A-Fraud Tests Positive for Steroid Use

[Yazzie]

Great News Here!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3890785

[Bruzee]

Wow..... Cheaters!

[dunng]

Not surprised... :ss

[MikeyC]

A-fraud . . . cheating? I'd like to say I'm surprised but I've already observed him try to cheat on other occassions in other ways.

[tenbaseg]

Now he's truly a Yankee.

[dunng]

http://mobclan.com/pointto/ArodPurse.jpg

[Scottw]

Wow, that great news is only 6 years old. 2003?

[bvilchez]

Now he's truly a Yankee.

Hey watch the low blow there!!!!!


I hated that man since I found out Steinbrenner was going after him. His conceited attitude has been nothing but a disruption for the team. We haven't had a TEAM in a while. All that individualism is killing them.

I'm glad that happened to him. Hope he gets a hefty fine along with it and a....let's say 1 year.....suspension.

Better yet.....make him turn in those Pinstripes!!!!!!!!!!! He doesn't deserve to be a Yankee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chippewastud79]

Sadly this really means nothing on the field. It may (may not) have a Barry Bonds-esque effect on his public perception, but he will still be starting at third base come the season opener with no repercussions. :bh

[VirtualSmitty]

Hey watch the low blow there!!!!!


I hated that man since I found out Steinbrenner was going after him. His conceited attitude has been nothing but a disruption for the team. We haven't had a TEAM in a while. All that individualism is killing them.

I'm glad that happened to him. Hope he gets a hefty fine along with it and a....let's say 1 year.....suspension.

Better yet.....make him turn in those Pinstripes!!!!!!!!!!! He doesn't deserve to be a Yankee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He won't. It happened in 2003, penalties weren't instituted until 2004. Dissapointed yes, surprised no. Seems like just about all the great players from that era juiced at one time or another.

[chippewastud79]

He won't. It happened in 2003, penalties weren't instituted until 2004. Dissapointed yes, surprised no. Seems like just about all the great players from that era juiced at one time or another.

:tpd: It is fairly safe to assume at this point that more of the big name players were taking something than not. 103 players tested positive out of 5% of the major leaguers who were tested, that sounds like a pretty large percentage considering it likely translates to the rest of the league pretty well. It will likely go down as "The Steroid Era" adding an feeling of doubt that will be attached to all records set in the past 15 years or so.

[MedicCook]

This also happened prior to being a Yankee. Since he has been a Yankee there has been no positive tests.

I also agee that he is a distraction to the team. I have never liked him but I will root for him as long as he is a Yankee.

[elderboy02]

I hate cheaters. Stay classy A-Rod

[chippewastud79]

I hate cheaters. Stay classy A-Rod

Sadly you better start hating most players in the last 10-15 years then. :hn

[elderboy02]

Sadly you better start hating most players in the last 10-15 years then. :hn

Yep. It is sad that people have to cheat.

[chippewastud79]

Yep. It is sad that people have to cheat.

Its hard for athletes to not want an edge when you are talking about millions of dollars up for grabs, particularly in baseball. They created the situation and now there is nothing they can do to stop the backlash. Sad thing is that it took until 2004 for MLB to catch up with the rest of sports and MLBPA knew the whole time steroids were clearly being used by their athletes and tried to avoid the penalties for as long as possible. :hm

[MedicCook]

A lot of these players also listen to their private trainers 'friends' a little too much and do not do the research themselves to see what is in some of these products they are taking.

[Yazzie]

A lot of these players also listen to their private trainers 'friends' a little too much and do not do the research themselves to see what is in some of these products they are taking.

Maybe a few but by and large that's the lame excuse some use....."I didn't know what was in it" The cream and the Clear....Cmon, as an athlete it is your responsibility and decision what does or does not go in or on your body

[elderboy02]

Maybe a few but by and large that's the lame excuse some use....."I didn't know what was in it" The cream and the Clear....Cmon, as an athlete it is your responsibility and decision what does or does not go in or on your body

Yep. It is a horrible excuse. "It was flaxseed oil" :bs

[SeanGAR]

Its hard for athletes to not want an edge when you are talking about millions of dollars up for grabs, particularly in baseball. They created the situation and now there is nothing they can do to stop the backlash. Sad thing is that it took until 2004 for MLB to catch up with the rest of sports and MLBPA knew the whole time steroids were clearly being used by their athletes and tried to avoid the penalties for as long as possible. :hm

Exactly. Players know the other guys are doing it and if they don't, they may lose their edge and their jobs to the other guy's drugs. ARod was using before it was illegal. Yawn. Seriously, this is big news?

[tobii3]

and this surprises who?? Anyone?? Bueller?? Bueller??

[gettysburgfreak]

Music to my ears

[smokinj]

A-Rod= POS

[Yazzie]

A-Rod= POS


:tpd::tu

[blugill]

I'm starting to change my position on steroids. What steroids have really done is make the game more interesting to watch. More strikeouts, more home runs, more hits, better fielding.

IMHO most players are or were at least on HGH. Most being the majority. There are plenty of people who aren't and I'm sure they have mediocre numbers. It was way more interesting to watch a game when the hitter and pitcher were juiced.

The drugs really didn't hurt anyone but the individual player and of course the record books which hurt the baseball purists which in turn have held the game back and kept it from evolving to compete with the NFL in terms of popularity.

Bring back the roids and make the game watchable again!

