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I have a friend who has a glass eye.

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geez:tf

Yes, everyone can get KO'd, everyone has a button, AA's is just easier to push.

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I would LOVE to see Fedor in the UFC. The only fight I really see being exciting for him in Strikeforce is Overeem. Almost all others I believe wouldn't be a challenge.

Having said that I also only see 2 exciting fights for him in the UFC as well. Lesnar and Couture. I don't think Mir, Dos Santos, Velasquez or Carwin are on the same level. So really I think he needs to fight the champion in the UFC as I don't consider the rest to be "the best".

And Fedor's fight with Fujita was 6 years ago.

One thing I have to say for Fedor is even when it seems he's on the brink, he always comes back and dominates. Case in point, his match with Fujita where he got rocked and came back to submit him. And his match with Randleman where he got suplexed onto his neck and came back to submit him via Kimura. And his match w/ Arlovski where it appeared he was going to be outclassed and came back and K'd him TFO. Point being, even when it looks like Fedor might be in trouble.... he always comes back to dominate.

:tu

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The question was proposed to Silva not too long ago and he said Fedor would destroy him. :r I do think that would be a good match though. I miss the Grand Prix's of Pride. :(



He dominated NOG for three rounds for a uni decision. I watched that fight recently and NOG had nothing for him but did go the distance.

The key word you mentioned about Fujita is "almost". :D

And yes, Lesnar was on the juice when he was in the WWE. This was a false arrest but you could tell.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/lesnarmug1.html

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Agreed, but no matter how bad Nog is beaten up he is always a threat, did you see when Sapp dropped Nog on his head? That was crazy. However, nothing beats when Randlman suplex Fedor - that was nuts as well

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That was unreal!
http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/...leman-slam.gif

A little over a minute later, Fedor subbed him. :r

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Agreed, Big Nog is always a threat. But as I said a couple posts up, Fedor's patience and ability to finish no matter the condition he's in is what makes him dominant.

In his fight against Randleman I counted him out as soon as his feet left the ground. But he shocked me (and almost everyone else) and came back quickly to finish the fight. His ability to remain calm even in the most dire of situations is unbelievable.

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lol

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"Who would win in a fight? Fedor or God??????

Ahhh... trick question. Fedor IS God"

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Fedor is sick.

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I once had a girlfriend with a hairlip....

A dude with a wooden eye asked her to dance at our senior prom.

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Lesnar is a freak. With the exception of his short stint in WWE, I am not sure when else he would have had time to be 'juicing'. And even right after WWE he went to the NFL camp, he would have to have gotten off of it quite a long time in advance before he went into camp to avoid a positive test. If you look at him in college, he was a freak then. I suppose he could certainly could be using now, but I doubt it. :2

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The athletic commissions are strict he'd be suspended and hated more than he is for his antics. So I doubt he's juice'n as well. I don't like him and would love to see Lesnar lose but he'd would end Fedors reign for sure.

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I have been only reading here for a while, but this comment brought me out of my slumber at the keyboard.

I have to argue that you are blinded by the media. Mir and lesnar has not fought an opponent any better than Fedor has fought. In fact Mir lost to Ian Freeman, yea I don't know who he is either.

If you watch the fights and keep a non-media infused mind, You will see that the heavyweight division is week around the world. ****, the UF show had to recruit pro-football players with almost no fighting experience to fill the show. The fights have been week and a bunch football players with minimal talent. However, baby boy has some skills. he really earned some credit in his last fight in my eyes. That arm bar was Fedor like.

To wrap up, If you watch the other fighting contests Fedor competes in Sombo and another I forget the name of--but it is when you only submit guys with no strikes to the head allowed--you can still see that he rules those worlds as well as the mma world. Fedor is no Joke, and to quote NCradioman, still the emperor.

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They filled the show with x-football players because they did it in a short time frame for ratings to get Kimbo on TV. This season was supposed to be all the guys that are gonna be on season 11. How can you be #1 if you havn;t fought a true #2 in years.
A. Silva walks around between 220 and 230 BTW. Lesnar would out muscle him and hold him down and smash him. While Mir poses a significant threats on the ground and has much improved striking and won't have a size disadvantage as he did with Lesnar.

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100% disagree here bro.

While you cannot question Lesnar's speed and size he has HUGE holes in his game. Hell Randy Couture was getting the better end of the exchange when it came to standup against him for a little bit. If Randy could penetrate his standup game, Fedor would absolute tear him apart.

