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That's what ended piracy the first time around.

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Spike TV just announced they have a deal with the US Navy and will start filming in 2 weeks for a reality show. They hope to have it on tv by September.

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"Dead men tell no tales" Take out every pirate on board simultaneously.

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Just don't kill the dread pirate roberts.

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That is my second favorite movie of all time.

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I for one was elated to read the news reports. It's always just kinda pissed me off that a handful of "pirates" in little speed boats could actually take over a big ass ship like they do. So yeah - kudos to the Navy Seals on not wasting any bullets - 3 bad guys, 3 Navy Seals, 3 bullets! Practice pays off.

But why stop here. We have satellites, AWACS and all that other secret spy stuff at our disposal - so why not use it for more practice.

1 pirate mother ship.
1 US Navy attack submarine
1 torpedo.
Practice.

1 pirate strong hold.
1 Arleigh Burke class destroyer.
1 Tomahawk Block IV cruise missile.
Practice

1 pirate speed boat.
1 Navy/Marine AH-1 SuperCobra
1 AGM-114 Hellfire
Practice

The list could go on.

And before I forget - kudos to France also for jumping in and kicking some butt themselves.


Ron

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Right on!!:tu

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I just recently gave a report on piracy for my international logistics class and the article that I used highlighted the problems in acting offensively against the pirates.

1. The Gulf of Aden is close to to the distance from Maine to Miami and also several miles wide. No one navy has enough capacity to effectively patrol this area. Yes, there would be enough naval force if countries act in concert, but aerial capability is also needed, not something every navy has. This has been in the works for several years, Pres. Bush started working on this bill and how to incorporate other nations before he left office. Pres. Obama is now currently working on finishing this doctrine.

2. Who is ultimately responsible for prosecuting the pirates? Is the nation that the ship is register in? Is the country of the navy that apprehended the pirates? Is it the country whose waters the pirates were in when they apprehended? So far, no one country on the African coast wishes to partake in the insanity, so often times the pirates are just dropped off on the beach after being detained for awhile. Yes, Kenya did prosecute some pirates and sentence them to 7 year sentences, but Kenya itself does not have the legal or institutional capacity to incarcerate all of the pirates.

3. Why can't the U.S. take over? Transporting pirates to the USA, trying them, and then holding them would put a strain on our national funds for a world problem. Also without capable local governments, practical enforcement is near impossible. In the Straits of Malacca near Malayasia and Indonesia, the pirates were deterred and finally moved on one the local governments stepped enforcements.

4. How does a speedboat stop a cargo ship? Most often the pirates ask for ransoms that are less than the insurance premiums for a one-way passage through the Gulf of Aden. Premiums have risen from $500 to ~$20,000 in very recent years and months. Secondly, many times the pirates are crewed on the ships, so knowingly or unknowing the shipping company has already set themselves up, which is also the reason that weapons are not kept aboard.

Well, that's enough for one post.

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Pirates I am sure will fall into the category of the World Justice System that I have been hearing about.

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Good food for debate! I could easily shoot holes in all these points. No time right now. The last point is the root of the problem. The third point, I seem to remember something about being "tried at sea". ...

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hail to the seals..:tu....I dont see what the problem is the solution is easy,first of all these cargo ships are carrying millions of dollars in cargo,what would be the cost of say 4 or 5 ex military specialists,to take the journey? heavily armed the pirates approach the ship the rpg leans over the side "poof" what pirates someone say pirates...its easy...

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on your point one: Europe is sending more ships, the Dutch navy alone will send 6 ships and the Dutch will lead the European operation for the first 6 months (leadership will rotate between all active parties).

On your point two, well, it is international crime so I think the UN should prosecute.

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I thought you might get a chuckle from this, Ferd...
http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/imaoun500.gif

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It's not an international crime.
Each case would be a crime by the pirates against the citizens on the ship, committed on the sovereign soil of the ship's registered country. So in the case of the kidnapped captain, it was as if the pirates came ashore and kidnapped him in Massachusetts and held him there.
Just like an illegal alien robbing a liquor store.
Now if the take the persons they kidnapped ashore it gets complicated.
IANAL, this is just how I have seen it explained.

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Open sea is no-man's land, outside the 12 mile zone it is an international crime.

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Who would know if you just sunk the whole pirate ship?

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I like how you think Al

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:tpd: :wo

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What pirate ship? There are no pirates....

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Exactly.

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:tpd:

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Kaboom enough said

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Al for President?

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Denel NTW-20

http://userpages.xfoneusa.net/%7Esuit/big_one/ntw20.jpg

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I was led to believe the ship itself is sovereign territory.
Then since there is no international police force to deal with it, anyone can do anything, anytime?
My house is not federal territory, kidnapping is a federal crime. I can defend myself and my house without help from any federal authority, since self defense is a God-given right. I would think anyone has the right to self defense anywhere, especially on a ship in international waters where nobody else can decide what to do.
I wonder if there is any money to be made in independent pirate hunting.

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The ships are not armed because there are regulations in just about every country prohibiting the vessels from carrying firearms.

The problem with someone outfitting a ship as a "privateer" (that used to be the term used for vessels sailing under say, the Spanish flag, and hunting down vessels of another country) is that you would become a bigger target than the pirates.

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As soon as I move to Canada. ;) :r

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:tpd: You know there are some old grunts our their with the itch to kill!

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:tu Practice in real time.

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It seems the old ways may have an interest in the present. What was that old adage about studying history?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...politico/21245

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Moment of breech opening. Great picture. Great quote.

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There must have been, what........16 pirates by my count. ;)

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Hey Lance, where do I sign up?

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S. O. F. ?

I would think there could be a way to lead convoys under armed guard.
I like the idea of having sucker ships and disappearing pirates. Dead men tell no tales.

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Welcome to Canada, Admiral:tu

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Humm.....ships are made of steel.....pirate boats, probably fiberglass......eat steel ya slimey little **** runem over!!

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Gun was an MK-11 from what I've read

google it

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This picture I posted of Henry Gibson as the Nazi from Blues Brothers was removed by photobucket... oops!

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Why? Nazis or copyright issues? Very interesting...:hm

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Just read this:


:tu:tu


Too bad that just didn't use it for target practice - :ss


Ron

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My neighbor is a merchant marine (just left for sea yesterday) and we've talked on this issue before. Making a wake is about the best the large ships can do. They are not nimble enough to start ramming pirate boats. They could easily sink them if they could.

Most of the pirates go for low sidewall boats and get on at night. The issue of preventing pirate attacks is more complex and has a risk vs. cost element to it that the shipping companies appear to be OK with.

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Well, I look at it this way....MORE TARGET PRACTICE FOR THE U.S. NAVY SEALS AND THE SPECIAL FORCES GUYS'. HELL YEAH! Nothing like an early morning cigar and a sniper shot to the face. They will learn when their buddies start dying off one by one!

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Well, I look at it this way.....MORE TARGET PRACTICE FOR THE U.S. NAVY SEALS AND THE SPECIAL FORCES GUYS'. Nothing like a morning smoke and a sniper shot to the face! They will learn when their buddies are dying off one by one.

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This will be very bloody before it's all over.


Chris.....

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Simple fix is repeal the disarmament laws many international ships are bound by. Armed people are less often considered as potential victims than their unarmed counterparts.

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There are many ways to prevent boarding...we practice it all the time....for these ships, firehoses are the best bet.........if they get a boarding ladder up either cut it off, or a sledge hammer on top of the head as they come up works. :2