[taltos]

I almost feel sorry for A-roid when he visits other ball parks this year, especially Fenway. Life will be miserable for that piece of scum this season.:ss

[VirtualSmitty]

I almost feel sorry for A-roid when he visits other ball parks this year, especially Fenway. Life will be miserable for that piece of scum this season.:ss

There's still 103 other players unnamed. I wonder who on Boston has been roiding?

[Genetic Defect]

what a surprise :rolleyes:

[ca21455]

I'm starting to change my position on steroids. What steroids have really done is make the game more interesting to watch. More strikeouts, more home runs, more hits, better fielding.

IMHO most players are or were at least on HGH. Most being the majority. There are plenty of people who aren't and I'm sure they have mediocre numbers. It was way more interesting to watch a game when the hitter and pitcher were juiced.

The drugs really didn't hurt anyone but the individual player and of course the record books which hurt the baseball purists which in turn have held the game back and kept it from evolving to compete with the NFL in terms of popularity.

Bring back the roids and make the game watchable again!

Using steroids is wrong for so many reasons. It is difficult these days to find a good role model for kids we don't need to tell them it is ok to not work hard and just use drugs to get better. Not only is this taking the lazy way out but it will also kill you and that's ok to be famous and make money.

[VirtualSmitty]

Using steroids is wrong for so many reasons. It is difficult these days to find a good role model for kids ...

Ummm, parents?

[Genetic Defect]

Ummm, parents?

:tpd:

[RJK18]

and this surprises who?? Anyone?? Bueller?? Bueller??
:tpd:
Sadly you better start hating most players in the last 10-15 years then. :hn

You better go back much farther then that. Ball players started taking steroids only after mlb got rid of the 5 gallon pails of Amphetamines from the locker rooms. I say you have to go back 30- 40 yrs.

[ca21455]

Ummm, parents?

Your absolutely correct! I was just referring to using a sports figure as a role model. These days parents are the ones that have to step up and be a role model and by saying that using steroids is ok is sending the wrong message.

[blugill]

Your absolutely correct! I was just referring to using a sports figure as a role model. These days parents are the ones that have to step up and be a role model and by saying that using steroids is ok is sending the wrong message.

Ok so lets examine that for a minute. Our society is essentially for the time being a capitalist society. Success in the athletic world, for better or worse, is usually based on making bank by putting up numbers.

Steroids, HGH, clear, cream what have you is a way to achieve that. Yes it does have serious physical side effects but so does working for a living in a steel plant or a coal mine. In the innercities it might be gang related activities that shortens your lifespan, steroids are tame in comparison.

The plus side is that you can put up monster numbers, heal faster, jump higher and maybe long enough to make your big payday.

[mosesbotbol]

Remember, the Majors is entertainment. You want home runs? You want big hits and big pitching? Baseball is not ready to bite the hand it feeds from. The Senate is wasting our taxpayer's money. Sure the Gov't can ruin a few legends, but let the Majors take care of Majors.

[taltos]

There's still 103 other players unnamed. I wonder who on Boston has been roiding?Wouldn't be surprised if a player or players from Boston got caught. If so, he or they would also be a huge pos for violating the fan's trust.:fl

[Genetic Defect]

Remember, the Majors is entertainment. You want home runs? You want big hits and big pitching? Baseball is not ready to bite the hand it feeds from. The Senate is wasting our taxpayer's money. Sure the Gov't can ruin a few legends, but let the Majors take care of Majors.

Not everyone finds it entertaining

[blugill]

Not everyone finds it entertaining

Well not now that people aren't hitting 70 home runs a year....

[Genetic Defect]

Well not now that people aren't hitting 70 home runs a year....

Even then I wasn't entertained. I get bored easy now with most sports

[Partagaspete]

Wasn't Clemens roiding too? where did he come from? Oh yeay your organization. Didn't you guys try to outbid NY for A-Rod but loose? What would you guys be saying if you had him. Gimme a break!

Some Bo-sox fans can be so hypocritical it is not even funny. Not to mention a bit xenophobic.


You want to talk Sports; then talk about your Bruins instead of Hating on the Yankees. They are doing great and have a real shot this year.

T

[taltos]

Wasn't Clemens roiding too? where did he come from? Oh yeay your organization. Didn't you guys try to outbid NY for A-Rod but loose? What would you guys be saying if you had him. Gimme a break!

Some Bo-sox fans can be so hypocritical it is not even funny. Not to mention a bit xenophobic.


You want to talk Sports; then talk about your Bruins instead of Hating on the Yankees. They are doing great and have a real shot this year.

TCouple of points, the Red Sox won the A-Rod derby but the Players' Association would not let him redo his contract. Also, Clemens spent more time outside the Boston organization than he did within it. You obviously did not read my post where I condemned any Boston players who used performance enhancing drugs. Hating on the Yankees is a Boston tradition as is Yankee fans hating on the Red Sox. Try being fair in your responses when fairness is justified.

[MiamiE]

I hate the Yankees, and enjoy the Red Sox success a lot. I am not a fan of either, but if you think no former or current Red Sox are 'juicing', you are living in la la land. This is a sports writers dream.

[VirtualSmitty]

Wasn't Clemens roiding too? where did he come from? Oh yeay your organization. Didn't you guys try to outbid NY for A-Rod but loose? What would you guys be saying if you had him. Gimme a break!

Some Bo-sox fans can be so hypocritical it is not even funny. Not to mention a bit xenophobic.