Size and speed yeah, he's an animal. Against the Last Emperor...he'd get ZULU'd :banger

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These are f'n hilarious! :r

Machida getting the best of Rashad
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Anderson beating on Forrest again
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Thought the fights were pretty good. Some how 2 seconds can mean everything and it was the difference in Miller getting a W or L. Shields had a dominate ground control but Miller was never in danger. | Rogers gained some respect from during the fight and lost 10 fold after. I was surprised to see him active on the ground and able to stand up and I was disgusted at his post fight arrogance & stupidity.

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Maybe some day we can see the fight.

As far as better end of exchanges Rodgers was doing well and lost.

You really think he'd stand with Fedor.

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I think he'd be forced to try as Fedor's ground game is far superior. His submissions would devastate Lesnar. And since I think Lesnar is a fairly intelligent fighter he would sense that and either be forced to stand or try the lay and pray method.

I think my overall point is that while Lesnar is good and has earned my respect, he's not on the same level.

:2

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I would have to disagree with you here. I've watched this fight about a dozen times and Fedor gave him rubber legs several times and of course, the big KO. Rodgers never phased Fedor and only landed about 7 clean shots and half of those were on the ground. That first jab Rogers landed looked more than it was because it opened a previous cut Fedor sustained while sparring with his brother during training a month ago.

I think Lesnar would try to take him to the ground. That is where he feels most comfortable being a wresting champion. Every fighter that Lesnar has fought has had a superior ground game and he took them down and smothered them. Granted, I think Fedor would be just fine if that happened but I don't see Lesnar trying to stand with him. I do agree with Dustin, Fedor is just on a different level.....than everyone.

:2

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Don't forget your talking about a gut with virtually no experience doing "well" against the "Last Emperor".

All I'm saying is put him in there against a top 5 HW that's all.

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If you call being being knocked and thrown around, getting 3 sub attempts and two takedowns on him and being KO'd "well", ok. Rogers did have good control against the fence but that's it.

Fedor dominated him and has nothing to prove to anyone. At the time they fought both Arlovski and Big Timmy were top 5.

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Fedor would have beat my ass too.
Brett was changing tires less than a year ago he did well all things considered.

Hopefully we see him get in there with a top 5 guy before he retires.

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Top 5? Oh, no! Brett Rogers looked great compared to....Brett Rogers from a few months ago. What makes him dangerous is his puching power, thats all he has. It humurous that Fedor was able to out wrestle him and throw him around.

He showed vast improvement. I definately think if he stays training full time he will be top 10 soon. They called out Overeem, I think they may be bitting off a little more than he can chew, again. But Alistair has disapointed in the past, so...

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Here's a questions for you...

Fedor is 33. How much longer do you think he will keep fighting?

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Top 15 as of October:

1 Fedor Emelianenko
2 Brock Lesnar
3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4 Frank Mir
5 Josh Barnett
6 Shane Carwin
7 Junior dos Santos
8 Brett Rogers
9 Randy Couture
10 Andrei Arlovski
11 Alistair Overeem
11 Cain Velasquez
13 Fabricio Werdum
14 Jeff Monson
15 Gabriel Gonzaga

Mir is a joke being that high, imo. Fedor dominated NOG and was supposed to fight Barnett until Barnett got caught juicing. He is going to face Werdum next. If he wins, he will fight Overeem for the title. That will be the 3 fights on his current contract. After that, who knows. Maybe Dana will get his head out of his arse and promote the biggest fight in MMA history. I kinda doubt it.

If Rogers thinks he is going to get Overeem next, he is dreaming. You don't lose and get a shot at the Champ. :r

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That's a great question. He has said he will fight till he no longer enjoys the competition. Who knows? Whenever that is, I hope he doesn't end up like CroCop.

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HA! I know. Did you listen to that post fight blah, blah, blah he puked? " If he (Fedor) wants a rematch, I'll give it to him."

WHAT? Brett - Homie- you lost. Not Fedor.

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Randy's 46 so who knows.

Nice avatar BTW I just saw part 2.

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Cool. I can't wait to see it. I'm almost afraid to ask but...how did it compare to the first one?

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I think randy can handle fedor he has alot of experience, he even controlled brock who is much bigger then him, iam pretty sure he can control fedor aswell.

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If Fedor fought Randy it would be a massacre and detrimental to Randy 's health. I don't want to see it.

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:tpd: Big time. The beating Nog put on him was bad enough and I think Fedor would do more damage. Unless he finished him off quickly.

Looking forward to see Randy put the beating on Vera though.:tu

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Randy's got the skill but is too small (220) too hang with HW's, not enough punching power on the big guys. We'll see how he does back at LHW.

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You should read this article. While Dana may be boneheaded on some things, giving up 50% stake in a company is not an option.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

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Yep, we talked about this a dozen or so pages ago. :D It's not 50% of the company but 50% of the revenue from the ppv's. Don't believe anything Kevin Iole writes. He prints tons of false rumors and false "news" and nobody in the online mma community gives him the time of day.

