La Méthode de Jacques Puisais

[eldondo]

Some years ago there was an article at a German board (it reappeared some days ago) which described a method of lighting up a cigar (which was published before in the "Havanoscope" in '99):

La Méthode de Jacques Puisais
It describes that Mr. J. Puisais, director of the french institute for taste, thinks that due to the heat of the flame and the difference of temperature between foot and head of the cigar while lighting up a cutted cigar there will be a suction caused by the stack effect and the accruing fumes will be partly sucked into the cigar. In his opinion this will influence the taste of the cigar strongly negative. His recommendation is to cut the cigar AFTER lighting up and to blow through the cigar before you take the first draw, to remove all "impurities" from it.

What do you think about it? Do you have any experience with this method?

Heiko

[Don Fernando]

I never heard of this

[SmokeyNL]

Only one way to find out, give it a try and let us know

[eldondo]

I tested this theorie with two Bolivar Petit Corona.

My sense of taste connoted me that the cigar that has been cutted before lighting up had some biting tastes in the beginning... ok, it tasted as I know it from the experience. I really recognized it after I lighted up the second one uncutted and blew through it before the first draw. The taste was much more "smooth"... and in this context you saw that the other one was more biting....

I lighted both cigars with a soft lighter flame (no jet flame) and took a long time to set it on fire....

I hope others will try it too and share their experiences with us....

Gruss Heiko

[68TriShield]

I have heard this and do plan on trying this method.

[wayner123]

So I had read about this method on another board when looking for "taste" techniques. I searched and found the same info was posted over here, so I'll continue my thoughts here.

For a while now I knew there was something funky about how the first 3rd or even half of my cigar was not tasting quite like the last 2/3 rd's or second half. It was a charring taste that had me rank some cigars lower than I might have. So in my ongoing study of taste I ran across the method the OP has listed, the "Puisais method" I guess it can be called. The first time I lit a cigar this way, I noticed that right away the same cigar which had tasted charred or even bitter before now tasted like the last half did.

Now I wondered if this was a one time phenomenon and decided I wouldn't post my results till I had tried it with a good number of familiar smokes and repeated the results. I feel I can now say throughout a variety of cigars and lighting in this method all have tasted MUCH better. To try and put it into words would be to say; If you were to rank a smoke a solid 7 due to the last half tasting so good where as the first half didn't, with this method you would then start at 7 and build after that point. I had particular troubles with Punch CC's tasting like burnt oak leaves for the first half. Now after using this method, they taste "on" from the first puff.

Granted this method takes a great deal longer time to start a cigar, but imo the results are far worth the effort. I will most likely be using this this method from here on out (unless I just want to get a stick burning IE; at a herf so I can be next in line at cornhole :r )

I want to add, I haven't tried this yet with a torch flame. I have only used soft flames (ST Dupont or matches). But I will be experimenting to see if a torch flame will make a difference. I'll post my results soon enough.

[Snake Hips]

I've heard of this before, but not for any scientific reasons - I had just heard some guys do it this way. I guess I'll have to try it. I'm not a "taste expert" or anything, but I'm willing to give it a shot. Though I've always thought the first puff was usually the tastiest. But maybe that's just my oddballity.

[SmokinApe]

Kinda off topic but.... I have found that the initial puffs taste better if the cigar is lit using a soft flame ISO a hard flame... Less "charred" and "harsh"

[Bubba - NJ]

It makes sense so I'll have to give it a try .

[Footbag]

I've heard this and tried it... I almost burned my wrist in the process, but I didn't notice much of a difference in flavor. I didn't do it to both cigars at one time, so it may be worth another test. That said, my lighting method doesn't involve a draw until it's fully lit, so I agree with the concept but may not take it to that level.

[Zanaspus]

Though I hate the magazine, I always thought this video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOem4JswMCk

Was sort of the epic cigar lighting video.

[kayaker]

Though I hate the magazine, I always thought this video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOem4JswMCk

Was sort of the epic cigar lighting video.

I have heard of this before and I believe it was from this vid on the CA site.

One disadvantage of this method is not being able to test the draw before lighting up. Is that a big deal? IDK. Anyone?

[Footbag]

I have heard of this before and I believe it was from this vid on the CA site.

