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I watched some ar15 builds on youtube and it seems easy enough. Hardest part for me will be not losing the springs and pins haha. If I don't build me own I have my eyes set on the m&p 15-T. Otherwise from what I've heard and understand (correct me if I'm wrong) is the lower can be made of cheaper parts but the upper is what really matters? I would definitely stick with bigger name brand parts and if I build it, it won't be a cheap. But if I was to save money would it be on the lower?

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Picked up a used Kel Tec Sub 2k Glock 17 model with three mags. Gonna take it out and give it a run this weekend. Now if I can only find the elusive PMR-30 by obession with Kel Tec will be over........for now.

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I'm a fan of a Bill Springfield's trigger work: http://www.triggerwork.net/arparts.html

Depending on pull weight preference (2.5, 3, or 4 lbs) it'll run you $89-109 for the trigger group parts. I've got the 2.5 lb group on a target gun and I love it, don't think you can come anywhere close to this without doubling the price.

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I've built three AR lowers on my kitchen island, you don't need a bench. If I remember right, the only tools necessary are a few punches, a hammer, an AR-15 armorer's wrench, a screwdriver or hex wrench (depending on grip choice), and a block of wood. The last one only took an hour. You're right about the springs. Not a bad idea to buy an extra detent pin & spring, or two or three. If you have to buy it after your parts kit, paying $8 shipping on a $2 part will drive you mad, but it's not so bad if it's all together.

You won't really save much money building a lower, maybe $100 at best (full disclosure - it's been at least 6 months since I checked prices). What you will get is the opportunity to build exactly what you want. No sense buying a basic lower and then swapping out the grip, stock, trigger, etc. Build it yourself and you're not buying parts you won't use.

If you're in one of the soon-to-be 'ban states', make sure you at least get your stripped lower ASAP.

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Yea the tools are very minimal and I thought you would need a lot more. If I build my own I'm definitely going to build exactly how I want. Some of the premade upper kits though don't look too bad and are exactly what I want. I'm thinking 1-8" turn with a 16" barrel definitely want rails too.

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I put this together in about 30min yesterday using a screw driver, adjustable pliers, and a castle nut wrench. Could have finished faster but I was watching the NBA playoffs. This was only the 2nd lower I put together

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...E2C90E52EB.jpg

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Wow, store by me had a LOT of .22 Remington in stock. Picked up 3, 525rnd boxes and 1 50rnd box of Ultramax .223.

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I priced out a rough build and it came out to about 1200. But with any diy build you always figure extra so I'm thinking 13-1500. Which also happens to be how much a m&p 15t would be.. roughly maybe a little less.

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Bob your in the metro area aren't you? We should do a herf'n'shoot sometime!

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Yep, and I'd be up for it.

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what range(s) do you usually go to? I've been to dexter, firing line in westland and I'm going out to top gun in troy today after work.

edit: linky here http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showth...31#post1829631

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Does anyone here own a Glock 23 compact model? I have an opportunity to by one for $400 and would like to know if it is worth that much and how people like it.

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Don't have a 23 but have carried a Glock for 10 years, that is about an average price for a used one, if its new jump on it, can't go wrong with Glock for a reliable gun.

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Its fairly new. Probably not even had 300 rounds through it.

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If I wanted something in 40, that's a good buy for sure.

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I have a 23. Nice little gun. I did use it for concealed carry until I moved out of Colorado.

My advice, if you haven't done so yet, is head to your gun store and hold a 23 in your hands. Make sure it fits and feels good in your hands, both of them if this going to be your CC. Also, as you know its a .40 which can be a bit snappy in this size but I dig it. I love my Glocks but they fit my hands well. My buddy only shoots Sigs, cause they fit his hands better. Calls my Glocks plastic toys. :sl

Lots of 3rd party accessories and parts galore for Glocks. Easy to work on/clean and they flat shoot everything I have put through them. They still shoot when dirty too. .40 ammo isn't the cheapest but lots of it out there. Easy to reload too.

$400 seems like a good price to me, especially if it comes with a couple of mags, etc. Unless the person has upgraded, it will most likely come with 2 mags and a lock. If you could shoot it prior then that would be best. It's a very solid weapon and I trusted it daily. I like the power of .40 and magazine capacity is nice. You might want to research what generation it is. Not a huge deal but nice to know.

:2

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Just ordered my stripped dpms upper all the ar15 tools and vice thing for the upper/barrel. Also scored 1250 .355 rounds for reloading and 2pounds of winchester wsf powder. It was a good day! :)

Oh yea.. 100 rounds of .223 and 3 ar15 mags too.. damn slopes are all just as slippery as the last!