Fedor vs Rogers peaks at 5.46 mil views!

The main event of CBS SATURDAY NIGHT FIGHTS featuring Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brett Rogers reached 5.46 million viewers while drawing impressive young adult and male demographic ratings, according to Nielsen live plus same day ratings from 11:00-11:15 PM on Saturday, Nov. 7.

The demographic ratings include a 3.5/10 in men 25-54, 3.3/11 in men 18-49 and 3.1/12 in men 18-34, 2.5/7 rating in adults 25-54, 2.4/8 in adults 18-49 and 2.4/09 in adults 18-34.

For the entire broadcast, CBS SATURDAY NIGHT FIGHTS (S) (9:00-11:24PM) averaged 4.04m viewers, winning its time period among adults 18-34 and men 18-34, and delivering ratings significantly higher than the Network’s season to date averages in the time period among young adult and male demos.

The ratings include a 1.8/06 in adults 18-49, 1.8/07 in adults 18-34, 2.6/07 in men 25-54, 2.5/08 in men 18-49 and 2.3/09 in men 18-34.

Compared to CBS’s 9:00-11:00PM season-to-date averages, CBS SATURDAY NIGHT FIGHTS was up +38% in adults 18-49 (from 1.3/04), +125% in adults 18-34 (from 0.8/03), +117% in men 25-54 (from 1.2/03), +178% in men 18-49 (from 0.9/03) and +283% in men 18-34 (from 0.6/02).

CBS’s SATURDAY NIGHT FIGHTS outrated ABC’s regionalized primetime college football in men 18-34 (2.3/09 vs. 1.9/07) and adults 18-34 (1.8/07 vs. 1.5/06) and ESPN’s Florida State vs. Clemson primetime game in men 18-34 (2.3/09 vs. 0.7/03) and adults 18-34 (1.8/07 vs. 0.5/02). CBS also topped ESPN2’s primetime Vanderbilt vs. Florida game in men 18-34 (2.3/09 vs. 1.1/04) and adults 18-34 (1.8/07 vs. 0.9/04).

The audience composition for CBS SATURDAY NIGHT FIGHTS was 31% adults 18-34 and the median age for the broadcast was 41.4.

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Fedor vs Rogers 9th Most Watched Fight In MMA History

Although this weekend’s “Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers” card was star-studded, America showed there was only one star worth watching as CBS received a huge spike just before Fedor Emelianenko took the cage in his U.S. primetime debut.

According to CBS, between at 11PM and 11:15PM, 5.46 million viewers tuned in to watch the Russian TKO the previously undefeated Brett Rogers in the 2ndRound of their contest.

That number is a significant increase from the 4.01 million viewers that watched during the 10:30 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. timeslot leading-in.

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Fedor Emelianenko Injures Hand In Victory

Fedor Emelianenko injured his left hand during Saturday night’s bout with Brett Rogers. The Russian successfully made his U.S. primetime debut on “Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers,” but it appears to have come at a slight price.

A source close to Team Fedor told the website that the first examination could not determine if Emelianenko had broken bones in his left hand, but he intends to visit a specialist to further assess the damage.

Emelianenko extended his nearly nine-year winning streak last night by defeating Rogers inside the Sears Centre Arena in Hoffman Estates, Illinois. MMA’s Terminator caught the former Sam’s Club employee with a vicious right, sending Rogers to the canvas 1:48 into the second round.

After briefly attending a post-fight press conference, a banged-up Emelianenko was sent to a local hospital. He later returned with his left arm in a soft cast that went up to his elbow area.

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Fedor's only out 4-6 weeks!

Fedor Emelianenko’s injuries may not keep the top-ranked fighter on the sidelines for as long as initially expected.

The Russian heavyweight underwent a successful surgery Tuesday in Los Angeles to correct a dislocated thumb in his left hand and will have a half cast removed in 4-6 weeks, Emelianenko and his M-1 Global management team told Sherdog.com during an exclusive video interview conducted only a few hours following the procedure.

Emelianenko, 33, was initially thought to have sustained tendon or ligament damage in his left thumb during his second-round TKO victory over Brett Rogers at Strikeforce/M-1 Global “Fedor vs. Rogers” at the Sears Centre Arena in Hoffman Estates, Ill. The potentially serious injury could have called for complicated surgery and might have kept the world’s No. 1 heavyweight out of training for an estimated 4-6 months.

Instead, the fighter’s reps said two pins were placed in Emelianenko’s hand to correct the dislocation, and that the bone had not fractured nor broken through the skin as is possible with this type of injury. The 15-minute procedure was performed under general anesthesia at a Santa Monica hospital, said M-1 Global officials.

