Vintage Vuelta Abajo

[tzaddi]

I was recently gifted a fine selection of cigars (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8345) by Scott Shilala (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/member.php?u=261), many of you know of his reputation for generosity and ingenuity.

One of the cigars, the Flor Extra Fina passed through Scott's hands via Joe, lenguamor. (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/member.php?u=451)

Scott writes, "I can only imagine a handful of people that might enjoy the opportunity to try something like this in a way that I'd hope they would. I think you'll have a lot of fun burning that old thing up, and I think you'll be able to see it from a unique perspective that truly does the experience justice.… If you' do one thing for me, please don't delay in smoking that old rocket. Carpe Diem, brother."

It just so happens that as the webmaster of the local cigar club website I had recently added a section called "Grindstone Vintage" (http://grindstoneclub.com/Vintage/index.html), featuring photos that I have scanned and restored. Several of these are photos of the Golden Eagle Cigar Store in Redding with John Bartosh, owner and one of the original Grindstone Cigar club founders standing proudly in his shop. John purchased the shop in 1907.

http://grindstoneclub.com/Vintage/Images/20.jpg
That's John on the left, he was a roller at the shop when he was a boy.

So when I received my weekly email notifying me that the Friday gathering of the Grindstone Cigar Club was "on" I responded with the following.

Gentlemen,

I was recently gifted a group of cigars that included a Cuban sold between 1910-1917. For those of you that have viewed the Grindstone web page titled Vintage you might have noticed the old photos on the Golden Eagle Cigar Store in Redding with John Bartosh standing proudly in his shop. Although a quick scan of the counter does not reveal the Sunkist brand this gift when lit will create a smokey bridge to those early days of the Golden Eagle Cigar Store and John Bartosh.

If all is in order won't you please join me for a puff of this extreme vintage cigar during the early part of our next Grindstone Club gathering?

Sunkist Brand, private-labeled for Chapin Grocery in Springfield Mass. They are foil-wrapped and handmade with Cuban tobacco from the Vuelta Abajo region, where the finest tobacco in the world grows.

The following set of photos share that gathering of cigar lovers and the fulfillment of a 100 year old promise.

But first let me provide a small review of this cigar that had journeyed far and waited so long to go up in smoke.

The initial pre-light aroma was one of cardboard and dry basement. This mild beauty had that look you sometimes see in a much older person's eyes, that tells you that in their day…

Once we got past the first half inch of the cigar the flavor had strained hints of toasted bread. It was not until the last inch and a half did some real flavor make it to the party. Those last few draws had smoked mocha/coffee going on.

Let the following photos tell the rest of the story.

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[tzaddi]

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[MedicCook]

Thanks for the pictures. BTW I love the skulls & roses shirt.

[tzaddi]

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So the remains will rest encapsulated as a memory of a promise made by a seed planted so many years ago and fulfilled by many, many hands. :)

[tzaddi]

Thanks for the pictures. BTW I love the skulls & roses shirt.

My sister-in law made it for me, custom. I even got to pick out the buttons :)

I apologize for the excess of photos but IMHO such a cigar and all involved warrant it. :)

[MedicCook]

The pictures are great. I love how perfect and neat the boxes are stacked in the B&W photo.

[shilala]

I'm so happy the cigar was a hit.
I can't tell you how happy I was that your old picture work and website update coincided with the arrival of the cigar. That's infinately cool. Goes to show that nothing in God's world happens by accident. :)
The pictures of the wrapper really show how gorgeous it really is. The cigar itself was absolutely beautiful. I hadn't seen it (obviously) and I'd not imagined it would be even remotely that pretty.
Did the guys think it was cool?
I'm not surprised it wasn't much in the flavor department. I'm not a fan of aged smokes at all, but the old girls I've smoked have definately been a unique experience. Certainly worthwhile to at least try it out.
Thank You for smoking that thing, Richard. The pictures and the story have honestly made me as happy as a guy can get. :)

[tzaddi]

I'm so happy the cigar was a hit.
I can't tell you how happy I was that your old picture work and website update coincided with the arrival of the cigar. That's infinately cool. Goes to show that nothing in God's world happens by accident. :)
The pictures of the wrapper really show how gorgeous it really is. The cigar itself was absolutely beautiful. I hadn't seen it (obviously) and I'd not imagined it would be even remotely that pretty.
Did the guys think it was cool?
I'm not surprised it wasn't much in the flavor department. I'm not a fan of aged smokes at all, but the old girls I've smoked have definately been a unique experience. Certainly worthwhile to at least try it out.
Thank You for smoking that thing, Richard. The pictures and the story have honestly made me as happy as a guy can get. :)

The guys all thought it was super cool, what with the club history. I was the hero for a day. Thanks Scott, the circle is complete. :)

[HK3-]

Excellent photos and a great looking cigar! :tu

[shilala]

The guys all thought it was super cool, what with the club history. I was the hero for a day. Thanks Scott, the circle is complete. :)
Even better than I hoped.
Thanks, buddy. :)

[bobarian]

Great story Richard. The pics and background bring the entire experience up a notch. Thanks for sharing with us all. :tu

[Skywalker]

Very nice photos and commentary!!!

That is awesomely fantastic!!!

Thanks Richard!!!


BTW - Was that Jason taking a puff in the photo?

[tzaddi]

Very nice photos and commentary!!!

That is awesomely fantastic!!!

Thanks Richard!!!


