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MedicCook 07-28-2009 08:59 PM

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Pretty impressive. I was waiting to see if he could toss a 2nd perfect game in a row. Only 1 player has ever thrown back to back no-hitters.

icehog3 07-28-2009 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MedicCook (Post 484213)
Pretty impressive. I was waiting to see if he could toss a 2nd perfect game in a row. Only 1 player has ever thrown back to back no-hitters.

Who was that, Ryan?

VirtualSmitty 07-28-2009 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 484216)
Who was that, Ryan?

Nope, Johnny Vander Meer did it for the Reds back in the 30's.

MedicCook 07-28-2009 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 484251)
Nope, Johnny Vander Meer did it for the Reds back in the 30's.

:tu

icehog3 07-28-2009 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 484216)
Who was that, Ryan?

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 484251)
Nope, Johnny Vander Meer did it for the Reds back in the 30's.

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Originally Posted by MedicCook (Post 484356)
:tu

:r :r

MedicCook's name is Ryan, Joe, I was personalizing the question!

MedicCook 07-28-2009 10:08 PM

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I can see where he thought you meant Nolan Ryan.

icehog3 07-28-2009 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MedicCook (Post 484361)
I can see where he thought you meant Nolan Ryan.

Me too. :r

VirtualSmitty 07-29-2009 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 484360)
:r :r

MedicCook's name is Ryan, Joe, I was personalizing the question!

Whoops :r

kelmac07 07-29-2009 08:25 AM

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Shame to see Burhle lose it the way he did. My Mets have won FOUR in a row...woo-hoo!!!

MedicCook 07-29-2009 09:50 AM

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Cliff Lee may be going to the Phillies.

Wang's Yankee season is over with shoulder surgery.

VirtualSmitty 07-29-2009 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MedicCook (Post 484831)
Cliff Lee may be going to the Phillies.

Wang's Yankee season is over with shoulder surgery.

Bad news about Wang. Seems like there are a number of teams interested in Lee right now, will be interesting to see how the next couple of days play out.

MedicCook 07-29-2009 10:42 AM

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With both Lee & Doc and if the Yankees & Red Sox actually get heavy into the bidding.

MedicCook 07-29-2009 11:47 AM

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Just reported.

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The Phillies have reached agreement with the Indians on a trade that would bring them left-hander Cliff Lee and outfielder Ben Francisco for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson, according to major-league sources.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9...s'-ace-Lee

MedicCook 07-29-2009 12:25 PM

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More trade news.

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The Pittsburgh Pirates have dealt shortstop Jack Wilson and right-handed pitcher Ian Snell to the Seattle Mariners for shortstop Ronny Cedeno, first baseman Jeff Clement, and right-handed pitching prospects Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock, the Pirates announced Wednesday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4363900

yourchoice 07-29-2009 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MedicCook (Post 484996)
Just reported.

Didn't give up any of the "key chips" the Jays were looking for either (Happ, Drabek and Brown) or Taylor.

Not saying they'll go for Doc too, but.... well.... one can dream!

kelmac07 07-29-2009 12:28 PM

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The Phillies have reached agreement with the Indians on a trade that would bring them left-hander Cliff Lee and outfielder Ben Francisco for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson, according to major-league sources.

This makes the Phillies a lot stronger!!! DAMNIT!!

MedicCook 07-29-2009 12:29 PM

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For the type of players the Jays are wanting I am fine with letting someone else other than the Yankees get him.

MedicCook 07-29-2009 12:35 PM

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There is a rumor about the Yankees looking to trade for Jarrod Washburn.

yourchoice 07-29-2009 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MedicCook (Post 485081)
For the type of players the Jays are wanting I am fine with letting someone else other than the Yankees get him.

I agree. JP Riccardi (sp?) is writing his ticket out of a job. I'm hearing the Phils called the Jays before finalizing the deal with the Indians, offering the same package along with Happ, and the Jays said no. Moving on...

scoot 07-29-2009 03:25 PM

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Now if Amaro will toss Happ, Drabek, and Brown to the Jays for Doc we can go ahead and win back-to-back titles.

The Poet 07-29-2009 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by scoot (Post 485464)
Now if Amaro will toss Happ, Drabek, and Brown to the Jays for Doc we can go ahead and win back-to-back titles.

Yeah - if they toss in Rollins and Howard as extras maybe. :ss

yourchoice 07-29-2009 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by scoot (Post 485464)
Now if Amaro will toss Happ, Drabek, and Brown to the Jays for Doc we can go ahead and win back-to-back titles.