In the video interview, which will premiere Wednesday, Emelianenko said he believes he hurt his hand early in the first round, but has experienced minimum discomfort from it since.

Emelianenko also said that his nose was not fractured, as was earlier suspected, following Roger’s first punch -- a straight left that cut the bridge of the Russian’s nose and caused steady bleeding throughout the seven-minute bout. Emelianenko, who had no substantial bruising or discoloring around his nose or eyes, said he’d cut the same area sparring with his brother Aleksander over the summer in preparation for his cancelled bout with Josh Barnett for Affliction “Trilogy” on Aug. 1.

Emelianenko said he planned to return to training, sans striking, upon his return to Russia later this week. M-1 officials said Emelianenko could headline his second co-promoted Strikeforce card in the first quarter of 2010

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This may have been beat to death (I haven't read the earlier discussion), but even 50% from PPV's that Fedor is featured in seems like a big taking. I'd love to see Fedor in the UFC but can we reasonably expect the UFC to accept that deal.

Also, I know Dana mouths off a lot about this and other deals, but does he make those decisions unilaterally, without input from the Fertitta bros.?

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That was the rumor that they wanted 50% but Fedor's people have said that was just a starting point for negotiations. Dana said that they were firm on 50%. Who knows who to believe? If Dana is true to what he always says, that the UFC gives the people the fights they want, he would get it done...somehow. The UFC (Dana) thinks there is no competition compared to them and they should dictate terms at all times. He needs to learn how to give in a little to co-promote what would be the biggest fight in MMA history. IMO.

Dana is a minority owner but runs the organization. The Fertitta's trust Dana but ultimately, they have final say.

Dana is a goof ball. In one sentence he will say that Fedor is over-rated and nobody wants to see him fight. Then will turn around and say that they really want him in the UFC. He talks out of both sides of his mouth and he does that alot and usually starts berating people and calling names when he when he doesn't get his way. I respect what he and UFC have done but in spite of what he thinks, they are not the only game in town.

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Don't some boxers split 50/50 ppv revenue?

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They do. Even Don King learned he had to give in, sometimes. And they still make tons of money.

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Cool. I don't know much about the business side of things.

Some cross promo events would be cool. Like when Dana took Chuck to one of the Pride Grand Prix events. Didn't work out like he planned though.

Was there any real negative effects on the UFC when Chuck got ground n' pounded out by Rampage in another Promotions event? I know the UFC wasn't as big then as it is now.

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Not really. It actually worked out well for UFC. He went 2-1 when he was in Pride. Rampage was young and very strong (steroids) at the time and he was nailing everyone during that stretch. Chuck did KO Guy Mezgar and Overeem before losing to Rampage.

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What do you guys think of the Vera/Couture bout? My gut tells me Couture is too much of a strategist to be overcome by Vera, but that's also what I thought right before the Nog fight...

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Tough one. Vera always lets me down in his big fights and Randy always surprises me in his(good and bad). I have to go with Randy but wouldn't be surprised if Vera pulled it off.

How's that for a non-committal answer. :D

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Haha, it's exactly how I feel. I always feel silly saying "it could go either way" because it seems like an obvious (and thick) answer...But this seems like one of those cases to me.

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First and foremost... Dana is a hype man. He is a promoter and not only knows it, but accepts it. He will say whatever he has to say to sell tickets... end of story.

As much as I'll be rootin' for Randy I don't think he'll pull it out in this one. I wish he would, as I would love to see Vera get his ass spanked by the Natural but I just don't see it happening.

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I understand the difference between an opinion piece and facts. The fact is that a VERY large percentage of all UFC profits come from PPV. If they got those, who knows what else they would require when it came time for the next fight?

I gained a lot of respect for Dana after his Tito bout incident. I still think he is a promoter and like most promoter's they are all about the end dollar. (insert Don King here). I still don't think it was a bad move on his part to say no to the 50%.

Would I like to see Fedor come over to the UFC? Heck ya! Would I like to see Pride still around? Heck ya! But these things are likely to never happen as their are too many behind the scenes politics going on.

Couture vs Vera will depend on which Couture shows up. If the Couture of the Sylvia fight shows up, bobbing and weaving, then Vera will lose. If the old Couture shows up, then he will lose.

Lastly, I hate to jump into this thread with both feet in, and maybe I'll go back and read the other posts one day. I will keep aroudn now that I know it's here. I have been a fan of MMA from day one, even watching bootlegged Val Tudo fights, before UFC.

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When did Don King ever give in? I am not asking this challenging, I would really like to know. :)

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The first time was when he and Bob Arum co-promoted Felix Trinidad Jr. - Oscar De La Hoya in September 1999.

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