Red Sox nation wouldn't be Red Sox nation if they didn't constantly ***** about every little thing the Yankees do. Whining is their specialty Pete ;)

Anywho, i'm pumped. The added A-Rod hate over roiding isn't going to make any difference. Hardly anyone here likes the guy, can't see how he could be booed any more than he already has been. Lord knows i'll be there opening day with a few choice words for him :D

[AD720]

A-Rod will get in the H.O.F. Mark Mcguire will get in the H.O.F. Barry Bonds will get in the H.O.F.


Peter Edward Rose will not. :sad

[Yazzie]

A-Rod will get in the H.O.F. Mark Mcguire will get in the H.O.F. Barry Bonds will get in the H.O.F.


Peter Edward Rose will not. :sad

I'm not so sure about that. The writers have clearly said (by their vote or lack there of) that they are not ready to put McGuire in......

[AD720]

I'm not so sure about that. The writers have clearly said (by their vote or lack there of) that they are not ready to put McGuire in......

McGuire or not my point is the same. Pete Rose did his time now let him in!

Sorry for the thread jack.

[BigFrank]

Not surprised by A-Rod. Most guys use, or have used. Thinking guys arent on something is being naive.

[Asher]

Exactly. Players know the other guys are doing it and if they don't, they may lose their edge and their jobs to the other guy's drugs. ARod was using before it was illegal.

I don't know what type of steroids A-Rod was using or whether he had a prescription, but MLB banned steroids in 1991, and anabolic steroids were classified as controlled substances in 1990.

[Ace$nyper]

They just picked the biggest name player to out. Bigger news story. That's probably why the boston fans are so busy up in arms, no one cares about anyone their.

That aside, no really, It's just biggest name most shock. I dunno I kind am on the fence, I mean if you sat at your office job and guzzled HGH you won't be huge you still need to work out for it. Should we ban protein shakes next?

Sports of any kind have always been about the edge, be it race cars drilling holes in the suspension for that last pound, putting your hands behind you to force a foul or gobble something to wire you up.

Not putting any spin on it that's just how it is, and riods are now the loophole or edge that is getting closed.

Personally I'm mixed on it, these people live for this sport they aren't morons they understand the risks should it be stopped? It is unfair to those who choose not to. But is giving up 5 years later on worth it for another good season? I'm not holding a needle and wondering that.

I'm not looking to stand up for or bash any of the players. Just throwing it out.

[VirtualSmitty]

I don't know what type of steroids A-Rod was using or whether he had a prescription, but MLB banned steroids in 1991, and anabolic steroids were classified as controlled substances in 1990.

There was no testing and no penalties for doing so though. Testing didn't come until 03, penalties didn't come into effect until 04.

[Asher]

There was no testing and no penalties for doing so though. Testing didn't come until 03, penalties didn't come into effect until 04.

Yeah, and we can thank the players' union for that. With a steroid ban but no testing or penalties, any player who did the right thing and didn't take steroids was at a disadvantage.

[wrench turner 85]

Not surprised... :ss

:tpd::tpd::tpd:

[Starscream]

I'm not condoning steroids, but nowadays you have to take them just to be competitive w/ the rest of the users in professional sports today. There are still some greats who are steroid free, such as Griffey Jr. (at least as far as we know), but it seems that more and more of these guys are users. Makes me wonder why Barry Bonds was crucified when there were many others doing the same thing he was doing (and before you say they crucified him for being an @$$hole, look at Ty Cobb).



I kinda expect this outta A-Rod, but I'd be shocked if it comes out that Jeter was a user. He's more of a class act than that, despite him being a Yankee.

[AD720]

I'm not condoning steroids, but nowadays you have to take them just to be competitive w/ the rest of the users in professional sports today. There are still some greats who are steroid free, such as Griffey Jr. (at least as far as we know), but it seems that more and more of these guys are users. Makes me wonder why Barry Bonds was crucified when there were many others doing the same thing he was doing (and before you say they crucified him for being an @$$hole, look at Ty Cobb).



I kinda expect this outta A-Rod, but I'd be shocked if it comes out that Jeter was a user. He's more of a class act than that, despite him being a Yankee.

I can only speak for myself but for me it is because he broke long-standing and respected records with the help of an advantage that the record holders did not have. I highly doubt that Hank Aaron used anabolic steroids.

[gettysburgfreak]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/pgStory?contentId=9194164#sport=MLB&photo=9197300


great list detailing what a scumbag this guy has been

[Starscream]

I can only speak for myself but for me it is because he broke long-standing and respected records with the help of an advantage that the record holders did not have. I highly doubt that Hank Aaron used anabolic steroids.

I also highly doubt that Hank Aaron faced pitchers who used anabolic steroids either. :)

[Yazzie]

I also highly doubt that Hank Aaron faced pitchers who used anabolic steroids either. :)


True....I think MLB is going to have to have some kind of Asterik, footnote (call it what you want) to distinguish the Steroid Era. I love the game and it will go on. Tough decision though on how to account for this

[Genetic Defect]

I guess its ok to cheat if everyone is cheating, and also ok to steal if everyone is stealing, etc.

[Starscream]

I guess its ok to cheat if everyone is cheating, and also ok to steal if everyone is stealing, etc.

Exactly!:D

No, it's not, but if everyone else is doing it, one person should not be crucified while others are merely slapped on the wrist. I'm not condoning the use of steroids, just pointing out an often overlooked point-of-view.

[AD720]

I also highly doubt that Hank Aaron faced pitchers who used anabolic steroids either. :)

True....I think MLB is going to have to have some kind of Asterik, footnote (call it what you want) to distinguish the Steroid Era. I love the game and it will go on. Tough decision though on how to account for this

I guess its ok to cheat if everyone is cheating, and also ok to steal if everyone is stealing, etc.