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Very nice, I will work on the Eotech :tu

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I just got all giddy!! Do you know what model it would be? For that price I'm not picky but i am curious.

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I will find out, I would like a Zombie Stopper!

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I'd be ok with that! Or the hhs ii would be nice too :). Although I think an hhsii for that price is wishful thinking

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Its a 4th gen and it has only had around 250 rounds through it. my buddy is building an AR and needs the money. It comes with 3 mags, cleaning rod, back strap holster, and a hard case. It was purchased brand new last august. I think I'm getting a pretty good deal.

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Ya, buy it :tu

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Hmm a LGS has a stripped dpms lower for 205.. 40 bucks more then online but its in stock... what do yoi guys think?

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Depends on how fast you want it built I guess, $40 for instant gratification is ok in my book :r

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:r:r SOLD!

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Damn Slippery Slopes!! :lr

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Tell me about it.. I'm actually over my allowance for the month... but I figure since I made my own allowance rule.. I'm allowed to break it, right?

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Of course, although I will completely understand when you tell your wife that and she :gary :r

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Nooo they close at 4 and they are 35 minutes away. I called though and he put it aside for me :). Not married yet and single as of 3 months ago!

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Yea, I'd jump on it. I just bought one about a month ago (3rd Gen), they are hard to find in my area right now. Couldn't find a 4th Gen. New ones are going around mid 500's if IIRC.

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That's actually a good price when you think if the FFL transfer fee you'd have to pay if you order one from online. Minimum would be $15.

Went and shot the sporting clays course today with the new shotgun. Worked like crap. No way my aim is that bad. :D

Actually, it performed really, really good. I'm hooked. Stopped by a local store afterwards and was able to score 10 boxes of shells for $5.50/box.

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Nice! I just found out there's a pistol/archery/black powder and rifle range in my area with upto 600yard lanes and clays too :). I'm not even close to having all my paets for the ar and now I want a shotgun too... I thought the cigar slope was slippery. This is no slope.. more like a cliff.

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Bought it. now to get my CCW
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Nice job Earl :tu

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Thanks. Can't wait to start buying stuff for it.

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Wheres that at? I would love to try some long range stuff when I get my tack driver built.

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Nicely done Earl.

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Washtenaw sportsmens club. Its not real clear if you need to be a member or not though. I know the events they run are open to the public.

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First round of brass tumbling ever is done! Is it ok if the marks on the inside of the case at the very bottom where the primer sits are still there? Inside and outside case walls are clean and shiny.

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Attachment 13415

Next piece of furniture for my AR. Eotech Zombie Stopper :tu

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Love that gun.
One thing I would like to point out that may or may not be a problem, depending on how you intend to carry.
I am a fan of the Gen 4 as like the subtle changes on my 21 from the Gen 3.
However, when I was shopping for a concealed .40 (changed my mind and ended up with a Shield 9), I was bent on getting the 27 until the salesman asked me to try to conceal it. When I did, I realized what he was trying to point out is how that Gen 4 grip irritates the crap out of your skin as those little grip bumps rub on your skin.
Within seconds, I had an annoying rash.
May or may not be a problem for you but thought I would give you a heads up.
However, regardless, awesome gun and congrats!

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Good point Carlos, I forgot all about the tearing up of skin and shirts. I have a 17 RTF and although I didn't conceal that one, it rubbed holes into my work shirts.

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This was my dads, he gave it to me shortly before passing away. He loved this gun. I just got it back from the gunsmith, I lost a part when I took it apart to clean it. Colt .357 Peacekeeper, going to shoot with it this weekend if the weather is fit.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8557/8...356a7475_b.jpg
Dad's old revolver by Jeff Carroll01, on Flickr

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Sweet gun Jeff :tu

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Sweet gun indeed.

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You mean black ash/dirt inside the primer pocket? If you got a reloading kit, it probably came with a primer pocket cleaner. You can use that to make it a bit better. You're really just making sure there's nothing in there that would prevent the primer from seating fully - i.e. fairly significant buildup.

For what it's worth, I clean the pockets for my rifle brass, but not pistol.

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Thanks for the info! The brass has only been shot once and I cleaned them with the primers still in to prevent media in the primer pockets. They all look decently clean in there.

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Mid $500s?? Wholy crap. Here picked up a 4th gen 23 for $425.

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For a brand new Gen 4?
Where would that be? That is too good to pass up.
Upwards of $500 even online.