BTW - Was that Jason taking a puff in the photo?

The one and only Jason Dell. :tu Now see if you can identify those blurry figures in the background.:r

[Mugen910]

thx for sharing bro!

[lenguamor]

Wow! :ss

You did the cigar justice much better than I could have hoped to, sharing it with friends like you did.

Great thread, great pics and I'm glad you enjoyed it. These are history now, all gone or in the collections of other brothers.

PS: I did see an empty box of these recently; it did not have the Chapin Grocery imprint, so apparently Sunkist did manufacture these for sale as stand-alone product.

BTW, that pic of the old cigar store blew me away. Can you imagine having just one of each of the boxes of cigars on display there? :D

[massphatness]

Just fabulous, Richard. Thanks for the wonderful pics and great story.

[Scottw]

Simply amazing review!! Thank you.

[tzaddi]

Wow! :ss

You did the cigar justice much better than I could have hoped to, sharing it with friends like you did.

Great thread, great pics and I'm glad you enjoyed it. These are history now, all gone or in the collections of other brothers.

PS: I did see an empty box of these recently; it did not have the Chapin Grocery imprint, so apparently Sunkist did manufacture these for sale as stand-alone product.

BTW, that pic of the old cigar store blew me away. Can you imagine having just one of each of the boxes of cigars on display there? :D

Thanks to your generosity passed through Scott that cigar is now a part of history.

Here are a couple more from that collection.

http://grindstoneclub.com/Vintage/Images/23.jpg

http://grindstoneclub.com/Vintage/Images/22.jpg


Here is one of John Bartosh later in life as the store was winding down.
In January 1959 John J. Bartosh locked the door of his Golden Eagle cigar, hung up a "closed" sign and ended 51 years in business at the same stand.
For seven years before he bought the store, Bartosh worked for its previous proprietor, John W. Potts, who opened the store in 1888.

http://grindstoneclub.com/Vintage/Images/25.jpg

[Skywalker]

Makes me wish I could go back in time and smoke what they were smoking back then!!!

[lenguamor]

Oh, that second set has a lot greater detail; you can see a lot of the brand labels on the boxes in the display case.

You know what surprises me, is how many of those brands were Italian cigars; Toscanos or Sigarettos. They might have been made in Italy, or made here with Italian tobacco, or manufactured here from domestic tobacco - but in the rough, Italian style.

It just surprises me from the standpoint of how little demand there is now for cigars from that era in that style, compared to Clear Havanas and other domestically-made cigars; yet back then, they seemed to be quite popular.

[tzaddi]

Oh, that second set has a lot greater detail; you can see a lot of the brand labels on the boxes in the display case.

You know what surprises me, is how many of those brands were Italian cigars; Toscanos or Sigarettos. They might have been made in Italy, or made here with Italian tobacco, or manufactured here from domestic tobacco - but in the rough, Italian style.

It just surprises me from the standpoint of how little demand there is now for cigars from that era in that style, compared to Clear Havanas and other domestically-made cigars; yet back then, they seemed to be quite popular.

Yes, not many blenders include the Italian leaf these days. I have heard Ozenger discuss it before.

If you are interested I can arrange for you to have an even higher resolution image of some of the photos I have posted here (PM me). One of the members of the cigar club sat next to me at the computer as we carefully examined the photos, identifying the brands. This is his assigned task for his initiation into the club.

This shop was also a rolling factory as this photo that includes John Bartosh indicates.

http://grindstoneclub.com/Vintage/Images/21.jpg
This photo was taken on the same day as the very first one in the post.

This shop received Havana leaf to roll their own cigars as this local newspaper ad indicates.

http://grindstoneclub.com/Vintage/Thumbnails/19.jpg

Historically it is important to note the racism implied by this ad. It was a dark time in this countries history when at the Federal level of government we had the Chinese Exclusion Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act_(United_States)), forbidding the immigration of the Chinese.

Potts was the owner before Bartosh… and so concludes are history lesson for this morning :)

[Jay Hemingway]

would love to try one of those foil wrapped cigars! :D

[shilala]

would love to try one of those foil wrapped cigars! :D
Doesn't look like there's any more to be had anywhere on the planet.
Check Joe's sales. He always has awesome super old stuff for sale. I still have a couple 100 year old Betsy Ross' that I'm gonna smoke with a buddy this spring.
I might have to go Joe shopping myself...
:D

[lenguamor]

Doesn't look like there's any more to be had anywhere on the planet.
Check Joe's sales. He always has awesome super old stuff for sale. I still have a couple 100 year old Betsy Ross' that I'm gonna smoke with a buddy this spring.
I might have to go Joe shopping myself...
:D

Back when I acquired these, I was flush and could have bought as many as were available; but only that one box was.

I'd hate to tell you what I paid for these, though. :rolleyes: Let's just say they were dear.

I am posting some "new" old sticks up by tomorrow morning - keep an eye out.

[Jay Hemingway]

Doesn't look like there's any more to be had anywhere on the planet.


aaawww man...guess i'll just have to suffer and smoke these. :D

[HK3-]

aaawww man...guess i'll just have to suffer and smoke these. :D

Damn, are those for me? :r I guess that's what they call dunhills? :confused::D


Nice sticks Jay. Which ones are those and how do they smoke?

[shilala]

aaawww man...guess i'll just have to suffer and smoke these. :D
I need one of those for my displayador.
Wanna trade? :D

[G G]

Enjoyed this thread, super guys.