:tpd:

It is a shame but it is true. Baseball definitely lost it's innocence in the last 10 years or so and it is really sad.

[Yazzie]

Exactly!:D

No, it's not, but if everyone else is doing it, one person should not be crucified while others are merely slapped on the wrist. I'm not condoning the use of steroids, just pointing out an often overlooked point-of-view.

Agreed...Look the media sucks and anyone that does not cooperate with them (Barry Bonds for one) gets crucified by them....The media in this country sucks and plays a large part in what gets spoon fed to us

[Starscream]

Agreed...Look the media sucks and anyone that does not cooperate with them (Barry Bonds for one) gets crucified by them....The media in this country sucks and plays a large part in what gets spoon fed to us

And that's not just baseball. Look at our economic crisis right now. It wasn't good in the first place, but the media has caused us to spiral in the last few months out of nothing more than fearmongering tactics.

[mosesbotbol]

I almost feel sorry for A-roid when he visits other ball parks this year, especially Fenway. Life will be miserable for that piece of scum this season.:ss

Do you think the Sox are immune from this? Think Kapler is roid's free? What about Ortiz? Certainly when Conseco was playing several players from Valentin, Vaughn, Everett look like obvious "enhanced" players...

[mosesbotbol]

I'm not condoning steroids, but nowadays you have to take them just to be competitive w/ the rest of the users in professional sports today. There are still some greats who are steroid free, such as Griffey Jr. (at least as far as we know), but it seems that more and more of these guys are users. Makes me wonder why Barry Bonds was crucified when there were many others doing the same thing he was doing (and before you say they crucified him for being an @$$hole, look at Ty Cobb).



I kinda expect this outta A-Rod, but I'd be shocked if it comes out that Jeter was a user. He's more of a class act than that, despite him being a Yankee.

Bonds had nothing lose by telling the truth, but he is such a self-centered egomaniac. He believes his own dillusions and that he is untouchable. I don't think Congress should even bother with this, but it looks like Bonds could see jail time in this...

[taltos]

Do you think the Sox are immune from this? Think Kapler is roid's free? What about Ortiz? Certainly when Conseco was playing several players from Valentin, Vaughn, Everett look like obvious "enhanced" players...Did you read my previous post where I stated that any Red Sox players who used were also a POS? I am convinced that Kapler and Nomar used and with his behavior, Everett would be a good suspect. It would be nice if people would read a thread before jumping someone's schitt.

[VirtualSmitty]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/pgStory?contentId=9194164#sport=MLB&photo=9197300


great list detailing what a scumbag this guy has been

That's a pretty bad list. I don't like A-Rod, but I wouldn't call him a scumbag. He at the very least has donated quite a few million dollars to various charities.

Overpaid, over hyped, under performer in the playoffs, bad choice in women, sure. Scumbag no.

[Starscream]

Bonds had nothing lose by telling the truth, but he is such a self-centered egomaniac. He believes his own dillusions and that he is untouchable. I don't think Congress should even bother with this, but it looks like Bonds could see jail time in this...

That's my biggest peeve in all of this. Why is Congress getting involved in Major League Baseball? Don't they have important things to worry about, such as the economy, our troops, and our overall well-being?

[Partagaspete]

Couple of points, the Red Sox won the A-Rod derby but the Players' Association would not let him redo his contract. Also, Clemens spent more time outside the Boston organization than he did within it. You obviously did not read my post where I condemned any Boston players who used performance enhancing drugs. Hating on the Yankees is a Boston tradition as is Yankee fans hating on the Red Sox. Try being fair in your responses when fairness is justified.

"hating on the Yankees is a boston tradition." LOL, so true. Some of my best friends are Red Sox fans and we enjoy such banter. But be honest if you guys had him you guys would be singing a different song. That is my only point. IMHO my response was fair and justified though especially with all the anti-Yankees rhetoric found in these threads. I too condemn any player that does this on that we can agree.

You guys won a series, the curse is over, move on. That is what I am getting at.

T

[gettysburgfreak]

well, the guy came out and admitted roid use from 2001-2003. I will give him credit for having the balls to own up to it instead of flat out denying it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-rodriguez-steroids&prov=ap&type=lgns

[Starscream]

well, the guy came out and admitted roid use from 2001-2003. I will give him credit for having the balls to own up to it instead of flat out denying it.



:tpd:
Most of them will deny it even after getting caught.

[Yazzie]

:tpd:
Most of them will deny it even after getting caught.

He did it because his PR folks told him to do it. I'm sure they had an 8 hour meeting with the best PR strategist foks that money could buy and they told him to do this.

Look at the recent events in this area and how the public has reacted. Clemens and Bonds admit nothing to this day while Giambi and some others apoligize and the public and media are much more accepting....

[gettysburgfreak]

anybody watching his interview with Peter Gammons on ESPN? Its making me sick listening to this guy. "It feels good to come out and get it off my chest" I highly doubt he would have admitted to roiding up if he didn't get caught. What a clown.

[chippewastud79]

anybody watching his interview with Peter Gammons on ESPN? Its making me sick listening to this guy. "It feels good to come out and get it off my chest" I highly doubt he would have admitted to roiding up if he didn't get caught. What a clown.

Maybe his apology is forced, but it seems as if he is being fairly upfront with the admission. No smoke and mirrors, no saying he was doing it for an injury, no saying he didn't know it was illegal or didn't know what he was taking. He admits he messed up and that it is all his fault for trying to get a competitive edge. Better than many other athletes who have skated the issue and continue to do the same thing.

