Beetles and Cello?

[Chompers]

I know I could have just searched on Google, but I trust you guys more than Google.:ss

But anyway, here's my question-
Can cello stop beetles from moving from cigar to cigar or can the beetles just eat right through the cello?

[md4958]

They can just eat right through it... ive experienced this first hand

[Mikepd]

And not only can they eat right through cello, they will eat throguh metal tubos too. If you have a beetle problem, time to freeze your sticks.

[Chompers]

Oh, I don't have beetles(and hope I never do), I just wanted to know.

Those little bastards scare me!

[acruce]

I believe now days most cigars are frozen at the factories.

[SilverFox]

I know I could have just searched on Google, but I trust you guys more than Google.:ss

But anyway, here's my question-
Can cello stop beetles from moving from cigar to cigar or can the beetles just eat right through the cello?

Right through cello and right through non spanish cedar boxes, I have heard of them eating through tubos but have not experienced this.

I believe now days most cigars are frozen at the factories.

A few things to be concerned about from that perspective. If they are frozen at the factory (heavy on the if) they still go to the vendor or to the B&M humi or to your friends humi, plenty of time to contact beetles.

Also if you think about a box of cigars it has a great insulative factor, now think of a crate of cigars in the factory, how long would it take to get the b boxes in the middle down to a sufficiently low temp to freeze the sticks. Also as far as I have seen and this is more in reference to Cuban sticks Freezingat factory is not an industry wide standard

[md4958]

A few things to be concerned about from that perspective. If they are frozen at the factory (heavy on the if) they still go to the vendor or to the B&M humi or to your friends humi, plenty of time to contact beetles.

Also if you think about a box of cigars it has a great insulative factor, now think of a crate of cigars in the factory, how long would it take to get the b boxes in the middle down to a sufficiently low temp to freeze the sticks. Also as far as I have seen and this is more in reference to Cuban sticks Freezingat factory is not an industry wide standard

:tpd:

[Raralith]

I've seen pictures of tubos full of beetles or the dusty remains of a cigar inside tubos, but I've never seen a bettle eat through aluminum. And that doesn't seem very likely either.

[Mark]

And not only can they eat right through cello, they will eat throguh metal tubos too. If you have a beetle problem, time to freeze your sticks.

Seriously? Thats B-A! Do you have pictures of this? I want to see that!

[Cyanide]

While nature has a great potential to foil human-made solutions (such as aluminum tubes), I think it might be pretty close to impossible to accept that beetles could compromise metal. Insects' exoskeletons are made of chiton, which is not much different from the keratin that makes up your hair and nails. Of course, this is laid down in a format more akin to your fingernails. I could see you being able to dent an aluminum tube with chiton, but this would require a force pretty much being applied perpendicular to the surface of the metal sheet. Considering the form of a metal tube, applying that force from inside of the tube would, especially in a scissoring fashion that you would expect from a beetle's pincer-like mouth peices, and I don't think the proper forces could be applied. Further, I don't think the proper anchoring could be accomplished to ensure the beetle doesn't push itself away from the tube as it attempts to puncture the wall would be present. And, there is probably more than enough tobacco inside the tube to keep the beetle happy and not willing to expend that much energy to begin with.

Now, say that tube had a crack in it. Then the beetle could get a "pincer" outside the tube maybe, and then could use the above-mentioned scissor action to continue to carve out bits of aluminum. I could "buy that". I think the tubes would have to have been previously damaged in order for a beetle to be able to further compromise it.

But that is just my own armchair speculation.

Cheers

Cyanide

[Sauer Grapes]

Knock on wood that the only beetles I've ever seen were in a shipment that never made it into my humidor (inspected upon arrival).

However, I like to think that cello would at least slow them a tiny bit from spreading. I mean, I know that they can and will eat right through it, but I'd think that they would take a bit longer than non celloed cigars.

[Chompers]

What if the cigars were cedar wrapped?
I heard beetles hated cedar

[theonlybear4CORT]

If they hated cedar then they wouldn't be in a humidor eating up cigars in the first place.

[Chompers]

I meant as in they don't want to eat it or chew through it.

[Pat1075]

beetles can and will eat right through cello and bands. My experience is that they only respond to freezing. Luckily they never made it into my humi Any suspicious sticks just sit in a ziploc with a boveda. I was reading about them they also like canvas so, well art museums hate them too.

[bobarian]

Cello doesnt slow down a tobacco beetle any more than the wrapper on your cigars. Cello is short for cellulose, a vegetable product. Tobacco beetles also eat paper. Aluminum? I dont think so. :rolleyes: Freezing at the factory will not prevent future infestations it only kills those larvae, eggs or beetles present at the factory.

[Don Fernando]

Can cello stop beetles from moving from cigar to cigar

no


or can the beetles just eat right through the cello?

yes

[totallytentative]

Beetles eating through foil pouches I can see (and actually have with their almost identical cereal-eating relatives), but no way through solid metal or even acrylic tubos. Maybe this thing got started by someone not understanding or mixing up an actual tubo with something else, like a foil wrapper or sleeve?

[LkyLindy]

Yikes-
Even the tubo isn't safe Aiyeeeeeeeeeee

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2206/2511649255_6f3a4f373b_o.jpg

[greenwit]

Yikes-
Even the tubo isn't safe Aiyeeeeeeeeeee

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2206/2511649255_6f3a4f373b_o.jpg

Nor are brick walls.....

http://bluesoul.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/872447_brick_wall_3.jpg

....they'll eat through anything that's not moving. :eek:

[Java]

Speaking of, I noticed I had some beetles breaking into a box of my Esteban Carerras, and it made me a sad panda. Had to put em in deep freeze for a few days. Doesn't look like they got too far. I will have to finish what they started. :O

[acarr]

Speaking of, I noticed I had some beetles breaking into a box of my Esteban Carerras, and it made me a sad panda. Had to put em in deep freeze for a few days. Doesn't look like they got too far. I will have to finish what they started. :O

I would be curious to know if they make the complexity of the smoke any different. Sorry to hear about your bug problem.

[RJK18]

While nature has a great potential to foil human-made solutions (such as aluminum tubes), I think it might be pretty close to impossible to accept that beetles could compromise metal. Insects' exoskeletons are made of chiton, which is not much different from the keratin that makes up your hair and nails. Of course, this is laid down in a format more akin to your fingernails. I could see you being able to dent an aluminum tube with chiton, but this would require a force pretty much being applied perpendicular to the surface of the metal sheet. Considering the form of a metal tube, applying that force from inside of the tube would, especially in a scissoring fashion that you would expect from a beetle's pincer-like mouth peices, and I don't think the proper forces could be applied. Further, I don't think the proper anchoring could be accomplished to ensure the beetle doesn't push itself away from the tube as it attempts to puncture the wall would be present. And, there is probably more than enough tobacco inside the tube to keep the beetle happy and not willing to expend that much energy to begin with.

Now, say that tube had a crack in it. Then the beetle could get a "pincer" outside the tube maybe, and then could use the above-mentioned scissor action to continue to carve out bits of aluminum. I could "buy that". I think the tubes would have to have been previously damaged in order for a beetle to be able to further compromise it.

But that is just my own armchair speculation.

Cheers

Cyanide

You lost me at "chiton"

[theonlybear4CORT]

I meant as in they don't want to eat it or chew through it.

I just re-read my post and it wasn't my intention to sound like @$$. But I highly doubt cedar will do anything so stop the beetles from eating peoples cigars,but this is just my opinion.

[lenguamor]

Freeze EVERYTHING, freeze it LONG and freeze it WELL.