One disadvantage of this method is not being able to test the draw before lighting up. Is that a big deal? IDK. Anyone?

Good point! If I get a plugged cigar, I'll throw it back in the humidor or a dry box.

[wayner123]

I have heard of this before and I believe it was from this vid on the CA site.

One disadvantage of this method is not being able to test the draw before lighting up. Is that a big deal? IDK. Anyone?

I too thought this would be a problem and so far have not run into yet. But if I do, I have a really nice draw poker to fix the problem.

I do want to add that while the "3 match method" is a nice one, it's not the same as the "Puisais method". The main importance of the Puisais is in the blowing smoke out first. The 3 match just claims to not cut before hand but doesn't address the issue of blowing out first. This is key in using this method. Not only should you wait to cut it till the end is properly lit, but the first puff or two should be blown out, instead of in.

In my own method I have combined the two:

1. Light cigar foot with a soft flame. I use about 3-4 matches and in between each new match, I wave the cigar around helping to "stoke the fire".

2. After I am satisfied with the foot and the cherry on it, I then cut the head and then blow out 1 or 2 good times, just as you would do when purging a cigar (minus the lighting of the gases).

3. Smoke and enjoy. :ss

[Zanaspus]

I have heard of this before and I believe it was from this vid on the CA site.

One disadvantage of this method is not being able to test the draw before lighting up. Is that a big deal? IDK. Anyone?
If you can afford to be shooting a video at Davidoff NY, then a bad draw means chuck it and light another. :r:r

[mikehicks456]

This peaked my interest so I tried the method listed in the first post. My test cigar was a small one, a Partagas Spanish Rosado Santiago (4.18 X 36). The difference in taste for first inch was obvious. Less charred flavors and more of the cinnamon I’m used to. I smoke a lot of these cigars and was surprised by the difference. I will definitely use this method more often. YMMV.

[akumushi]

I have used a very similar method for a few months, where I cut the cigar, blow out through it like through a straw, then take a pre-light draw to test it and taste it. I then toast the cigar to light it, then I blow out again once more before finally taking a drag. This method seems to cut down on the harshness and has the added bonus of allowing me to test the draw and get a pre-light taste. I tried the Puisais method and found it to be a tiny bit more smooth than my normal method, with the only draw back to it would be having to adjust the draw after lighting the cigar. I think I will continue to experiment with the Puisais Method with cigars that I know well and know what to expect from in the draw department, while I will use my own method for sticks that I suspect will have some draw issues.

[paris1129]

I look forward to trying this method out.

[Doctorossi]

I'm firmly in the skeptical camp on this one.

[wayner123]

I'm firmly in the skeptical camp on this one.

What is it about this method in which you are skeptical about?

[14holestogie]

I have used a very similar method for a few months, where I cut the cigar, blow out through it like through a straw, then take a pre-light draw to test it and taste it. I then toast the cigar to light it, then I blow out again once more before finally taking a drag. This method seems to cut down on the harshness and has the added bonus of allowing me to test the draw and get a pre-light taste. I tried the Puisais method and found it to be a tiny bit more smooth than my normal method, with the only draw back to it would be having to adjust the draw after lighting the cigar. I think I will continue to experiment with the Puisais Method with cigars that I know well and know what to expect from in the draw department, while I will use my own method for sticks that I suspect will have some draw issues.


If you would use a punch on the cigar and first test the draw, could you not then cover the punched hole with your thumb while lighting? Wouldn't that have the same result as lighting an uncut cigar, but also solve the pesky "Will it draw" worry? Just a thought. :)

[Kreth]

What is it about this method in which you are skeptical about?
I can't help thinking you must look a little goofy waving your cigar around at a herf. Do you do it gently like a lighter during Free Bird, or is it more the Pete Townshend windmill style? :r
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[The Poet]

I've never tried this, so have no valid input plus or minus. Yet it does remind me a bit of wine tasters, who swirl their swill around, smacking lips like a landed carp, then spitting out the dross.

Hey, do you think cigars may taste best if you never light them at all?

[Scottw]

I've tried it and didn't notice much of a difference.