[gettysburgfreak]

Maybe his apology is forced, but it seems as if he is being fairly upfront with the admission. No smoke and mirrors, no saying he was doing it for an injury, no saying he didn't know it was illegal or didn't know what he was taking. He admits he messed up and that it is all his fault for trying to get a competitive edge. Better than many other athletes who have skated the issue and continue to do the same thing.


When asked which substances he took he replied he didn't know what he was taking. Give me a break

[Yazzie]

When asked which substances he took he replied he didn't know what he was taking. Give me a break

:tpd: What a joke he is and Gammons (Boston Native) is being soft on him....

I need a drink after watching this Soap Opera :al:al:al

[VirtualSmitty]

anybody watching his interview with Peter Gammons on ESPN? Its making me sick listening to this guy. "It feels good to come out and get it off my chest" I highly doubt he would have admitted to roiding up if he didn't get caught. What a clown.

Interesting statement. The next time you break the law (smoke pot, speed, buy cuban cigars, etc) I expect the first thing you'll do is run straight to the law and admit your guilt, because your a person of such higher morals :r

[chippewastud79]

When asked which substances he took he replied he didn't know what he was taking. Give me a break

He admitted he knew what he was taking was illegal and he was guilty of trusting people by using what they told him to. He also said he didn't know what he had tested positive for so he wasn't going to say what it was. I am not a fan of the Yankees, nor am I a fan of Alex Rodriguez, but I respect him for being fairly upfront about it and owning up to his actions. I realize that Red Sox Nation and a lot of fans will hold this against him for a while, but atleast he came clean and admitted it.

[gettysburgfreak]

He admitted he knew what he was taking was illegal and he was guilty of trusting people by using what they told him to. He also said he didn't know what he had tested positive for so he wasn't going to say what it was. I am not a fan of the Yankees, nor am I a fan of Alex Rodriguez, but I respect him for being fairly upfront about it and owning up to his actions. I realize that Red Sox Nation and a lot of fans will hold this against him for a while, but atleast he came clean and admitted it.

If you look at an earlier post I said I give him credit for coming out and saying he did it. How can you not laugh at him and roll your eyes when he gives a statement such as "I was young, stupid, I was nieve." He had been in the league for 8 years. Its not like he was a rookie looking to prove something. He knew exactly what he was doing.

[icehog3]

well, the guy came out and admitted roid use from 2001-2003. I will give him credit for having the balls to own up to it instead of flat out denying it.


anybody watching his interview with Peter Gammons on ESPN? Its making me sick listening to this guy. "It feels good to come out and get it off my chest" I highly doubt he would have admitted to roiding up if he didn't get caught. What a clown.

Cripes, make up your mind. :rolleyes:

To all so quick to hang the man: "Judge not, lest ye be judged." ;)

[VirtualSmitty]

If you look at an earlier post I said I give him credit for coming out and saying he did it. How can you not laugh at him and roll your eyes when he gives a statement such as "I was young, stupid, I was nieve." He had been in the league for 8 years. Its not like he was a rookie looking to prove something. He knew exactly what he was doing.

I think deep down your really obsessed over A-Rod. I mean, we've been listening to you talk about him ever since you used to go by Stogiefanatic or whatever it was at CS :r

[chippewastud79]

He knew exactly what he was doing.

Yes he likely did, and he also knew it wasn't illegal or get him suspended at the time. He also knew that many other players were doing the same thing for a "competitive edge". He owned up to it and you have to give him credit for that.

[icehog3]

Yes he likely did, and he also knew it wasn't illegal or get him suspended at the time. He also knew that many other players were doing the same thing for a "competitive edge". He owned up to it and you have to give him credit for that.

Absolutely. :2

[gettysburgfreak]

well, the guy came out and admitted roid use from 2001-2003. I will give him credit for having the balls to own up to it instead of flat out denying it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-rodriguez-steroids&prov=ap&type=lgns


:bh

[ScottieM]

Enjoy it while you can Sox fans. There are 103 other names still to be revealed on that list.

[Starscream]

Enjoy it while you can Sox fans. There are 103 other names still to be revealed on that list.

As long as Griffey ain't one of them, then it's not the end of the world for me.

[gettysburgfreak]

I think Griffey is clean, at least I hope to God he is. If not baseball is really going to have a problem on their hands.

[MedicCook]

At this point I think every player in the last 10-15 years has done PEDs at least once in their career.

[ScottieM]

At this point I think every player in the last 10-15 years has done PEDs at least once in their career.

I agree to a point. If I had to guess, 50-60%

[MedicCook]

The one name that scares me coming out is Jeter.

[Starscream]

The one name that scares me coming out is Jeter.

You can't tell by looks alone, but Jeter doesn't have the "look" of a steroid user. But then again, neither do many of the smaller size wrestlers in the WWE who have tested positive through the years.

[MedicCook]

You also have to look at the players that have tested positive the last year have mostly been skinny middle relievers that do not have that roid look. It also takes years of use to get the Bonds look.

[gettysburgfreak]

You can't tell by looks alone, but Jeter doesn't have the "look" of a steroid user. But then again, neither do many of the smaller size wrestlers in the WWE who have tested positive through the years.