0.05% chance of that, but I think they have a very good chance (3/1 ~ 4/1) with just this move.

Don't forget they finally got a right-handed bat off the bench along with Lee too! Ben Francisco

Darrell 07-29-2009 04:23 PM

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We are the Wild Card, just took the Pirates at the bottom of the 10th.

Tomorrow starts the series against Philly, it's going to be insane. I'll be at the game Sunday.

scoot 07-29-2009 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by yourchoice (Post 485506)
0.05% chance of that, but I think they have a very good chance (3/1 ~ 4/1) with just this move.

Don't forget they finally got a right-handed bat off the bench along with Lee too! Ben Francisco

Yeah I know, but I think it would be better than keeping Happ and Drabek. Happ is good, but its unlikely that he'll develop into a number one guy, teams are going to start hitting him one they see more of him. Drabek is a prospect and as such is largely unproven, plus he's only 21 and has already had Tommy John surgery. I'd gladly give them both away for Halladay in the rotation for the remainder of this year and next season. It would make the likelihood of a world championship that much higher. Plus he'd be more than likely to resign if he gets a ring while he's here.

But, the big downside to Halladay is his 15M+ contract for next year which Amaro will almost definitely not take on after getting Lee and with other financial issues, such as Blanton, to handle. I'd still love to see it happen though.

scoot 07-29-2009 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Poet (Post 485479)
Yeah - if they toss in Rollins and Howard as extras maybe. :ss

No, they would most likely accept as it was the Jays original offer.

yourchoice 07-29-2009 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by scoot (Post 485576)
Yeah I know, but I think it would be better than keeping Happ and Drabek. Happ is good, but its unlikely that he'll develop into a number one guy, teams are going to start hitting him one they see more of him. Drabek is a prospect and as such is largely unproven, plus he's only 21 and has already had Tommy John surgery. I'd gladly give them both away for Halladay in the rotation for the remainder of this year and next season. It would make the likelihood of a world championship that much higher. Plus he'd be more than likely to resign if he gets a ring while he's here.

But, the big downside to Halladay is his 15M+ contract for next year which Amaro will almost definitely not take on after getting Lee and with other financial issues, such as Blanton, to handle. I'd still love to see it happen though.

For the most part, I agree. Happ is a major league pitcher, but probably realistically will develop into a solid 3. Drabek is supposedly a stud (top of the rotation guy) but actually, I think he's had two surgeries (one in HS). The guy you left out that the Jays wanted, Brown, is supposedly a super prospect too. From what I heard he's one of three outfielders presently in A ball who is projected to be a MLB All-Star (a guy in the Braves system and a guy in the Marlins system are the other two). It would have been an awful lot for Doc, but I still would have loved to got him. If last year's AL Cy Young winner was the back-up plan, I'm not complaining.

It's crazy to think this is the same ownership that was in place in the late '90s.

Darrell 07-30-2009 11:25 AM

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So we traded Tim Alderson for Freddy Sanchez.

I am not 100% behind this trade.

I have concerns about Sanchez and his knee problems, though he bats .300 for his career. We can def use some hitters.

Alderson was a good prospect pitcher, but we have enough pitchers.

My biggest concern again, is Sanchez's knee problems.

yourchoice 07-30-2009 11:37 AM

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There's a report that Manny and Ortiz were both on the list of those who tested positive in 2003.

Link.

Let's see what spin Faux-Sox Nation has! :D The only thing I'd rather hear less than that is what the Weasel Empire has to add! :r

Darrell 07-30-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by yourchoice (Post 486829)
There's a report that Manny and Ortiz were both on the list of those who tested positive in 2003.

Link.

Let's see what spin Faux-Sox Nation has! :D The only thing I'd rather not hear is what the Weasel Empire has to add! :r

Good!

Now they need to be barred from the HOF.

kelmac07 07-30-2009 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 486819)
So we traded Tim Alderson for Freddy Sanchez.

I am not 100% behind this trade.

I have concerns about Sanchez and his knee problems, though he bats .300 for his career. We can def use some hitters.

Alderson was a good prospect pitcher, but we have enough pitchers.

My biggest concern again, is Sanchez's knee problems.

But Sanchez is a gamer, excellent hitter and he plugs the hole at second for the Giants...they have PLENTY of pitching already. I think this trade makes you guys stronger.

PeteSB75 07-30-2009 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 486833)
Good!

Now they need to be barred from the HOF.

