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BigAl_SC 02-26-2009 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 257466)
I am out of this one ....

While I have definite opinions on where this bill is leading, I agree that as this has the potential to go from gun control to political, I am also out of this one as of now.

taltos 02-26-2009 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by white_s2k (Post 258136)
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." – Robert A. Heinlein

Lazarus Long? Have to read him again.

BC-Axeman 02-26-2009 01:44 PM

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"Time Enough for Love"
A most excellent book.

BC-Axeman 02-27-2009 10:34 AM

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I heard that the reason they want to ban "assault rifles" is to keep "sophisticated weapons" from USA going to MEXICAN drug criminals. This is so absurd on so many levels that only a government propagandist could come up with it.
Since when is a cheap Chinese AK47 a "sophisticated weapon" anyway?

357 02-27-2009 06:46 PM

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For those who see no risk in registration, see England, Canada, and Austraila as examples. Registration is usually followed by confiscation. Once they have a list, it's much easier.

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson


The Constitution preserves "the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- The Federalist, No. 46

- James Madison

Nick 02-27-2009 06:57 PM

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The problem with this bill is that it does not target criminals or outlaws. Most gun legislation does not attack the black market or illegal trafficking of guns which it should. It targets honest everyday citizens and their wallets. I could pull up some stats from Australia and how their crime rate has gone through the roof since they banned guns but I'll let some one else do that.

M1903A1 02-27-2009 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BC-Axeman (Post 260583)
I heard that the reason they want to ban "assault rifles" is to keep "sophisticated weapons" from USA going to MEXICAN drug criminals. This is so absurd on so many levels that only a government propagandist could come up with it.
Since when is a cheap Chinese AK47 a "sophisticated weapon" anyway?

Ironically, as I understand it, a selective-fire AK is actually CHEAPER on the world market ($150-200?) than any semiauto AK you could find in the States. And there's literally tens of millions of them out there.

357 02-27-2009 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by M1903A1 (Post 261536)
Ironically, as I understand it, a selective-fire AK is actually CHEAPER on the world market ($150-200?) than any semiauto AK you could find in the States. And there's literally tens of millions of them out there.

I've read you can buy full-auto AKs in Iraq for $50, and it's 100% legal.

BC-Axeman 02-27-2009 08:57 PM

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All of the vids and pictures of Mexican drug criminals showed them with some kind of AK variant. They are very cheap and available anywhere but here.

TheRiddick 02-27-2009 09:09 PM

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I never wanted to buy a gun before, but all this non-sense lately is making me rethink this. I'll probably buy one soon.

M1903A1 02-27-2009 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 357 (Post 261550)
I've read you can buy full-auto AKs in Iraq for $50, and it's 100% legal.

I remember reading you could buy some of that stuff legally even in the Hussein era. (That's IF you had the money of course, and when the authorities have PKMs and RPGs, an AK is slim pickings in comparison!)


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