He is a pretty big dude, he was 2 feet in front of me at Fenway in 04. Most of the designer PEDs guys are taking now don't give you the Conseco, McGuire look. The stuff A-Rod took did not give him that roided look but he still looked absolutely huge. I have a pic I took of him and Jeter walking side by side in 2004 and A-Rod is way bigger than Jeter

[Yazzie]

Texeira played on that Rangers team as well........

[MedicCook]

The worst part of this is that sumbag Canseco has been proven right yet again.

[gettysburgfreak]

Here are a few pics of A-Rod and Jeter on July 24, 2004

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3691/1202038hu8.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1202038hu8.jpg)

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5540/1202043zf5.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1202043zf5.jpg)

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8849/1202061ob5.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1202061ob5.jpg)

[taltos]

Pudge Rodriguez was also on the team with A-Rod for 2 years. He never seemed to get big but he stayed heathier than many other catchers. All this witch hunting could have been avoided if the Commissioner's Office had kept their word and destroyed the records after getting the statistical data. And once again for you Yankee fans, I do expect that several Red Sox players will be on the list if it is ever released including Nomar.

[MedicCook]

Here are a few pics of A-Rod and Jeter on July 24, 2004

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3691/1202038hu8.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1202038hu8.jpg)

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5540/1202043zf5.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1202043zf5.jpg)

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8849/1202061ob5.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1202061ob5.jpg)

I agree that A-Rod does not have that bulky roid look especially in these pictures.

[ScottieM]

He is a pretty big dude, he was 2 feet in front of me at Fenway in 04. Most of the designer PEDs guys are taking now don't give you the Conseco, McGuire look. The stuff A-Rod took did not give him that roided look but he still looked absolutely huge. I have a pic I took of him and Jeter walking side by side in 2004 and A-Rod is way bigger than Jeter


OK, How about Big Papi? How about Manny? Let's throw Varitek in there too.

[MedicCook]

OK, How about Big Papi? How about Manny?

I have always thought Manny was a roider especially with all his personality issues. Big Papi I think is just a big dude.

[gettysburgfreak]

OK, How about Big Papi? How about Manny? Let's throw Varitek in there too.



Varitek is a freakin monster as well, saw him up close a few times this past season. Its possible hes on something. I agree about Ortiz I think hes just a natural big dude.

[taltos]

I have always thought Manny was a roider especially with all his personality issues. Big Papi I think is just a big dude.I don't know if Manny is bright enough to know which end of the syringe goes in his arm and if you have ever seen him with his shirt off, he is a mound of baby fat. Papi I suspect that he ate his way to present size. Varitek would not surprise me, outside of his elbow injury he has been pretty healthy and caught a whole bunch of games. Schilling would not surprise me either.

[ScottieM]

I have always thought Manny was a roider especially with all his personality issues. Big Papi I think is just a big dude.

I don't know. He's been in decline since that Mitchell report came out.

[MedicCook]

A good way to gauge is who are the players with chronic joint injuries. These guys put on the mass and increase muscles and the tendons & ligaments at the joints fail from the added stress.

[MedicCook]

I would also love it to see Schilling's name on the steroid list. Just for all the smack he talks.

[gettysburgfreak]

I would also love it to see Schilling's name on the steroid list. Just for all the smack he talks.


Schilling is fat as hell, if he was on roids my guess it was when he was in Philly, no way with the Red Sox.

[taltos]

A good way to gauge is who are the players with chronic joint injuries. These guys put on the mass and increase muscles and the tendons & ligaments at the joints fail from the added stress.Being overweight does the same thing to knees which is where Papi has had his major problems.

[VirtualSmitty]

Being overweight does the same thing to knees which is where Papi has had his major problems.

Look at Papis numbers when he played for Minnesota. He picked up off waivers and became a power slugger. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he was juicing too.

[Yazzie]

Schilling is fat as hell, if he was on roids my guess it was when he was in Philly, no way with the Red Sox.


Schilling wrote in his Blog today that he's all for rleasing the list of 103....

[Yazzie]

Look at Papis numbers when he played for Minnesota. He picked up off waivers and became a power slugger. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he was juicing too.

Maybe, but tonight he is not the one crying to Peter Gammons about how stressful life was....:r:r:r

[MedicCook]

Steroids do not always add muscle. They add mass and it is up to the person to excersize and make it muscle or let it become fat.

[VirtualSmitty]

Maybe, but tonight he is not the one crying to Peter Gammons about how stressful life was....:r:r:r

I'm sure he'll have his chance soon enough ;)

[MedicCook]

I still want to know why the Yankees did not bunt on Schilling in 2004?!!?!!?!!? That is more of a tragedy than A-Roid being a juicer.

[Yazzie]

I still want to know why the Yankees did not bunt on Schilling in 2004?!!?!!?!!? That is more of a tragedy than A-Roid being a juicer.


The Bloody sock was a distraction....:r

sorry for the thread jack....Continue the A-Fraud Bashing

[taltos]

Look at Papis numbers when he played for Minnesota. He picked up off waivers and became a power slugger. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he was juicing too.You normally do better research than this. At Minnesota they had a manager and batting coach who wanted to play small ball and have him hit for average. He was allowed to do it his way when Boston picked him up. It is very possible that he did juice but from watching him for most every game since he came here, it does not look like muscle mass, looks like an investment in good food.

[Yazzie]

Papi is a Phat Phuck.....

[MedicCook]

The good thing about A-Roid is the media will probably forget about Joba's DUI.

It will be interesting to watch A-Roid handle the pressure. He will have zero room for failure this year.

[icehog3]

A good way to gauge is who are the players with chronic joint injuries. These guys put on the mass and increase muscles and the tendons & ligaments at the joints fail from the added stress.

