kydsid

11-02-2009 11:49 AM

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^ I wonder how all that works into the recent purchase of Altadis SA. Even so given the US laws and embargoes it would be illegal for money to move back and forth from Altadis SA to Altadis USA.

NCRadioMan

11-02-2009 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kydsid (Post 627891)

^ I wonder how all that works into the recent purchase of Altadis SA. Even so given the US laws and embargoes it would be illegal for money to move back and forth from Altadis SA to Altadis USA.

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows these days. The Altadis Rep also told me they had been sending equipment down to Cuba for a few years now to prepare for the opening of the country when the time comes.

macpappy

11-02-2009 12:33 PM

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I haven't look at anything made by Altadis in a while that had a fleur de lis on it so I have to ask this question. Is the fleur de lis in question formed from tobacco leaves? If so then that my be why the lawsuit has been filed.

tobii3

11-02-2009 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan (Post 627884)

..when Pete heard about them suing him, he rasied a glass at a dinner and announced that Altadis is suing him so now he knows that he had arrived. :r

So when I make a Kit car with the Ferrari Stallion on it and get sued by Ferrari, I can claim ""I have arrived"??

Do ANY of you posting the smartass comments have an inkling of the number of companies sued or shut down by Fuente due to the "Opus" or the "X"??

Maybe even the history of the Original Release Famous Nicaraguan 3000???

NCRadioMan

11-02-2009 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 628248)

So when I make a Kit car with the Ferrari Stallion on it and get sued by Ferrari, I can claim ""I have arrived"??

If you make it better and mass produce it for sale, sure. :tu

icehog3

11-02-2009 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan (Post 628254)

If you make it better and mass produce it for sale, sure. :tu

Exactly what I am guessing Pete's point was....he got noticed by Altadis.

Hope this isn't considered to be a "smartass comment". :rolleyes:

coastietech

11-02-2009 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 628248)

So when I make a Kit car with the Ferrari Stallion on it and get sued by Ferrari, I can claim ""I have arrived"??

Your really comparing the two?

Pete never made an imitation Montecristo.... His cigar label looks nothing like a Montecristo label. So what Pete did and what you are suggesting aren't comparable. If Pete did what you were talking about there would be a substantial lawsuit. He would have been purposely trying to confuse the consumer into thinking his product was something else.

I've noticed your dislike for all things Pete Johnson spill over in more than one thread. So much so that you defend things that are ridiculous just so you can not show any support for him. :rolleyes:

pmwz	11-02-2009 05:28 PM

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i think a lot of guys here are looking at it just out of pete's perspective.
We care more about cigars than the casual cigar smoker and can tell the difference between the two brands. a casual cigar smoker might remember that a Fleur De Lys was on the band and asks at his b+m for a cigar with one on his band.

coastietech

11-02-2009 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pmwz (Post 628335)

In that case according to this article "...at least 35 trademarks on record with the PTO that have this design as part of there trademark as used in connection with cigars."

BC-Axeman

11-02-2009 05:46 PM

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I'm not impressed by Tats, nor any of the Altadis. There are good and bad on both sides of this. To me this is like watching the Dodgers play the Yankees.

s15driftking

11-02-2009 05:52 PM

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tatuaje sucks, altadis sucks, the browns suck.... this thread sucks

tobii3

11-02-2009 05:58 PM

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Millions of ideas and emblems to use out there.....and he comes up with a Fleur de Lis, an image that has been part of the Montecristo emblem for over 70 years.

That's not a coincidence.

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Originally Posted by s15driftking (Post 628372)

tatuaje sucks, altadis sucks, the browns suck.... this thread sucks

Now I gotta clean Guinness off my keyboard!!!!

:D

tobii3

11-02-2009 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by coastietech (Post 628291)

I've noticed your dislike for all things Pete Johnson spill over in more than one thread. So much so that you defend things that are ridiculous just so you can not show any support for him. :rolleyes:

Umm....Coastie???

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Wow. 4 of those posts are on THIS thread. Never knew a comment I made about the P series not being economy priced was a dislike of Pete Johnson. Come to think of it, the posts on the Tat Drac: Shipping Date thread were defending a retailer accused of gouging.

I was going to put this in PM, but the more I think about it, the more it should be kept out in public.

icehog3

11-02-2009 06:17 PM

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If this goes off in a personal direction any further, it will be CLOSED.

s15driftking

11-02-2009 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 628380)

Millions of ideas and emblems to use out there.....and he comes up with a Fleur de Lis, an image that has been part of the Montecristo emblem for over 70 years.

That's not a coincidence.

Now I gotta clean Guinness off my keyboard!!!!

:D

:r:r:r

IS that a record??? lol!!

sodomanaz

11-02-2009 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by s15driftking (Post 628372)

tatuaje sucks, altadis sucks, the browns suck.... this thread sucks

:banger Exactly!