Now we need to bar everyone who played before 2004. Because they were ALL using them.

MedicCook 07-30-2009 11:51 AM

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The Yankees are looking to pick up Corey Patterson off wavers since Gardner is out with a broken hand for a while.

VirtualSmitty 07-30-2009 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MedicCook (Post 486856)
The Yankees are looking to pick up Corey Patterson off wavers since Gardner is out with a broken hand for a while.

Bah, he sucks. Not even the freakin' Nats wanted him :r

MedicCook 07-30-2009 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 486870)
Bah, he sucks. Not even the freakin' Nats wanted him :r

Off of waivers he is pretty much free to the Yankees and they could use another bench player while Gardner is out. It would be a no lose pick up.

VirtualSmitty 07-30-2009 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MedicCook (Post 486871)
Off of waivers he is pretty much free to the Yankees and they could use another bench player while Gardner is out. It would be a no lose pick up.

I'd rather see them bring up Austin Jackson or give Shelley Duncan another chance.

MedicCook 07-30-2009 12:04 PM

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Austin Jackson needs to be playing everyday though. I think he has a great shot at opening day roster in 2010 though.

VirtualSmitty 07-30-2009 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MedicCook (Post 486884)
Austin Jackson needs to be playing everyday though. I think he has a great shot at opening day roster in 2010 though.

Eh, I don't think a trip to the majors would be a bad thing for him. If they platooned him on and off with Melky he'd get enough at bats. Patterson just seems like a waste of time, Gardener is only going to be gone for two weeks.

Darrell 07-30-2009 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 486837)
But Sanchez is a gamer, excellent hitter and he plugs the hole at second for the Giants...they have PLENTY of pitching already. I think this trade makes you guys stronger.

Aren't you concerned about the knee?

The Poet 07-30-2009 02:57 PM

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Mike's Mets were rained out last night. Too bad. Not only were they on a roll, I heard that Omar Minaya was scheduled to throw out the ceremonial first reporter. :D

VirtualSmitty 07-30-2009 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 486897)
Aren't you concerned about the knee?

Well worth the risk. The Giants need bats, they won't miss one pitching prospect. And Sanchez can hit, I think it was a pretty good trade.

Dodgers picked up Sherill today. Good move, he was pretty tough on hitters here in the AL East.

Darrell 07-30-2009 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by VirtualSmitty (Post 487179)
Well worth the risk. The Giants need bats, they won't miss one pitching prospect. And Sanchez can hit, I think it was a pretty good trade.

Dodgers picked up Sherill today. Good move, he was pretty tough on hitters here in the AL East.

Yeah, you're right. We do need hitters. Right now the only big hitter we really have is Pablo and he has not been doing much as of recent.

kelmac07 07-30-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 486897)
Aren't you concerned about the knee?

Not with his bat!!!

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Originally Posted by The Poet (Post 487173)
Mike's Mets were rained out last night. Too bad. Not only were they on a roll, I heard that Omar Minaya was scheduled to throw out the ceremonial first reporter. :D

We beat the Rockies behind an outstanding pitching performance from Santana this afternoon...FIVE IN A ROW!!!!! See if we can keep it up tonight with game #2 of the doubleheader. As for Minaya...TOO FUNNY!!! I really think he is the damn problem...the younger Wilpon wants to send his sorry a$$ packing...I am all for it!! :tu

VirtualSmitty 07-30-2009 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmac07 (Post 487183)
As for Minaya...TOO FUNNY!!! I really think he is the damn problem...the younger Wilpon wants to send his sorry a$$ packing...I am all for it!! :tu

He really does need to get the boot.

Darrell 07-30-2009 09:52 PM

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Man, Gigantes are showing Philly -- WHAT'S UP!

kelmac07 07-30-2009 09:58 PM

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Mets couldn't make it six in a row...

icehog3 07-30-2009 10:21 PM

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Cubs and Tigers both in 1st place in their divisions. :)

VirtualSmitty 07-31-2009 10:19 AM

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Tigers got Washburn from the Mariners. Solid trade for Detroit, gives them an even tougher rotation.

MedicCook 07-31-2009 10:36 AM

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Unless a miracle happens today Doc will be staying in Toronto.

Darrell 07-31-2009 11:49 AM

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So, second game against the Phillies tonight. I hope we win again, we have Sadowski starting.

Last night was 7-2, great game.

MedicCook 07-31-2009 11:52 AM

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Twins have acquired shortstop Orlando Cabrera from the A's for Class A shortstop Tyler Ladendorf.


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