Not necessarily true, a lot of athletes recover from tendon and ligament injuries faster when taking anabolic steroids. Long term abuse of anabolics can create ligament injuries when the body absorbs stress above its natural capacity for extended periods, but again in many instances these type of injuries heal faster when taking steroids. Based on that, I don't think the chronic joint injuries are an accurate gauge at all, Ryan.

[Genetic Defect]

Yes he likely did, and he also knew it wasn't illegal or get him suspended at the time. He also knew that many other players were doing the same thing for a "competitive edge". He owned up to it and you have to give him credit for that.

after getting called

[Genetic Defect]

:r:r I'm glad ylou people can tell who uses steroids by looking at them.
freaking gifted you are:rolleyes:

[mosesbotbol]

Don't forget theres probably a whole queue of players that may have taken masking agents when they took the test. Baseball is not alone when it comes to performance enhancing drugs.

I admire A-Rod's response, it was to the point and I bet he'll have a banner season next year as he does not have to worry about Congressional hearings...

[SeanGAR]

Schilling is fat as hell, if he was on roids my guess it was when he was in Philly, no way with the Red Sox.

AP news Flash

Schilling was hitting the philliecheesesteakanone pretty heavily back then according to media reports that will come out today. According to an anonymous source who was team mate back in Philly, Curt Schilling would hide his philliecheesesteakanone in his locker and partake after training sessions. "Sometimes one of the other guys would feed it to him .. others he'd do it himself". Calls to Curt Schilling for a response have not been returned.

[taltos]

AP news Flash

Schilling was hitting the philliecheesesteakanone pretty heavily back then according to media reports that will come out today. According to an anonymous source who was team mate back in Philly, Curt Schilling would hide his philliecheesesteakanone in his locker and partake after training sessions. "Sometimes one of the other guys would feed it to him .. others he'd do it himself". Calls to Curt Schilling for a response have not been returned.He had a clause in his contract last year where he had to keep his weight under control to get paid. I am sympathetic to the weight problem since it affects me as well but I am not a professional athlete.

[Yazzie]

AP news Flash

Schilling was hitting the philliecheesesteakanone pretty heavily back then according to media reports that will come out today. According to an anonymous source who was team mate back in Philly, Curt Schilling would hide his philliecheesesteakanone in his locker and partake after training sessions. "Sometimes one of the other guys would feed it to him .. others he'd do it himself". Calls to Curt Schilling for a response have not been returned.


Hey Man, why don't you go and start another thread. Topic here is A-Fraud :D

[mosesbotbol]

He had a clause in his contract last year where he had to keep his weight under control to get paid. I am sympathetic to the weight problem since it affects me as well but I am not a professional athlete.

Huge reason to take HGH or Test. You can drop weight like no tomorrow with carefully monitored juicing especially HGH. My friend works for a bio-matched hormone suppliment clinic in FL and they can do amazing things. Look at Stallone, he's 63 years old and been taking roids/hgh for 20+ years.

[tenbaseg]

Hey Man, why don't you go and start another thread. Topic here is A-Fraud :D

I prefer A-Roid. :ss

[King James]

saw A-Rod's ESPN interview this morning. I thought he was somewhat honest...but avoided alot of questions that I'm sure he knows the answers too.

[Yazzie]

saw A-Rod's ESPN interview this morning. I thought he was somewhat honest...but avoided alot of questions that I'm sure he knows the answers too.

Yes and as much as I respect Gammons, he is a huge softie when it comes to interviews......Costas would have dug the knife in a bit more....

[taltos]

Hope that Rome gets a shot at A-Roid. Rome is a jerk but he does not go softball when he senses blood in the water.

[King James]

Yes and as much as I respect Gammons, he is a huge softie when it comes to interviews......Costas would have dug the knife in a bit more....

yah....he got let off relatively easily

[mosesbotbol]

Whomever interviews A-Rod, A-Rod will have final say on whether it is released and how it is edited.

A-Rod is not obliged to do any interviews and he certainly does not need the money.

[icehog3]

Hope that Rome gets a shot at A-Roid. Rome is a jerk but he does not go softball when he senses blood in the water.

I hope A-Rod goes "Jim Everett" on that punk's azz........

[Yazzie]

Whomever interviews A-Rod, A-Rod will have final say on whether it is released and how it is edited.

A-Rod is not obliged to do any interviews and he certainly does not need the money.

I'll be he wishes he never did the one with Katie Couric......:D

[taltos]

I hope A-Rod goes "Jim Everett" on that punk's azz........
That was one of the funniest things that I ever saw but it got me hooked on Rome.

[icehog3]

That was one of the funniest things that I ever saw but it got me hooked on Rome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOVxitMy47c

[MedicCook]

You know that he will now be required to talk to the Fed's to see if he can help the case against Bonds and now possibly Clemens.

[hotreds]

Bottom line: Very sad.

[white_s2k]

LOL

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2009/02/08/2009-02-08_eating_270m_worth_it_for_the_yankees_to_-2.html

Seriously?

[gettysburgfreak]

Hope that Rome gets a shot at A-Roid. Rome is a jerk but he does not go softball when he senses blood in the water.

Rome is the fukin man

[icehog3]

Rome is the fukin man

Opinions may vary....I think he is a TV tough guy who needs his azz handed to him. ;)

[VirtualSmitty]

Opinions may vary....I think he is a TV tough guy who needs his azz handed to him. ;)

:tpd: I can't stand that guy

Looks like Miguel Tejada is in some trouble!