People getting rather uppity over a lawsuit that doesn't concern them. Both sides are suing each other and you guys are taking up arms as if this was a war. It isn't a huge deal, and it really shouldn't concern any of you to the point where you feel you should be defending a company.

It will go to court where it will be decided, so quit the bellyaching and go smoke a cigar.

kenstogie

11-02-2009 07:59 PM

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I just looked up what cigars Altadis makes, It's no wonder I didn't know or care.

poriggity

11-02-2009 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tobii3 (Post 626931)

Considering that the history of Altadis goes as far back as 1918...Tatuaje goes back all of 6 years....

For those of you who wish Altadis to fail, maybe you want to re-think your words??

Nope, I still want them to fail. Then again, I've only smoked about 3 CC's my entire smoking career..
Scott

Smokin Gator

11-02-2009 08:33 PM

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LOL... I too didn't really what they made. I went and looked and they have several CC names. I know the arguments for them being able to use them... I just think it is funny they would bust someone else's chops about using something so widespread.

Lobo	11-02-2009 08:37 PM

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Jeeeezzzz, why cant they all just get along?..... why cant people play nice?... another soap opera begins in the courts, over a symbol that belongs to the French anyhow... lol

s15driftking

11-03-2009 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lobo (Post 628674)

another soap opera begins in the courts, over a symbol that belongs to the French anyhow... lol

SUE FRANCE!!!!!

for having such a aesthetically pleasing design!!!

Skywalker

11-03-2009 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by s15driftking (Post 629167)

SUE FRANCE!!!!!

for having such a aesthetically pleasing design!!!

hoax	11-03-2009 11:50 AM

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I have to agree with Altadis on this one. They have to protect their trademark or they lose it.

Darrell

11-03-2009 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by s15driftking (Post 628372)

tatuaje sucks, altadis sucks, the browns suck.... this thread sucks

and Gurkhas are AWESOME cigars, right Bob? :td

s15driftking

11-03-2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by darrell (Post 629642)

and gurkhas are awesome cigars, right bob? :td

damn right!

Emjaysmash

11-03-2009 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by s15driftking (Post 629856)

damn right!

Well, atleast I know who I can bomb my Gurkhas to...

Rabidsquirrel

11-03-2009 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Emjaysmash (Post 629860)

Well, atleast I know who I can bomb my Gurkhas to...

Aren't dirty bombs a violation of the Geneva Convention? :D

s15driftking

11-03-2009 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Emjaysmash (Post 629860)

Well, atleast I know who I can bomb my Gurkhas to...

:ss

you looking for any trades? pm me with a gurkha-inventory!

Darrell

11-03-2009 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by s15driftking (Post 629921)

:ss

you looking for any trades? pm me with a gurkha-inventory!

Gurkhas suck.

sikk50

11-03-2009 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hoax (Post 629604)

I have to agree with Altadis on this one. They have to protect their trademark or they lose it.

Even though they just trademarked it this year the day before the show he was showing off his new products at, then told him at his booth at the show the very next day to stop using the symbol? :tg

I'm normaly all for protecting trademarks and I'm by now means a Tat fan boy (Perdomo fan boy maybe though), but this whole thing has reaked from the beginning.

covetry

11-03-2009 05:08 PM

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Altadis will never win a suit against Tatuaje or anyone else for trademark infringement simply because you can't claim trademark infringement if the mark in question is a historical or cultural symbol, which the Fleur De Lys clearly is. In cases like this the court will only rule in favor if the symbol can be proven to have been CREATED by Altadis, which is clearly was not. Unless they were around 1000 years ago.

More than likely they are doing this because they are bigger, probably retain a nice law firm, and wanted to make life a little difficult for their biggest competition.

Thrak

11-03-2009 05:23 PM

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I wonder if they're going to sue the N.O. Saints too lol!

tobii3

11-03-2009 05:31 PM

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anyone else research the lawsuit??

The Main Reason isn't about Tatuaje.

It's about Tabacalera de Garcia.

Which one you might ask??

That's why there is a lawsuit.

Aldebaran

11-03-2009 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by covetry (Post 630050)

NFL holds the Fleur de Lys as a trademark in respect to football and NFL related merchandising. So that argument is clearly false. But if you want to look up where in the USC or in international intellectual property laws say that is the case then please prove me wrong.

Trademarks are an important part of society and in business. The maintain image and prevent or limit unfair business and imitators.

D_A	11-20-2009 05:52 PM

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Looks like they agreed on a settlement

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar...4,2977,00.html

Resipsa

11-20-2009 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by markem (Post 626843)

btw, IANAL.

you're anal???......

:r:r:r sorry, but it was such a softball.....

markem

11-20-2009 06:01 PM

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No surprise there. In general, the people who feel the most vindicated or got the upper hand are the ones who make the announcements.

Whipper Snapper

11-22-2009 04:20 PM

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http://www.jonco48.com/blog/Itch_20Jeuk.jpg
my butt itches...

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