[Salvelinus]

I've never tried this, so have no valid input plus or minus. Yet it does remind me a bit of wine tasters, who swirl their swill around, smacking lips like a landed carp, then spitting out the dross.

Hey, do you think cigars may taste best if you never light them at all?

Just think about the price per puff it could finally make davidoffs affordable :D

[wayner123]

I can't help thinking you must look a little goofy waving your cigar around at a herf. Do you do it gently like a lighter during Free Bird, or is it more the Pete Townshend windmill style? :r
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If looking cool at herf's is what's it about, then I have been doing it wrong. :D


I've tried it and didn't notice much of a difference.

Much of a difference in what regards?

[wayner123]

If you would use a punch on the cigar and first test the draw, could you not then cover the punched hole with your thumb while lighting? Wouldn't that have the same result as lighting an uncut cigar, but also solve the pesky "Will it draw" worry? Just a thought. :)

Some people claim that if they pre-cut and then place their thumb over the cut end, it has the same effect. I personally have tried this, but it doesn't quite taste the same to me.

[Doctorossi]

What is it about this method in which you are skeptical about?

I'm very doubtful that the quantity of unburned fuel residue that could possibly pass a charred foot could ever be detectable/identifiable in a cigar's flavor, to begin with. If you are using a quality flame, the amount of this material is miniscule in the first place. Secondly, if you aren't drawing on the cigar as you light it, the described temperature differential is the only competitor against the dense pack of tobacco in the challenge of keeping that residue out of the length of the cigar. Do you ever notice how you don't get smoke drifting from the head until you draw on it?

I consider myself to have a pretty subtle tongue and I just can't imagine how any flavor some are believing to be this product possibly can be. Unless you are using an extremely poor execution of the better conventional lighting methods (say, lighting your cigar with a burning newspaper), there is simply too little fuel char and too much variance from stick to stick, let alone from smoking experience to smoking experience (ambient temperature, wind, what you had for lunch) for this kind of distinction to be notable.

This is just my opinion and my experience, though. If someone can make a convincing case to me, I'd love to hear it.

[Skywalker]

Sometime I do this by accident!!! I light the cigar and forget to cut it, than after I cut it I have to purge it because the thing was lit and... oh you get the picture!!!;)

[Doctorossi]

Sometime I do this by accident!!! I light the cigar and forget to cut it, than after I cut it I have to purge it because the thing was lit and... oh you get the picture!!!;)

Are you one of those guys who sometimes sticks the lit end in your mouth, too? :r ;s

[wayner123]

I'm very doubtful that the quantity of unburned fuel residue that could possibly pass a charred foot could ever be detectable/identifiable in a cigar's flavor, to begin with. If you are using a quality flame, the amount of this material is miniscule in the first place. Secondly, if you aren't drawing on the cigar as you light it, the described temperature differential is the only competitor against the dense pack of tobacco in the challenge of keeping that residue out of the length of the cigar. Do you ever notice how you don't get smoke drifting from the head until you draw on it?

I consider myself to have a pretty subtle tongue and I just can't imagine how any flavor some are believing to be this product possibly can be. Unless you are using an extremely poor execution of the better conventional lighting methods (say, lighting your cigar with a burning newspaper), there is simply too little fuel char and too much variance from stick to stick, let alone from smoking experience to smoking experience (ambient temperature, wind, what you had for lunch) for this kind of distinction to be notable.

This is just my opinion and my experience, though. If someone can make a convincing case to me, I'd love to hear it.

Thanks for the well thought out reply. Have you tried this method?

[Doctorossi]

Have you tried this method?

No, and I certainly will. Maybe I'll light two of the same stick right after each other (one conventionally and one this way) and then try two more of the same stick the next day, with the order reversed.

One of my favorite things about being a cigar nerd is that I get to mess around with all this stuff, skeptic or not.

[Skywalker]

Are you one of those guys who sometimes sticks the lit end in your mouth, too? :r ;s

It happens!!!:r

[Scottw]

If looking cool at herf's is what's it about, then I have been doing it wrong. :D




Much of a difference in what regards?

Much of a different taste in the smoke. I toast my cigars and don't draw on them to light them though so not a lot of "acrid" smoke flows through the stick. Supposedly this method makes the first couple draws less harsh but I didn't notice it much when I did it.