[chippewastud79]

Opinions may vary....I think he is a TV tough guy who needs his azz handed to him. ;)

:tpd: Just a guy with a chip on his shoulder about athletics. I can't stand to watch him talk about sports :2

Like these a lot better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s8BZjcP3qU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFg4mtJMlmU&feature=related

[icehog3]

:tpd: I can't stand that guy

Total tool from where I stand. :2

[VirtualSmitty]

Total tool from where I stand. :2

http://jimromesucks.ytmnd.com/


:D

[taltos]

:tpd: I can't stand that guy

Looks like Miguel Tejada is in some trouble!If guilty, Tejada could be deported as a drug abuser and as someone who comitted perjury. His work visa in a priviledge, not a right.

[chippewastud79]

If guilty, Tejada could be deported as a drug abuser and as someone who comitted perjury. His work visa in a priviledge, not a right.

Apparently Tejada has plea bargained to a misdemeanor, so it looks like his visa will not be in jeopardy. :rolleyes:

[icehog3]

Apparently Tejada has plea bargained to a misdemeanor, so it looks like his visa will not be in jeopardy. :rolleyes:

I wanna plea bargain to a misdemeanor!! :mad:

[Yazzie]

Yeah, where's my bailout.....:r

[chippewastud79]

I wanna plea bargain to a misdemeanor!! :mad:

Doesn't make sense to me either :confused:


or did I say something wrong?

[icehog3]

Doesn't make sense to me either :confused:


or did I say something wrong?

Just an overtired sense of humor...or lack there of! :)

[pnoon]

Just an overtired sense of humor...

Or a big ole douchebag. :D :r

[Genetic Defect]

Or a big ole douchebag. :D :r

:tpd:

[icehog3]

:tpd:

:fu

[Genetic Defect]

:fu

Was ole pushing it? :r

[icehog3]

Was ole pushing it? :r

Nope, just the :tpd: without a :)

[Genetic Defect]

Nope, just the :tpd: without a :)

:r I cant edit it now :(

[icehog3]

:r I cant edit it now :(

I will forgive you....and A-Rod. ;)

[MedicCook]

A-Rod better hit 60 HRs this year and give a blood test after each one to prove to everyone he can did it without the roids.

[Genetic Defect]

I will forgive you....and A-Rod. ;)

forgive me, screw a rod. :D

[icehog3]

forgive me, screw a rod. :D

Not my type. ;)

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

[Genetic Defect]

Not my type. ;)

Judge not, lest ye be judged.
:r I knew after submitting that statement didn't look right. and the jury hanged me a long time ago.;)

[icehog3]

:r I knew after submitting that statement didn't look right. and the jury hanged me a long time ago.;)

Most people are quieter after a good hanging. ;)

[Genetic Defect]

Most people are quieter after a good hanging. ;)

most people are weakened by there defeats :ss

[mosesbotbol]

Do you want to deport someone who pays that much in income taxes and donates a lot of money? I can think of a million plus others that I would rather deport before Tejada.

[VirtualSmitty]

Do you want to deport someone who pays that much in income taxes and donates a lot of money? I can think of a million plus others that I would rather deport before Tejada.

Is is name even Tejada? Didn't he lie about his age and real name and get caught before last season?

[gettysburgfreak]

Is is name even Tejada? Didn't he lie about his age and real name and get caught before last season?


It was his age he lied about

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5708800.html

[VirtualSmitty]

It was his age he lied about

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5708800.html

I think there was an issue with his name.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?id=3357337

I remember hearing about it in the news, but never heard what it was.

[jamesb3]

Wow! What a suprise!:rolleyes:

[taltos]

Most people are quieter after a good hanging. ;)Always wanted to be well hung but at my age now, I wouldn't remember what to do wih it.:r:r:r

[gettysburgfreak]

A-Rod gives a press conference today at 1:30. My guess is he will face some tough questions.

[Genetic Defect]

Always wanted to be well hung but at my age now, I wouldn't remember what to do wih it.:r:r:r

that beats still having it shrinkwrapped still :lv

[MedicCook]

He did not impress me with some of his answers and the whole charity spin was rather lame.

[Yazzie]

He did not impress me with some of his answers and the whole charity spin was rather lame.

wow, I thought the Yankee fans would have thought it was good. I watched the whole thing....His cousin was injecting him

[Genetic Defect]

wow, I thought the Yankee fans would have thought it was good. I watched the whole thing....His cousin was injecting him

I like how he didn't accept responsibility and pushes blame elsewhere, my cousin this my cousin that.... "hey cuz come here I want to inject this stuff into you, I don't know what it is":rolleyes:

[MedicCook]

wow, I thought the Yankee fans would have thought it was good. I watched the whole thing....His cousin was injecting him

I am a Yankee fan and I will root for him like I have since 2004 because him doing good helps the Yankees, but to me he did not come over sincere and the whole getting emotional crap was a bad act. To mee it looked like he was trying to cry but he could not cry on command.

[VirtualSmitty]

He did not impress me with some of his answers and the whole charity spin was rather lame.

Agreed, it didn't exactly seem sincere. I was pretty surprised about how blunt he was however, he gave a lot of information out during the Q/A.

[tobii3]

I am a Yankee fan and I will root for him like I have since 2004 because him doing good helps the Yankees...

So, how do you feel about an SF Fan rooting for Barry Bonds??

Yeah......

By your logic, the entire Yankees line up should be doing 'roids so they can win, right??