Open Box Cellar Storage

[mosesbotbol]

Anyone here store an open box in their cellar? My cellar is primarily for wine storage, but I thought why not throw any open box and see how it goes?

I was down to two Monte No 2's left in a box and brought it into the cellar. Added two SP Belicoso & two JL No. 2's to see how they smoke at lower storage temp, but higher humidity. My cabinet is at 65% RH. Figure if this is a failure, the impact is 6 cigars at best...

I keep plenty of sealed boxes in my cellar, but not non-sealed.

Current setting this morning:

https://i.postimg.cc/L8KfV4L4/unnamed.jpg

[icehog3]

Following.

[hotreds]

Is it in a sealed container? I'd be afraid of bugs getting in an open box. Don't think I 'down want much above 75% humidity.

[mosesbotbol]

Is it in a sealed container? I'd be afraid of bugs getting in an open box. Don't think I 'down want much above 75% humidity.

No, they are not a sealed box. I am not worried about bugs. Too humid? Yes, that is a concern, but curious how a lower temperature plays into the actual humidity.

How long should I wait until trying the first cigar? Two weeks? A month?

[icehog3]

I'd say why not give it a month? They should definitely have acclimated to their new digs by then. :2

[markem]

I agree with Tom about time, Moses. I, too, am following this thread. I assume that you have a finished basement? Sounds like it anyway.

I love these experiments. They so enrich our knowledge of our hobby. Thank you for doing this.

[Havanaaddict]

Low temp I would not worry about at all. I used to run my 7' Vinotemp cabinet at 55 temp for all my boxes sealed and open. But I ran the humidity in the low 60's even the high 50's. I have found 70% RH + all I get is tight bitter cigars. But this was in a cabinet you may get a different result cellar I will be fallowing this also!

[mosesbotbol]

...I assume that you have a finished basement? Sounds like it anyway.

No, the basement is with bare concrete on purpose to hold the humidity better

https://i.postimg.cc/zfwBpx4x/culatello-2020-v2.jpg

This years Culatello's.

[mosesbotbol]

I'd say why not give it a month? They should definitely have acclimated to their new digs by then. :2

Ok, I'll report back in a month, but if I have one earlier I will update as well.

[Havanaaddict]

:O you just need some cheese and crackers and we can Quarantine in there for a few years!!!

[mosesbotbol]

:O you just need some cheese and crackers and we can Quarantine in there for a few years!!!

This is a better view -(P

https://i.postimg.cc/TYNKtr6n/basement-pano.jpg

[gomeitsmybday]

Wowwww Moses good for you man, that is one hell of a cellar :tu

[Wharf Rat]

No, they are not a sealed box. I am not worried about bugs. Too humid? Yes, that is a concern, but curious how a lower temperature plays into the actual humidity.

How long should I wait until trying the first cigar? Two weeks? A month?

The absolute humidity (same as concentration) has a nonlinear relationship with temperature and relative humidity. You can google it. Back during the cigar boom, there were constant flame wars over whether absolute or relative humidity was more important. It was largely agreed that the relative humidity was the key. People who make their living selling cigars or other agricultural products all use RH.

Geez, I hope we haven’t started the wars again!

[mosesbotbol]

The absolute humidity (same as concentration) has a nonlinear relationship with temperature and relative humidity. You can google it. Back during the cigar boom, there were constant flame wars over whether absolute or relative humidity was more important. It was largely agreed that the relative humidity was the key. People who make their living selling cigars or other agricultural products all use RH.

Geez, I hope we haven’t started the wars again!

My thought on doing this was I know of old timers who kept their cigars in their wine cellars, so why not give it a try? Could there be some flora that effects the cigars in the cellar? Maybe. The culatello's are inoculated with a starter culture. I don't mind a touch of mold on cigars.

I am very familiar with the cigars I put in the cellar. I have plenty of SP and JL's from the same cab's in my cabinet to compare.

[hotreds]

Anybody with a Corgi is A-OK in my book!

[Havanaaddict]

This is a better view -(P

https://i.postimg.cc/TYNKtr6n/basement-pano.jpg

Like wine and port much:r WOW

[Weelok]

My thought on doing this was I know of old timers who kept their cigars in their wine cellars, so why not give it a try? Could there be some flora that effects the cigars in the cellar? Maybe. The culatello's are inoculated with a starter culture. I don't mind a touch of mold on cigars.

I am very familiar with the cigars I put in the cellar. I have plenty of SP and JL's from the same cab's in my cabinet to compare.

Gosh damn, that is my kind of dream cave. Your missing some Scotch and Whisky but I will assume that’s in your Spirits Attic :)

Some damn nice Port there!!!!!! Love a nice Port and cigar. Well, I love most anything and a cigar.

[Scottw]

I kept all my humidors with sealed and unsealed boxes in my cellar for 10 year with no humidification devices at all. The RH was always 63-65. Never a single problem

[icehog3]

PARTY AT MOSES'!! :r

[hotreds]

ONE HELLUVA PARTY AT MOSES'!! :r

fixed it

[mosesbotbol]

If we were in the clear, I would invite anyone from this forum for a cigar and port. Maybe not all at once though.

[357]

If we were in the clear, I would invite anyone from this forum for a cigar and port. Maybe not all at once though.

We need to make this a sticky post. :r

[icehog3]

We need to make this a sticky post. :r

Get all of us in there with all that port, it definitely will get sticky. -(P

[retired]

if boogaloo happens; I know where I'm headed !

[357]

Moses, we need an update!

[mosesbotbol]

Moses, we need an update!

The cigars were fine. Maybe a touch of mustiness, but no real concerns. My cellar can get quite humid; a little above 70%. I smoked all the cigars I had used for experiment and did not replenish.

I am at ease on storing sealed boxes in the basement now, but price they way they are; ain't buying so much...

[T.G]

This years Culatello's.


Mmmmm.....

Meat infused cigars. Jon Drew has nothing on you.

[357]

Thanks Moses. I was curious because my basement was rock solid between 60-68 RH. I kept my humidor there with no water/solution/beads for 5 of the 6 years I lived there. I was wondering if it worked at higher RH levels.

[mosesbotbol]

Thanks Moses. I was curious because my basement was rock solid between 60-68 RH. I kept my humidor there with no water/solution/beads for 5 of the 6 years I lived there. I was wondering if it worked at higher RH levels.

It does. I humidify the basement 2/3's the year due to the wine and cured meats. Currently no meat, but the wine needs the humidity.